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I think Leggett has done a very good job this year
May 25, 2012, 10:15 PM
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just beat FSU and if we beat GT tomorrow and FSU wins we play for ACC title. Not the most talented team but Leggett has got a lot out of these guys. Please stay out of this thread bluecootie, don't need to read your same crap you spew everyday. We get it you Hate Clemson, rather you try and fool everyone not. Congrats coach and Tigers
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Re: I think Leggett has done a very good job this year
May 25, 2012, 10:24 PM
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It's a young team for sure. And we have had bad luck or bad bounces all year. Love this team to be honest. I ain't smart enough to criticize coach leggett when it comes to baseball. I do wish he would recruit better in this state.
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Are we watching the same Clemson team?
May 25, 2012, 10:33 PM
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We've won 33 games. As a program we're used to atleast 40 a year. I get that we're not that talented, but thats Jacks fault for not recruiting well. Yeah, we've got a chance to win the ACC, but if we lose tomorrow or UVA wins, we're just another avg team. Thus far it hasnt been a good job. Lets wait and see how he does in the NCAAs though.
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TD all you want to. If you think Jack has don a good job
May 25, 2012, 10:41 PM
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this year then you dont remember what quality baseball looks like. If 33 wins is the standard for you then go pull for NCST and be happy with #2 and #3 seed in the NCAAs every year, with the exception of the one in seven years youre actually good.
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Re: Did you play baseball at Clemson?***
May 25, 2012, 11:48 PM
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My background was in baseball but I injured my elbow in HS and had to give it up. I actually ended up playing FB at Clemson in 05 until I injured my arm again, but it was a different injury. And no Im not Willy Korn haha
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do you coach baseball at a small college?***
May 26, 2012, 12:00 AM
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Re: do you coach baseball at a small college?***
May 26, 2012, 12:05 AM
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Yeah. Im not too broken up about not being at the D1 level yet. Im still in my mid 20s so Ive got time to move up.
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youll move up faster if you stop worrying about what
May 26, 2012, 12:07 AM
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Jack is doing and worry about your own game.
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Re: youll move up faster if you stop worrying about what
May 26, 2012, 12:10 AM
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Well since Im at the lower level my team's season is done and we're in a dead period. Plus since I played sports at Clemson, graduated from their, and Im an IPTAY member, Id say I get to worry about what Jack is doing all I want to. Somebody needs to be worried about how hes doing bc it doesnt look like he is.
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um, he just beat the #1 seed FSU
May 26, 2012, 12:18 AM
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and theres a chance we could play for the ACC title. He's also one of the winningest coaches in baseball, I think he can hold his own
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Re: um, he just beat the #1 seed FSU
May 26, 2012, 12:22 AM
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So now all you have to do is win some games against FSU and all is well? Its a 56 games regular season. This team has consistently been avg. Maybe we will win the ACC Tournament which will be huge, but Im not ready to say hes coached very good this year just bc we MIGHT play for the ACC Title.
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Lets say you have a down year at your school
May 26, 2012, 12:26 AM
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do you think you should be fired?
You say all you have to do is win games and all is well? well, yes. I mean, that is the point of playing right? would you rather have lost to FSU today? That way you could really be angry
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Re: Lets say you have a down year at your school
May 26, 2012, 12:34 AM
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Did I say Jack should be fired? I havent even said I think he hasnt coached well this year, Ive said he hasnt up to now. If he finds a way to get the most out of the team in the NCAAs and does some damage then Ive left my opinion open to change.
Look at my reply to Bryanttiger:
"Thus far it hasnt been a good job. Lets wait and see how he does in the NCAAs though."
What I said was win SOME games. For every big victory against FSU, you can pick out a terrible game. Between victories against FSU we did get swept at WF. My point is as a program we're slipping off every five year interval. If 33 wins is a VERY GOOD job, then the expectations for Jack have gone way down and everyone has forgotten what it was like to really have winning teams here.
Brady was hurt, which hasnt really hurt us though. We lost him against GT. Since then we lost to CofC 4-2. Attribute that loss to lack of hitting. We got swept by WF in a series where we scored 3 runs. Chalk that up to lack of hitting. The only game we lost where we hit okay without Brady was FSU when we lost 9-5. Even the UVA loss was 3-2, a game where our starter did extremely well.
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i was just assuming your one of the "fire jack" groupies
May 26, 2012, 12:43 AM
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and your last post looked like it said "he hasnt done a very good job this year" What team hasnt had embarassing losses?
Im not saying hes done an outstanding job coaching this year, but its not like we have a losing record
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Re: i was just assuming your one of the "fire jack" groupies
May 26, 2012, 12:48 AM
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With the budget and facilities that Clemson baseball has, not to mention the recruiting territory surrounding us, you would honestly have to try to have a losing record. Teams do have embarassing losses, but we've increased that number way too much over the last several years. This year we've lost to UAB, Maine, 2 to Western Carolina, PC, and Coastal. We got swept at home by UNC and UVA... SWEPT AT HOME! Already cited, we got swept by WF. Once again, we have a losing record in one-run games for the 4th straight year. Hes done an avg job so far. Get hot and that could change. When youre at Clemson, 40 wins is very good. Right now at 33 wins its avg.
