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TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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The pruning has begun. I wish him well.***
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:52 PM
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He looked promising when he first got here, but seemed to peak early. Hope he finds the right spot for himself. Glad we're actively looking to upgrade through the portal as well.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:55 PM
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He got his degree and gave us his best 4 years so I wish him nothing but the best.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:57 PM
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Thanks for your time and effort. We wish you the best. Go Tigers.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:58 PM
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I knew he was highly ranked but had no idea he was the 14th rated player by ESPN coming out of high school. Good luck Mitchell. You're Clemson degree will take you far in itself
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 6:14 PM
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This screams coaching failures not lack of athletic ability
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Yet another example of lack of player development.***
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Nov 29, 2023, 6:56 PM
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You would know all about underperforming
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:35 PM
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You are the biggest fan of underperforming on this site.
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Brad knows how to develop players. Dabo doesnt.
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:41 PM
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Sorry, I know that’s not what you want to hear. But we’ve had a lot of football players not reach their potential.
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Whatever
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:44 PM
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You're so myopic you can't see your hand in front of your face.
Dabo has a few misses, for sure. But he has exponentially more hits -- and guys who come out of nowhere to be big contributors.
But you'll never face actual facts. They don't fit your narrative.
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Im sorry JK but using the portal is not developing
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your own players. The portal is a lot of times licking the icing off somebody else’s cake. Brad has done a relatively good job of using the portal. Especially this year! But again, the portal is the absolute furthest thing from developing your own players through your program.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Yet another example of lack of player development.***
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Yet another example of judge taking shots at the football program while ignoring all the deficiencies of our basketball program over the years. Never one negative thing about basketball but nit pic football.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:49 PM
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Same thoughts I had. Do we not have the highest accumulation of star rated talent on our Oline than ever before? I thought I read that somewhere early in the season. I have always felt that Clemson has lacked the superstar oline coach compared to other top 10 programs. We just have repeated oline issues year after year. Tbe excuses of injury and youth are common. Eventually it looks like we suck at developing O-Lineman .
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 30, 2023, 1:41 AM
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Sometimes things just don't work out. Could have been a beast in HS against smaller players, but at the major college level, those advantages go away as you are playing against people your own size but faster. It happens.
Maybe a change of scenery will do him good.
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Good luck going forward!
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:59 PM
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Unless you transfer to the University of Second Choice.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 9:20 PM
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We should jump on this guy, I hear he's pretty good,
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#2 OT with 5 starts in 4 years?
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Nov 29, 2023, 3:36 PM
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Not a problem with player development at all. Austin is a joke. Dabo needs to go ahead and get the uhauls reserved up for Austin and Grisham while he’s got some time in the office before recruiting reopens
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Re: #2 OT with 5 starts in 4 years?
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:59 PM
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If development of an O-Lineman was a problem, then Paul Howard and Tristan Leigh would be end of the bench players.
Neither were worthy of playing time when first arriving at Clemson. Now, one is a key backup and might win the starting job at center next year; the other looks like a fixture at LT.
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Re: #2 OT with 5 starts in 4 years?
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:55 PM
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Being a “key backup” or almost starter on a dreadfully sub par O line is not really high praise
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Re: #2 OT with 5 starts in 4 years?
Nov 30, 2023, 9:06 AM
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My thoughts, too.
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Re: #2 OT with 5 starts in 4 years?
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Nov 29, 2023, 10:51 PM
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Personally I’m not ready to give Spiller the boot. Since TL left we’ve had no deep threat and a very poor OL, teams have been stacking the box on us basically knowing we aren’t going to beat them deep. It’s hard to make your backs look good when the D knows it’s a bubble screen or off tackle run
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Re: #2 OT with 5 starts in 4 years?
Nov 30, 2023, 11:00 AM
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Austin still has a lot to prove, but it's a bigger indictment on ESPN's recruiting gurus.
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Re: #2 OT with 5 starts in 4 years?
Nov 30, 2023, 11:17 AM
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Agree that ESPN and all the services miss the mark on star rankings a good bit. But Austin has had enough time to prove he’s not ready for the job and it’s time for us to move on
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 3:40 PM
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Peaked early? Or had more upside and potential? Was it him or the ability to coach him up? Would like to know season end grades on all offensive linemen.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:21 PM
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He never peaked. He only saw the field in limited mop duty until this year. Same with Bryn Tucker, Leigh, ... the list goes on. All highly rated. Hard to say that many college recruiters that recruited them all missed on evaluating them.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:01 PM
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You must have missed watching the final four games of this season.
