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Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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Not only did Alabama lose, but the team that beat them by double digits in Birmingham, Texas, also lost. Maybe the committee should stick to...
"Proposed Selection Process:
Establish a selection committee that will be instructed to place an emphasis on winning conference championships, strength of schedule and head‐to‐head competition when comparing teams with similar records and pedigree (treat final determination like a tie‐breaker; apply specific guidelines).
The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non‐champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non‐champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
Championships won
Strength of schedule
Head‐to‐head competition (if it occurred)
Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)"
*This is not a pro FSU post, they just happen to be the team that it happened to this year.
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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Jan 2, 2024, 9:30 AM
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Oregon better than Bama, UGA, and FSU.
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Teams that don't lose and in a power five conference should be ranked above...
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those who do, period.
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As soon as Bama upset UGa in the SECCG, somebody was going to get shafted...
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Since there was NO WAY the committee was going to keep the $EC champion out of the CFP, Texas got-in by default as a result of beating Bama earlier in the season. That effectively left FSU and Georgia on the outside looking in.
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what he said***
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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Jan 5, 2024, 1:53 PM
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Nick Saban is such a cry baby. He would have whined like FSU if he hadn't been picked. He is 72 years old, and his National title days are over. No coach has ever won a Natty beyond 69 (Bobby Bowden is
the oldest) in NCAA Football history, and that's why I knew he wouldn't win this year. Give it another 2-3 years of not reaching the promised land, and the Alabama faithful will moaning: "he needs to go"
and hire a younger HC to succeed him. His arrogance will make him stick around, like the old "punch drunk' boxer who says "I still got it in me". He is the GOAT of College Football coaching with 7 Nat'l titles, but the glory years have passed, and he needs to pass the baton over. You can't rule forever.
No man can in this life.
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Good post.
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Jan 2, 2024, 9:33 AM
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I think that the FSU response to being left out was on point.
I don't think it's the committee's job to become prognosticators to predict how a team will play without a player. Actual data should be used - ie season and championship playing results.
It is ridiculous that FSU was left out in my opinion.
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Re: Good post.
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Jan 2, 2024, 12:05 PM
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You know darn well that if Alabama had won their last three games with their second and third string quarterbacks ESPN (and by extension, the committee) would have talked about how great Alabama was for being able to win without their star quarterback. Two teams were gonna get screwed over and that gave them the excuse they needed to make FSU one of them. I’m sure they wanted to get Georgia in but they just couldn’t be that obvious with the SEC bias.
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Re: Good post.
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Jan 2, 2024, 12:37 PM
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The only good thing that transpired was that they were forced to sacrifice one of their golden boy SEC teams. I think they knew screwing Texas to put UGA in also would have meant having to go into the witness protection program.
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I love you guys and admire how you want to buck the CFB establishment but
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the committee had data. FSU’s QB play was horrendous against a horrible UF team and a UL team that had just lost to KY. As much as I would like to join you guys in trashing their decision they got it right by leaving FSU out.
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1) I'm not trying to buck the establishment...
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Jan 2, 2024, 3:43 PM
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I think the committee has historically done an excellent job choosing the 4 teams. I typically side with establishment in situations like this.
2) The issue is not the QBR. The issue is not Alabama. The issue is not FSU.
The issue is the committee decided to put more weight on an area of emphasis designed to be used when comparing teams with similar record and pedigree. Team A was an undefeated Power 5 program, Team B was a 1 loss Power 5 program. Had the two been equal, then you would start down the list of criteria to be considered...
1) Championships won
2) Strength of schedule
3) Head to head
4) Comparative outcomes of common opponents
Tab 2
5) Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players/coaches.
The committee is not tasked, in my opinion, to go down the list of criteria for teams with dissimilar records then arbitrarily put more weigh on the last criteria listed which is not found on the main page but must be found under tab 2 "Principles".
Because the two did not start out as equals, the list should not have had nearly as much weight placed on it, especially the last criteria, designed to separate otherwise similar/equal programs.