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has he not had 40+ wins the past few years?
May 26, 2012, 1:02 AM
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we may have a good recruiting area, but keep in mind, we are also fighting other elite schools in the southeast, not to mention the state of south carolina has several really good teams, for the same recruits, and while me and you see Clemson as the best place on earth, others just dont want to come here.
UNC and UVA are both good teams, that doesnt mean we should of gotten swept, but again, they are the more talented teams.
We can go back and forth all night, but whats the point? We have different opinions and theres nothing wrong with that, to each his own right?
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Re: has he not had 40+ wins the past few years?
May 26, 2012, 1:10 AM
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The Southeast has plenty of talent to go around. As far as UVA and UNC, why have they been able to build up like they have in the past 10 yrs while we've slipped like we have. Remember that a lot of people think Clemson is the greatest place on Earth. Eveyr year its voted as one fo the top fields in baseball. Its one of the ten winningest programs in the Nationa and we're in a loaded conference. How hard should that be to recruit? I would think other programs have it harder than we do. As far as 40 wins goes, we've failed to win 40 games in the regular season plus the ACC Tournament in 6 of the last 9 years now. We used to win 40 in the regular season alone. In 5 of his first 9 years we won 50 games. Unless we go on a hot strak here shortly, we're gonna come up short of 40 wins again. Im not ready to concede that though bc I still think if you can pitch like we're capable of, you can do damage.
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from 2002-2011
May 26, 2012, 11:00 AM
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i see 8 40+ win seasons, thats 8 out of 10. including 2 50+ win seasons.
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also:
May 26, 2012, 11:03 AM
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our SOS wasnt exactly a walk in the park this year
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also you say he hasnt coached good
May 26, 2012, 12:27 AM
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look at our team, were not exactly loaded with talent. And didnt one of our star pitchers get injured early on and is still recovering?
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I am not really concerned about
May 26, 2012, 1:06 AM
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you not being D1 yet, and you are correct...you do have time to move up. But let me make a suggestion that you grow up. In your profession, I have not seen another coach constantly criticize another coach in public like you do. That is not the way to move up in your profession. You keep those things to yourself or at least off of public message boards.....they will follow you and hurt you in the long run. Don't let your reputation be made on a message board. It will come back to haunt you one day. Being in your profession, you should really know better.
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Re: I am not really concerned about
May 26, 2012, 1:12 AM
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Thats why my name isnt on here. Im a Clemson fan on these message boards. I can assure you I may bash coaches on this board, but Ive heard what coaches say to recruits, parents, etc, about other coaches too. Its not all professional.
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Re: I am not really concerned about
May 26, 2012, 1:15 AM
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Oh and Leggett had the audacity to say something inappropriate to me a couple years ago infront of some other coaches. I told him what I though about it and we really dont get along. He has said things to players before about me when I was doing a summer league. I wont say things about other coaches, but I wont bite my tongue when it comes to Jack.
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Like I said...grow up. All of this will follow you
May 26, 2012, 1:18 AM
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it is easy to figure out where you coach.
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Re: Like I said...grow up. All of this will follow you
May 26, 2012, 1:21 AM
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No its not. Im more than discreet with that. My comments shouldnt be a reflection on my school so I dont give out conference, division, state, nothing that would lead people on. Im a very easy going person when it comes to dealing with people, but Ill tell you Im not the only coach who has a huge problem with Leggett. I dont let that affect my evaluation of the baseball team though.
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Re: TD all you want to. If you think Jack has don a good job
May 25, 2012, 10:51 PM
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I only tu. besides recruiting issues we have been thrown out more stealing or advancing bases than I have ever witnessed. I think we have talent that is young and will bear fruit in the future. Been a frustrating year for sure. Or maybe I am thinking about my ten u rec team lol
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Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 10:53 PM
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and our top 3 HR hitters. We might be young, but we dont have it in our team to replace any of what we're losing. Is Kieboom even hitting .275? He may have to hit in the heart of the order next year, but thats how thin we are on hitter if he's got to hit in that spot.
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Re: Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 10:57 PM
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What makes you think Spencer will be back?
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Where would he go?***
May 25, 2012, 10:59 PM
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Re: Where would he go?***
May 25, 2012, 11:20 PM
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Defensive catchers are a hot commodity.
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Re: Where would he go?***
May 25, 2012, 11:22 PM
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If you only it .275 for your career in college, youre not gonna go high enough in the draft to leave as a JR. But youre right, he is one #### of a battery back there.
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Why worry about that now?...
May 25, 2012, 10:59 PM
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That's part of the beauty of college sports is that as people move on, other people get the opportunity to step up. Maybe somebody who's played sparingly this year plays a bigger role. Maybe one or two of the incoming freshmen play a big role. I'm just coach Leggett will figure out something before February 15.
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Re: Why worry about that now?...
May 25, 2012, 11:13 PM
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Ive just seen the "young" excuse on here so many times.