Tristan Leigh started each of those games at LT. He played well enough to be our starter in the upcoming bowl game; he’s the likely starter at LT for the 2024 season.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 3:46 PM
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Congratulations to him for getting his degree and I appreciate all the time and hard work he put in. Best of luck in the future!
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:22 PM
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Absolutely, hope he crushes it wherever he goes.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:40 PM
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Wonder what Kirby & his OL
coach woulda done with these highly recruited Clemson Linemen ?
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Wait, he jumped offsides***
Nov 29, 2023, 4:42 PM
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Under achieving or Under coached???
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:44 PM
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Just another in a long line of woulda, coulda, shoulda at Clemson OLU...
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Re: Under achieving or Under coached???
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Nov 29, 2023, 5:07 PM
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As per response to another poster on this thread, our OL coach isn’t the problem here.
Paul Howard and Tristan Leigh were, upon arriving on campus, totally inadequate for playing CFB.
Now, P.Howard is the likely starter for next year at Center, and T.Leigh, after earning his way to the starter at LT, is certain to start the bowl game as starting LT and the odds-on favorite to be our starting LT for the 2024 season.
Best of luck to Mitchell Mayes. He was a fine player for us and would have remained as a key reserve for us had he stayed for the 2024 season. I hope he starts for his next team and has a great year.
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Tristan Leigh was highly coveted, #27 OL in 2021
Nov 29, 2023, 5:15 PM
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Oklahoma wanted him
Why do you say he was not adequate for cfb ??
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Graduate. Good for him. Best of luck.***
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Mays had a pretty wide range of rankings depending on what service you looked at
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Nov 29, 2023, 4:48 PM
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coming out of HS.
ESPN had him as the #2 OT and 14 overall, while 247 had him as a 3-star, 21st in the state of NC and the 34th-ranked Offensive Guard.
You don't usually see services differ that much on a player, and, sadly, I think ESPN missed the mark here.
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I agree with you, ESPN missed the mark***
Nov 29, 2023, 5:02 PM
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Re: Mays had a pretty wide range of rankings depending on what service you looked at
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To be fair, all of the recruiting services whiff frequently in OL prospects.
This goes for both over rating and under rating. I can’t imagine that ever changing. What matters is how well the coaches evaluate OL prospects.
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True, recruiting services miss many OL, but Alabama and Oklahoma
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do not seem to miss much with OL. Other than putting a lot of lineman in the NFL which is a pretty big deal obviously lol
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
Nov 29, 2023, 5:35 PM
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Good luck in the future Mitchell. I might be wrong but I thought Clemson was struggling to recruit offensive lineman or should I say getting good offensive linemen to committ.
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What is sad is he would've thrived at a program that actually develops OL
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I just so wish Dabo would hire someone that knows what they are doing for that position along with WR room. I can't thank Mayes enough for what he did for this university! Best of luck big guy!! GO TIGERS!!
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Best to you Mr. Mayes. Always a Tiger!***
Nov 29, 2023, 6:02 PM
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I have the confused
Nov 29, 2023, 6:04 PM
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Doesn’t this departure put the team at 10 returning offensive linemen when 15 are needed? Will any of the guys from the gotten from the portal be better than Mayes? Could new found NIL money keep him on campus? Please make it make sense. TIA
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Re: I have the confused
Nov 29, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Sorry about the wording on my second question…
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
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A Clemson man forever! Best wishes to you from a fellow alumnus and thank you for picking Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
Nov 29, 2023, 7:42 PM
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Wish Mayes well. I hope he finds a better spot. However, he is example #1 of a player who has finished up his academics and the staff must move on to another scholarship player. I’m certain that’s the message he received. In the past Dabo may have allowed him another year taking grad classes but those days have to come to an end.
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Re: TNET: Clemson lineman enters transfer portal
Nov 30, 2023, 7:29 AM
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It just feels like this magnifies the issues in out O-line room. I don't claim to know the solution or problem but we can't recruit O-linemen and we can't seem to develop the ones we get, and now they are exiting via the portal... It really feels like there's some major issues that need to be addressed at the coaching level, but then again, I don't have a clue. I'm just a fan.
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