Ask yourself two questions...
1) If FSU was good enough to be in the top 4 for several weeks with their starting QB out, why was their starting QB being out the reason they were no longer good enough the final week?
2) If Alabama had won their final 2-3 games with a backup QB, would they have been left out?
Again, it's moot. Alabama lost and FSU would probably have lost, but that's why the games are played, and Team A should have had that opportunity.
PS: I dislike FSU, and really dislike Norvell, so the way it went down is a win for me. But I still don't like the way the committee handled it.
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Fair enough. Clearly they moved the goalposts
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Jan 2, 2024, 3:59 PM
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to make room for common sense in their decision to exclude FSU. They sucked without Travis. As far as Alabama goes…probably not a top 4 team. Who cares? The decision left UGA out. Personally I have never really been concerned with top four when a playoff is designed to give us a champion. I don’t think the current playoff system has ever failed to do give us a true champion. People argue over who the top 4 were every year. I don’t care as long as we got the best one. This year there is no doubt in my mind that will happen again. Personally I have nothing to complain about or question as long as that happens.
Still can’t figure out why so many Tiger fans care though. We never got left out when we deserved to be there. Norvell cancelled a game on us. He hired a team full of mercenaries that we should have beat. And last but not least nothing that happened this year will ever affect us if we are an undefeated conference champ. We will no doubt make the top 12 and have a chance to prove anyone who thinks we aren’t good enough wrong just like we did for several years when people bemoaned our schedule and claimed we were not a playoff team.
Go Tigers
I personally don’t have any empathy for what happened to FSU under Norvell this year.
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I think we are on the same page here...
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Jan 2, 2024, 4:23 PM
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and you summarized it nicely by saying they moved the goalposts... That's really the bottom line.
I'm pretty happy about the way it all went down as a result. Both Alabama and Texas lost. No "I told you so's" there. FSU got demolished. No "I told you so's" as a result of the FSU/UGA score as FSU lost 25+ players. The pitfalls of the portal were exposed. The best two teams still have a shot at winning it all. It's a win all the way around.
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Go Tigers!***
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Re: I think we are on the same page here...
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Where will the goalposts move next?
This, “The rules are whatever we say the rules are”, leads eventually to revolution.
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Re: I love you guys and admire how you want to buck the CFB establishment but
Jan 2, 2024, 7:07 PM
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The best data they had was the win loss record over 13 games with a major conference schedule, but they conveniently chose not to use the most unambiguous data available for ESPN
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Re: Good post.
Jan 2, 2024, 8:11 PM
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The ACCCG was FSU’s undoing.
Just like the SECCG cost UGA, who is still probably the best team in the country.
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But if it were the SEC champ that won their CCG 16-7 with no offense,
Jan 2, 2024, 9:58 PM
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the media would be raving about how their fabulous defense rose to the occasion, to lead the team to victory! That's how the SEC bias comes into play!
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Couldn't find the "eye test" criterion or the "injured player" disqualifier
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You sure you linked to the correct selection process?
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Re: Couldn't find the "eye test" criterion or the "injured player" disqualifier
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The availability of players, coaches, etc is in the guidelines. As a TIE BREAKER when looking at teams with “similar record and pedigree.” So FSU had the same pedigree (Power Five) as the others. But they had a BETTER record. The tie breaker shouldn’t have been in play vs the 1-loss teams.
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I am certain they are the worst at running up the middle in OT
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with the game on the line.
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Almost looked like he slipped.
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Anyway, horrible play.
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I think the Committee obviously didnt pay attention to what Morehead St
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Did as a bottom seed in the NIT going to a Power 5 one seed at home and winning. If so, FSU would have been beaten by Washington last night.
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No UGA choked&by popular belief, Conference Champs are better than nonconfchamp
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Glad Georgia can't 3peat. But I strongly believe that they would have 3 peated given the chance.
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Re: No UGA choked&by popular belief, Conference Champs are better than nonconfchamp
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Glad Georgia can't 3peat. But I strongly believe that they would have 3 peated given the chance.
