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Rock Defender [54]
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If we joining the Big 12 I hope we do so with the condition
May 25, 2012, 5:28 PM
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that they say screw you to the NAACP and allow conference championships in South Carolina. They'd turn a profit on the baseball tourney if held in G'ville, Clemson, Charleston, Rock Hill, or Myrtle Beach.
Would be nice seeing a basketball tourney in SC too. Either the Bi-Lo Center or the North Charleston Coliseum.
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Re: If we joining the Big 12 I hope we do so with the condition
May 25, 2012, 5:33 PM
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I seriously doubt that will ever happen
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Rock Defender [54]
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Doesn't the SEC ignore the boycott? I know the Southern Conf
May 25, 2012, 5:44 PM
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ignores it because they have had the Southern Conference baseball tourney in Charleston recently and this year it's in Greenville. Each conference can do as they please. The ACC has used it as an excuse to screw Clemson.
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All-American [576]
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Re: Doesn't the SEC ignore the boycott? I know the Southern Conf
May 25, 2012, 5:58 PM
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I'm not talking about the NAACP. The Big 12 would not have any tourny or championship game in South Carolina (maybe baseball, but doubtful).
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Rock Defender [54]
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You don't know that, that's pure speculation, esp if they go
May 25, 2012, 6:05 PM
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to 14 or 16 teams with East/West divisions.
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CU Guru [1895]
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How dare he counter your speculation with more speculation.***
May 25, 2012, 6:07 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Not at all, I'm offering a very possible scenario based on
May 25, 2012, 6:10 PM
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14 or 16 teams with East/West divisions. To then say "that will never happen" is pure speculation. What I'm proposing is a logical hypothetical given certain assumptions. Saying it has zero chance is pure speculation. Huge difference.
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CU Guru [1895]
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Re: Not at all, I'm offering a very possible scenario based on
May 25, 2012, 6:15 PM
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Considering the Big XII has 10 teams and 9 of those are in Tx, KS, OK, IA. His speculation is no less realistic or logical than yours.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Not if they add 6 teams from the east/south east which is
May 25, 2012, 6:20 PM
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what many are predicting. Given that scenario, which is part of my hypothetical, then it is very possible.
People said FSU & Miami would never join the ACC.
People said USC would never join the SEC, get Holtz, or Spurrier.
People say "never" every day and get proven wrong.
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CU Guru [1895]
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Words like "predicting" and "scenario" infer speculation***
May 25, 2012, 6:36 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Of course, no doubt, but offering a scenario that is being
May 25, 2012, 6:46 PM
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talked about as very possible by many (Big 12 adds 6 teams from the south/south east) and looking at something positive resulting from that, which is very possible given the scenario postulated by others, is nowhere near the same thing as saying "that will never ever happen". If you can't see the difference then I'm done because I'd be debating with an ignorant person, or someone that simply wants to be right despite the reality of the scenario.
You know, it's interesting how folks love to call me a coot, a clemson hater, a sad negative person, etc., yet when I post something very pro clemson, something positive, people want to dismiss it instantly despite how real the scenario could be. Yeap, I'm a negative coot and clemson hater! **rolls eyes**
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Re: You don't know that, that's pure speculation, esp if they go
May 25, 2012, 6:22 PM
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Like I said..maybe baseball but not basketball or football.
Lets break it down:
Baseball: Stand a good chance. South Carolina has some nice minor league parks along with nice weather at this time of year. Lately, the Big 12 tourny has been in OKC and it has done well. This is a sport that the tourny could go a variety of places.
Basketball: There are plenty of arenas in between that are much nicer and bigger than the Bi-lo center or the arena in North Charleston. Most of those other arenas are in good tv market areas.
Football: Well, there isn't a stadium in the state of South Carolina that is big enough to hold the championship game. I doubt they would ever hold it on a campus at a school that is a member. The game couldn't be in ATL. b/c of the SEC championship game and it couldn't be in Charlotte because of the ACC championship game. Possible choices are Dallas, KC, and St. Louis. Possible sleeper sites: New Orleans, Tampa, Nashville, Jacksonsville, etc.
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Re: You don't know that, that's pure speculation, esp if they go
May 25, 2012, 6:50 PM
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even baseball doesn't make sense in SC. Usually conferences like to choose a more central location for tournament/championships, and when they do go towards the edge of a conference its for a big city or market, neither of which exist in SC.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Righttttt which is why the ACC baseball tourney was in
May 25, 2012, 7:02 PM
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Florida, Saint Pete no less, for several years. Guess they confused "Central Florida" with "central" in the ACC.
It's about ticket sales and SC loves baseball and the best the ACC tourney ever did was when it was in SC.
The Big 12 needs Clemson and FSU and would be willing to do some SMART things to get us!
