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USC V Clemson by position
Jul 5, 2012, 9:26 AM
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Not much going on so let's compare USC V Clemson by position in 2012.
WR-Clemson
OL-USC
QB-push-Taj more experience and better stats but Shaw came on strong v Florida, Clemson and Nebraska
RB-USC
DB-Clemson
LB-USC
DL-USC
kicker-Clemson
Thoughts?
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My thoughts are invalid, since I am a coot.***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:29 AM
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not particularly invalid, just annoying***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:31 AM
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No, it's invalid, definitely.***
Jul 5, 2012, 9:32 AM
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Orange Blooded [3921]
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so it's invalid. but you saying that is invalid.
Jul 5, 2012, 9:36 AM
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so that makes it simply annoying.
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The only reason I don't shoot myself
Jul 5, 2012, 9:43 AM
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Is I'm scared of guns.
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Guns don't kill people.
Jul 5, 2012, 9:44 AM
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It's the bullet
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Re: The only reason I don't shoot myself
Jul 5, 2012, 9:49 AM
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Never be affraid of the gun. Be affraid of the choice the idiot holding it makes. Guns don't kill, people do.
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So you saying it is invalid
Jul 5, 2012, 9:41 AM
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Is in fact invalid, therefore the validity of anything you say is suspect
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I would take AE over ML .... just because of the type of
Jul 5, 2012, 9:29 AM
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offense we run ... flame away
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I absolutely agree.....
Jul 5, 2012, 9:47 AM
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and AE isn't recovering from ACL surgery.
I would also take Boyd over Shaw and Clemson's LB's
Both teams will have questions on the OL.
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I can see SOS working ML like a mule this season.
Jul 20, 2014, 1:36 PM
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That many carries in the SEC has to take a toll.
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Why does it have to be 'in the SEC'... why cant it just be..
Jul 5, 2012, 10:07 AM
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that many carries. Being in the SEC is not going to make it any more taxing.
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"Those are SEC carries" Don't you watch ESecPN?
Jul 5, 2012, 10:10 AM
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They're training everyone to say there's a difference in the SEC
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Depends on the schedule really. If SC were playing
Jul 5, 2012, 10:16 AM
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LSU & Alabama say back to back, after playing say, Tenn or Florida (who really have no d), it does take its toll.
But the same could be said in any conference or any team depending on how the schedule shapes up.
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Re: Depends on the schedule really. If SC were playing
Jul 5, 2012, 12:54 PM
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You think Florida has no defense? You are delusional
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Yeah, running the ball against defenses that...
Jul 5, 2012, 1:16 PM
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are some of the finest won't make any difference at all. I ain't trying to offend you but if you think there is another conference that has better defensive lines top to bottom just name it.
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I have personal experience with knee injuries
Jul 13, 2012, 1:46 PM
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It doesn't matter how much of a freak athlete you are, once LB and Safties start diving at your knees, you don't cut as hard. Very few pro athletes come back 100% after an ACL tear in one year, it's usually the second year that your mind and you body are right.
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Re: I would take AE over ML .... just because of the type of
Jul 5, 2012, 9:55 AM
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I also agree. I would take AE above ML in any offense. ML is being used up at a rapid pace. But SC's depth at the position is slightly better.
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No he isn't-
Jul 5, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Marcus doesn't even scrimmage anymore, - and rarely took more than 10 snaps in practice.
He averaged 20.6 carries his freshman year.
He averaged 24 carries a game last season before the Miss State game in which he was injured.
Hardly numbers that come close to suggesting he's being "used up at a rapid pace"
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Wait A Minute
Jul 5, 2012, 10:24 AM
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So a 20% increase in carries per game from his freshman to his sophomre season.
Another 20% increase will put him at 28-29 carries per game.
You lost last year's prime receiver to the draft - Jeffery.
I actually would hate to see him run into the ground, particularly coming off a major knee injury, but time will tell.
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Re: Wait A Minute
Jul 5, 2012, 10:26 AM
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As a football fan- when does a 20% increase in carries from one year - automatically mean another 20% increase the next?
Be careful with your answer. There are a lot of stats out there to prove that's illogical to assume.
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Re: Wait A Minute
Jul 5, 2012, 10:29 AM
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and for one quick example of how that is illogical - you already named one player where that wasn't close to true.
Alshon Jeffery - his receptions actually went down in big, big numbers time from his 2nd year - to his 3rd- and we actually won more games.
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Re: Wait A Minute
Jul 5, 2012, 10:36 AM
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I agree that AJ numbers and production went down, but you still had to account for him on the field. He may have been slow, but he caught almost every ball thrown his way. You will miss him in a big way this year because of that.
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You have to
Jul 5, 2012, 10:45 AM
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account for every wide receiver.
Alshon was double teamed a lot - at the start of last year. But later in the year - when most considered he was having a bad year because his production went down so much- he wasn't being double teamed.
But you are changing the argument.
Country Gentleman was suggesting that since Marcus Lattimore's carries went up 20% from his freshman year to his 2nd year - then we could assume they'd continue to go up.
That's illogical - and Alshon's numbers are one - of many- examples of where it's silly to assume someone's carries (receptions) go up simply because it's one year later.
In football- it depends on a lot of other factors- not simply because a player is one year older.
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Re: You have to
Jul 5, 2012, 10:49 AM
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I also said - "time will tell" but like you usually do, you tried to make me look illogical.