They were given the chance and blew it in the quarter finals.
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Re: No UGA choked&by popular belief, Conference Champs are better than nonconfchamp
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I don't know why some people can't understand that winning and losing matters.
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Re: No UGA choked&by popular belief, Conference Champs are better than nonconfchamp
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Winning definitely matters. The committee has declared, “Win and you’re OUT”.
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FSU was punished for having a 43.8 QBR against UF
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and an 11.7 QBR against Louisville.
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Yeah, I don't know how anybody watched the ACCCG and still wants to make a
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case for FSU
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The 12 team playoffs will take care of all of this...***
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The 12 team playoff will take care of ESPN...
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not college football. It protects TV ratings.
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Re: The 12 team playoffs will take care of all of this...***
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Unless a committee decides to move the goalposts again. Keep in mind, they’ve already set a precedent for moving the goalposts, to anywhere they like anytime they like.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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The root cause of the issue is letting humans (with network input no doubt) decide who should be in the playoffs instead a system (like the NFL, NBA or MLB) where the playoff participants are decided on the field based on the actual W/L records of the teams.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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Great post Francis Marion
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Wow, I think that's the first time that has ever been said.***
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 2, 2024, 10:44 AM
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Maybe just vocally.
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Nobody knows. Nobody can know.
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That's the problem. Determining who's "best" by convincing judges should not be the goal. The goal should be to win a championship by a process of elimination, by winning on the field, just like in pretty much every other major sport, both college and professional.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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Remember the Auburn game? Alabama needed 2 miracles in the last few minutes to beat Auburn.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 2, 2024, 12:07 PM
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They were top 5. Florida State was maybe top 10....maybe.
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As determined by?***
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Probably not but we go to 12 teams next year.
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That will greatly increase the likelihood that the committee gets the best four in the playoff next year. People still won’t be happy but that’s how it goes.
We will get an undefeated undisputed national champion this year. I would say things worked out just fine. HTH
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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The committee needs people like you.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 3, 2024, 6:21 AM
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you tell ‘em BBO, slurp slurp
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You're right, UGA should have gotten in***
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 2, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Better than FSU.How could committee possibly put UGA in over them? I think UGA should have been in Texas spot.
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They had to put Texas in...
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because of the head to head over comparable Alabama. Alabama was also a one loss conference champion. The odd thing is that they seemingly followed the list of criteria in this situation, but jumped around in the case of Texas/Alabama vs FSU.
As we mentioned above, it's moot, it just seems odd.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 2, 2024, 7:12 PM
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The committee got it right and last nights semis confirmed this.
FSU was way overrated.
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How does last night's semis confirm anything about FSU?
Jan 2, 2024, 10:08 PM
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And how was FSU way overrated? Because they won some really close games? Sort of like Bama, eh? But the only way the SEC was getting left out was if Bama and UGA both had two losses! And some would have still tried to find a way to get their CCG winner in! Remember about four years ago, when Herbie was pimping for a two loss UGA to get in over o couple of one loss conference champs!
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Re: How does last night's semis confirm anything about FSU?
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It confirms what we already knew...they can't be counted on when the chips were down...one covid case and fly back home...political gesture with W T...they may not be invited to the toilet bowl next year and what conference wants a sue happy welcher...that's what we learned about Florida State Women's Teachers College!
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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The best teams in the country in 2023, 99 nights out of 100, were:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Washington
4. Texas
5. Oregon
6. Ohio State
7. Alabama
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9. Ole Miss
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11 Florida State (maybe)
Oregon suffered by having to play Washington twice.
Alabama should have finished the season 8-4.
Georgia needed to win one game to prove it belonged, but couldn't.
I'm rooting for Washington just so the cheaters don't get a trophy.
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Since Bama should've been 8-4, shouldn't they be lower than 7th?
Jan 2, 2024, 10:14 PM
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And you still have UGA #1, in spite of losing to said Bama team, and trailing the coots at the half?