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Rock Defender [54]
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So 1. you now admit you were wrong and baseball is a
May 25, 2012, 6:58 PM
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2. I never mentioned football, but the Georgia Dome is a possibility.
3. TV market has nothing to do with location of a basketball tourney. The fact that it's on TV means location is flexible. Location is about ticket sales and fan experience.
The Bi-Lo Center and North Charleston Coliseum are very nice facilities. Not to mention, the weather is awesome in Charleston in March and Charleston is the #1 tourist destination in America per the premiere travel magazine with the most affluent readers - Conde Nast.
After having conference tourneys in the same places for years many fans would love the opportunity for some new trips, esp to a warm place like Charleston with snow on the ground in much of Big 12 territory.
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CU Guru [1895]
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The Bi-Lo Center?***
May 25, 2012, 7:17 PM
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Re: So 1. you now admit you were wrong and baseball is a
May 25, 2012, 8:38 PM
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I never admitted I was wrong...I said maybe baseball but doubtful. I know you never mentioned football but I just threw that in for kicks. Georgia Dome? Really? Why would you want your conference game be in the same building as another conference?
The Bi-Lo Center and North Charleston Coliseum is nice but there are nicer and bigger arena's to choose from. I love Charleston and its one of my favorite places but again, I doubt they would ever bring the tourny there.
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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at this point I blame our legislature for being stubborn
May 25, 2012, 5:35 PM
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Just as much as I blame the naacp. Both for being too stubborn for my liking.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I agree it should not fly over the capital but it is history
May 25, 2012, 5:51 PM
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and the NAACP made an agreement to have it as part of a historical monument on capital grounds. They need to stick to that agreement. Besides, blacks fought for the confederacy as well. And there were free blacks in Charleston that had their own slaves. The whole thing is a farce and revisionist history. There were slaves up north too, and there are still illegal aliens and children working in sweat shops in NY. It has always been a joke and hypocrisy at its worst for the north to try and take the high moral ground on this. Most up north were not in favor of outlawing slavery nor fighting the civil war.
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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The NAACP made no such agreement
May 25, 2012, 6:48 PM
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The compromise was drawn up by black sc law makers, but was never presented to nor agreed upon by the NAACP. Therefore their boycott continued. Just want to make sure the facts are straight.
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Rock Defender [54]
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It still does't matter, most blacks don't even care. This is
May 25, 2012, 7:12 PM
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nothing but the NAACP trying to bully people and get their way because they know their days are numbered. That and it gets them attention.
http://www.savethescv.org/Boycott.htm
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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Well that's true, the whole thing is stupid all around***
May 25, 2012, 7:15 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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I mean, seriously, your boycott is in trouble when a
May 25, 2012, 7:24 PM
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conference of historically black southern schools ignores the boycott and has their conference tourney in Columbia. And when blacks are wearing rebel flag clothes and saying screw the NAACP, "I'll spend my money where I want, the NAACP didn't give me my money".
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Legend [16343]
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its not like the boycott is working anyway...
May 25, 2012, 5:36 PM
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head to atlantic beach during the bike week.you couldnt pay me enough to do it
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Rock Defender [54]
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Exactly blacks even ignore it. The only organizations that I
May 25, 2012, 5:54 PM
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know officially recognize the boycott are the ACC & NCAA.
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110%er [6875]
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NAACP = legalized racism
May 25, 2012, 5:38 PM
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Can you imagine if there was a NAAWP?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Let's be totally honest here, liberals will support blacks,
May 25, 2012, 6:03 PM
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women, gays, hispanics, muslims, atheists, martians, and pretty much anyone else that wants to have private membership organizations. But you say "white men only" or "christians only" and you instantly get labeled a racist or hate based organization.
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110%er [6875]
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Bingo.***
May 25, 2012, 7:26 PM
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I don't see the conference holding any of that stuff out
May 25, 2012, 5:44 PM
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this way unless we get more eastern teams.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Of course, with 14 or 16 teams and East/West divisions.***
May 25, 2012, 6:07 PM
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Legend [15761]
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Right on, Blue_Caddy! But it doesn't have to be
May 25, 2012, 5:51 PM
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"screw you". It can simply be a statement that the Big 12 conference is not a political conference and cannot begin to participate in political activism when it is detrimental to only one of its members institutions. It's a slippery slope that any organization would avoid. I mean...it is so simple...you'd have to be an idiot...or completely indifferent to the well-being of that member institution in order to NOT do that...right? Right? John, did I see your hand up?
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Rock Defender [54]
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LOL! Well naturally they'd need to have a PC oriented
May 25, 2012, 5:56 PM
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official press release ready to provide if asked, but the "sentiment" is "screw you".
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