Illogical is trying to spend all your time on your rival's board expecting to change people's opinions.
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It was
Jul 5, 2012, 10:52 AM
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illogical.
You used the 20% increase numbers from his 1st to 2nd year to suggest it may happen again. That doesn't make sense.
In football - a variety of factors are involved.
I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. I simply showing where that kind of reasoning is off-base.
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But you can ignore the fact that USuC lost their prime...
Jul 5, 2012, 1:22 PM
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receiver and more probable than not will run the ball more than last year?
Boy, I stayed out of the fluster cluck as long as I could.
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And even if his carries don't increase, the main thing that
Jul 5, 2012, 2:43 PM
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Should be discussed is whether he can make it throught the season after surgery on two ligaments when many backs are not the same after this surgery. And let's even use the argument of the sec defenses he will have to do it against since it is so often mentioned.
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Logically, he should be ale to handle 20-25 carries if he is
Jul 5, 2012, 2:48 PM
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The same back
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agree***
Jul 5, 2012, 10:10 PM
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Sure it is but latts injuries and rehab is much more serious***
Jul 7, 2012, 2:57 PM
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Re: Wait A Minute
Jul 7, 2012, 10:44 PM
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> I agree that AJ numbers and production went down, but
> you still had to account for him on the field. He may
> have been slow, but he caught almost every ball
> thrown his way. You will miss him in a big way this
> year because of that.
That's because "halfwit garcia" wasn't just throwing up a wing and a prayer. when aj had to create seperation he couldn't do it. Lazy and out of shape is why his numbers were down. But the coot fans won't ever admit it. That's why he dropped like a rock in the draft.
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Garcia was a top pick....
Jul 8, 2012, 10:28 AM
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in the CFL! lol.
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Personally I choose AE because he chose to be a Tiger
Jul 5, 2012, 10:30 AM
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and he has a lot of talent. I hope he recovers and has a great year.
However, ML is a special talent and I hope he recovers and has a great year too, because I think he seems like a good kid. But I hope he fails to score against Clemson again 
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Re: Wait A Minute
Jul 5, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Not necessarily, but your options are reduced by losing Jeffery.
I hope Spurrier doesn't put a saddle on Lattimore and ride him.
Although on second thought, if he does overuse him - he'll surely be headed to the NFL draft if he isn't injured again.
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Re: Wait A Minute
Jul 5, 2012, 10:34 AM
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Again- that's not necessarily true.
going into last year if someone said on here "I predict Alshon Jeffery won't even have 50 receptions and South Carolina will be better and will win more games" - they'd be laughed off the board considering he had almost 90 receptions in his sophomore year.
But that's exactly what happened.
Assuming in college football is a bad idea.
A top level running back getting 25 carries a game isn't "using up" a runningback or anything close to it.
In fact, it would be pure stupidity to have a top level runningback in a run offense and not give him 25 carries a game.
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Re: Wait A Minute
Jul 5, 2012, 10:39 AM
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Not if you have other top level talent to spread it around to. Say, the top receiving tandem in the country... Carries can go way down in that scenario.
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hmmm - what other "top level"
Jul 5, 2012, 10:42 AM
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wide receiver did we have last year when Alshon's receptions sunk - but we did better on the field?
I'd like to know his name
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His receptions went down because he was heavily covered
Jul 5, 2012, 10:46 AM
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And Shaw ran around like a deer when NOT giving it to ML or Wilds. Ellington became open when AJ was covered. It wasn't that more receiving options were available that he didn't get receptions.
I think he was referring to our team of how our receptions cna go down when we have several wide receivers to look to
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Yes- I think he
Jul 5, 2012, 10:47 AM
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was talking about something totally different than I was talking about
Country Gentleman was suggesting that since Marcus Lattimore's carries went up 20% from his freshman year to his 2nd year - then we could assume they'd continue to go up.
That's illogical - and Alshon's numbers are one - of many- examples of where it's silly to assume someone's carries (receptions) go up simply because it's one year later.
In football- it depends on a lot of other factors- not simply because a player is one year older.
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I know what you mean
Jul 5, 2012, 10:50 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised to see his numbers increase if he's healthy though. Because AJ is gone, that's one less receiver to go to when you don't want to run it. You'd run more often. Maybe since you are deep at RB, you'll rotate out more, but much like when Shaw screwed up early against ECU, Spurrier will put his golden goose out there when things get shakey
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well sure
Jul 5, 2012, 10:56 AM
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How many times did Clemson fans scream when CJ Spiller wasn't touching the ball enough? Plenty
Any coach worth a rip is going to stick to the hot handed player.
How much grief did Tommy Bowden get from Clemson fans when he didn't stick with the kid back in 2006 or whenever it was that was ramming it down our throats in the last drive- only to be standing on the sideline the last few plays as the drive fizzled (with Clemson fans actually chanting his name for him to be put back out there)
I think reason would suggest- Marcus will be brought back rather slowly unless he's just ligthing it up in practice.
Ever since Marcus arrived in COlumbia, he's not practiced a lot in actual game situations during spring ball or practice - so he can be rested. Last spring practice- he didn't even practice except for about 10% - and never srimmaged more than 3-4 plays. He was resting the entire time.
Then in two seasons he's averaged about 23 carries a game.
That's far from "used up at a rapid pace" or anything of the sort.
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