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Re: Since Bama should've been 8-4, shouldn't they be lower than 7th?
Jan 2, 2024, 10:56 PM
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Georgia should have beaten an Alabama team that plays most opponents tough.
Georgia did beat South Carolina. Halftime score only matters to the quitters.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 2, 2024, 10:58 PM
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Yes, Alabama was and is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 3, 2024, 5:53 AM
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Maybe...hard to tell with aa dysfunctional QB...Georgia sure made them look that good...Texas was trashy...could have beaten Washington running the ball, but had no continuity...Evers was beaten multiple times by Klubnickers...Dabo needs to put CK in the weight room...his panties are showing...he has grit but needs more bulk...he matured a lot the last quarter vs Kentuck! We were so close but still need a downfield passing option...we still don't stretch the field...if washy wins the natty it will be 30 to 50 yds that beats Michigan!
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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Jan 3, 2024, 6:28 AM
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We just witnessed the best 2 non Clemson semifinals ever. And people are still simping for FSU. I’d say in hindsight, the committee hit it out of the park.
The only team that you could argue over is jawja. Who by the eye test, arguably was the best team in the nation.
In those 13 wins, who did FSU beat? LSU? 3 loss team. Us? Our worst team in a decade and a half. And they were outclassed by Clemson everywhere but the scoreboard.
Thank the heavens we didn’t have to suffer through Michigan bludgeoning FSU.
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I dont think you understand the point of the post.***
Jan 3, 2024, 6:41 AM
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Re: I dont think you understand the point of the post.***
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Jan 3, 2024, 7:39 AM
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I think the right teams were chosen. It’s a shame there was no place for Georgia. But they didn’t have their A game when it mattered. That was an incredible day of college football. I’m very happy with it.
12 teams will be even better
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I can't imagine anybody whining about an obviously diminished FSU missing
Jan 3, 2024, 3:39 PM
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the playoffs after watching those Semis
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Would Bama have beaten FSU?
Jan 5, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Consider that FSU would have lost to Clemson had we a FG kicker and something to remove the grease from our QB's and RBs' hands.
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Unfortunately, that is not the criteria.***
Jan 5, 2024, 3:07 PM
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 5, 2024, 7:32 PM
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Yes they beat Georgia who put a 60 spot on the ACC quitters champion...thenonly real question is about Washington who can throw deep and expand the whole field... Texas got curb stomped by the Okies who got beat by consolidated girl scout troups...Texas would have still beaten the FSWTC by 3 scores! Michigan has good defensive backfield...would not bet against Harbaugh...pac 2 had unusually poor defense teams this year!
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Didnt Texas beat Alabama. By 10. In Tuscaloosa.***
Jan 5, 2024, 7:42 PM
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 5, 2024, 8:43 PM
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Yes, Alabama WAS unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country in 2023.
This thread is officially over.
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You cant stop this thread.***
Jan 6, 2024, 6:28 AM
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
Jan 6, 2024, 6:58 AM
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Did any team really look “great” this year? Penix jr’s arm was the only great thing I’ve seen. For me, this pay for play stuff is just muddying up college football And making teams all look average.
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Re: Was Alabama unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country?
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Jan 6, 2024, 7:38 AM
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“Did any team really look “great” this year? Penix jr’s arm was the only great thing I’ve seen.”
100% agree
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They were gonna put the SEC champ in regardless of record
Jan 6, 2024, 9:38 AM
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That’s what just about every pundit said prior to. They created that playoff for the SEC. ESPN and Sec are one in the same. It’s just the way it works.
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Both playoff games great games (finally)
Jan 6, 2024, 10:42 AM
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Decided by one play / turning point at end of game, can't beat that. What else did you want? Another blowout. Committee got it right with room to spare. Imagine your fave FSU (I assume) being in that game with Michigan. Would've maybe been an embarrassment. Only thing is, Georgia probably shoulda' been in, but there were only four spots to fit about 6 really good teams.
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