Wilkerson- SO
Brittle- JR
Shaffer- JR
Pohl- SR
Felder- SR
Kieboom- SR
McGibbon- SO
Stolz- SR
Those are the starters who arent FR. What part of that lineup is young? And in baseball, SO arent young. Theyve got over 60 games under their belts once their second season starts in mid-Feb. I know you didnt say that, but Ive seen it said on here. My point is that we cant be too young if we're gona have to replace our top HR hitters and the meat of our order.
We cant afford to rely on FR either. We really need McGibbon and Kieboom to step up and fill that 3,4 void.
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Ever heard of recruiting?
May 25, 2012, 11:02 PM
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FYI--every year you bring in new players...and someone we have never heard of will step it up...and maybe this ACC thing is Jon's breakout....Gloom and Doom....We have beaten the #1 team in the country 3 times in the last 2 weeks andall you can do is whine......
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Re: Ever heard of recruiting?
May 25, 2012, 11:07 PM
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So now we're expecting FR that we recruit and a .240 hitter to step into the biggest roles on the team? If we were recruiting well enough to fill those voids with FR, we wouldnt have to rely so heavily on FR. Im not entirely doom and gloom. Look through my post history and youll see where I think this team can still do damage bc we're subject to pitch well any given game. But to say that Jack has done a very good job this year is outside the parameters of reality.
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Wilkerson hit about 150 as a frosh
May 25, 2012, 11:12 PM
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KIds step up all the time...and who ever heard of brittle......we are Clemson and we have a good program......
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Re: Wilkerson hit about 150 as a frosh
May 25, 2012, 11:19 PM
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Brittle was a transfer so he had to RS. Stolz is having one of his worst years at the plate. Kieboom is having his worst. McGibbon looks much worse this year after showing potential last year. Pohl has fallen off from last year atleast 30 points. Im concerned about our hitting coach. Ive seen more regression with these guys than Ive seen progression. Expecting that all of these guys who are hitting below .250, which is half of our lineup, to step up next year is a little far fetched.
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Re: Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 10:58 PM
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Here u but our top hr hitters ain't got but ten at the most. Next year gonna be rough. 2013 will be better. Don't understand why we can't out recruit Columbia. Cola is a dump. Just saying. How's things going for you this year coaching wise? Pulling for u dude.
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Re: Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 11:04 PM
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Im at a lower level so we've already had our post season. We start the regular season the first week of Feb. We lost in the final game of the regional. It was my first year on the staff so I didnt understand why people were so happy with that. We went from 7 wins last year... yes 7... to 36 this year. Im at a lower level where scholarships arent equal like the D1 level. We gave out 6 scholarships this year, and we played teams who were giving our 18. Its a little unfair to say the least. We had a huge jump in offense from last year, and a lot of people were happy with our record bc of how out-matched we are, but I say the #### with that. Its not in me to settle and I believe our players have realized that they can win against great odds. Im expecting us to make the World Series next year.
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Re: Re: Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 11:09 PM
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That's awesome. Coaching matters and it matters everyday. Hardest dang game in sports. Wish u the very best. I appreciate bryantiger cause he is all in for Clemson. Very few of us on this board coach at your level and just like to give cudos when we do actually win a big game in dramatic fashion. Hopefully u will recruit my son one day lol !
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Re: Re: Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 11:21 PM
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Its an awesome thing to help these young guys. Im in my mid 20s so I can relate to the players, but a lot of them come in very immature. Its about teaching the guys work ethic and how to take pride in everything they do. I love winning dramatic games bc I know the players love it, but Id rather win by 10 haha. Better on my stress levels.
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Re: Re: Why worry about that now?...
May 25, 2012, 11:18 PM
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Our bench is young. I hear you. We haven't hit the ball consistently all year ESP in key situations and of course our runners r thrown out on an hourly basis. Also I tired of the small ball crap. We r not aggressive at the plate and watch way too many pitches.
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Re: Re: Re: Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 11:46 PM
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Here u there. We had 2 kids hit the ball last night for the first time that we have worked so hard with. It's rec so it's about teaching team, discipline, and to love the game.we pitched 9 of our 12 players this year. Only team to have that philosophy. My little man struck out 51 of 57 hitters he faced. However it is rec lol
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Re: Re: Re: Who bats 3, 4, and 5 next year? We lose our 3 and 4 hitters
May 25, 2012, 11:53 PM
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I started coaching rec when I was 15. I helped my Dad. I actually coached a couple summers ago too when my younger brothers team needed a coach, it was 15-19 Dixie Youth. It was my first coaching gig in a couple of years bc I had been so focused on school. I had to pull back my intensity level for that type atmosphere. I expect hard effort, but I dont expect much after that haha. Once I got done with classes at Clemson I pushed my HS coaching and USSSA coaching background hard to get an Asst position. It took time, but I finally found someone willing to take a chance. Protect your boys arm. Always be mindful of his pitch count and ask him how his arm feels after every inning. I hurt my arm when I was 15 and I wish every day somebody wouldve asked me and educated me on keeping a healthy arm. I finally pitched one day and blew it out.
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I agree
May 26, 2012, 12:09 AM
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And its eating some peoples insides that he won today for some reason
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