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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: This woman is worried her "pension check" might be late
Mar 1, 2013, 8:14 PM
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they kept paying the deadbeats that contribute nothing and cut defense that keeps us alive!! typical deom thinking
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All-TigerNet [10171]
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Labor unions for one...***
Mar 1, 2013, 8:16 PM
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Yet another leech on our economy.
Mar 1, 2013, 8:17 PM
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Unions
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Better than a company leech ...***
Mar 1, 2013, 8:19 PM
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All-In [34784]
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what is a company leech?***
Mar 1, 2013, 8:24 PM
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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If I had to guess, I would say it's similar to
Mar 1, 2013, 8:27 PM
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a son in-law that lives of of the father in-law.
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All-In [28802]
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Come on, ca. You're a smart guy That is not what I stated.
Mar 1, 2013, 8:45 PM
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Reading simple structured posts, such as those that I put forth, is not difficult.
However, since you brought them into it, yeah....I would say that we could very well do without the majority of those employed by our bloated government.
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Re: This woman is worried her "pension check" might be late
Mar 1, 2013, 8:20 PM
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So the govt should reneg on their contract because she is retired now?
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Re: This woman is worried her "pension check" might be late
Mar 1, 2013, 8:22 PM
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Better yet, reneg because the government is ####### broke!!!!
Why do you simpletons struggle with that fact?
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All-In [28802]
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why the hate for government workers?
Mar 1, 2013, 8:30 PM
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You can criticize their compensation, but they gotta make a living too. This kind of resentment seems no different than the "class war" rhetoric you get from the Democrats.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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I must admit that I did not click the link.
Mar 1, 2013, 8:32 PM
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Seems as though it is directed at the compensation (pension)
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All-In [28802]
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nothing inherently wrong with a pension
Mar 1, 2013, 8:35 PM
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and certainly nothing wrong with taking a pension if you're offered it. The problem with pensions is, if you're going to have them, you've actually got to fund them. In many cases, however, governments have neglected to do their due diligence.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Government cannot fund anything.
Mar 1, 2013, 8:38 PM
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It's you and me. We fund it. And, in return, who's gonna fund my pension?? Me.
I do not like funding other's pensions.
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All-In [28802]
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now you're just being difficult
Mar 1, 2013, 8:43 PM
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And that "I do not like funding other's pensions" thing is pure ressentiment. I mean, who the heck do you think funds pensions for non- government workers? It isn't the people getting pensions, unless the employees are giving money to the company they work for. Government employees get paid for services rendered just like everybody else, they're just paid from tax revenue. I think we would both agree that government should be limited, and that that means the government can't be made into a giant entitlement and employee benefits dispensing machine. But somebody just having a pension or being paid from tax revenue has nothing to do with that.
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Rock Defender [54]
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How many jobs have pensions any more?
Mar 1, 2013, 8:47 PM
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Very few..if any.
Except gov't workers. What is so special about whatthey do that they deserve that type of benefit?
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lower up front compensation, for one
Mar 1, 2013, 9:06 PM
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and, for many, the threat of being swept out with any new administration. Frankly, I'm not even arguing that anybody deserves a pension, only that resenting somebody because they get a pension is ridiculous. In fact, I think we ought to move most government employees to a defined contribution retirement plan rather than the defined benefit pension plans some currently have.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Its ridiculous if 1) all jobs in the private sectore had
Mar 1, 2013, 9:25 PM
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them, and 2) My tax money wasn't funding them.
Since neither is true, its not a "ridiculous" concept. I look at gov't wages in IT and they aren't any different than what I see in the private sector; sometimes they are even more.
Obviously I agree with you that there should be no gov't sponsored pension.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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I knew that was coming. And, since those are funded
Mar 1, 2013, 8:47 PM
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indirectly, I don't hate 'em quite as much. Still not fond of them though.
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This pretty much sums it up.
Mar 1, 2013, 8:31 PM
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“For us in the ’70s, it was about security and availability. It wasn’t the highest paid of jobs, but the pay was guaranteed and you couldn’t get laid off.”
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All-In [28802]
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so does this:
Mar 1, 2013, 8:33 PM
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“For us in the ’70s, it was about security and availability. It wasn’t the highest paid of jobs, but the pay was guaranteed and you couldn’t get laid off.”
When you work for the government, you trade the possibility for an excellent salary in return for the security of the government. But you still have to work. Some of you knuckleheads treat people that work for the government the same as people on the dole.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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LoL
Mar 1, 2013, 8:35 PM
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That won't nullify the second part of the quote. Makes 'em appear to be on the "dole".
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you aren't on the dole just because you can't be laid off
Mar 1, 2013, 8:36 PM
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You can still be fired...
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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LoL again. Yeah, those folks get fired a lot.
Mar 1, 2013, 8:39 PM
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No, not really.
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you really have no idea what you're talking about***
Mar 1, 2013, 8:44 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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So..you have been fired from the gov't?
Mar 1, 2013, 8:48 PM
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Not being able to keep your job when your boss can't get reelected isn't the same thing.
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All-In [28802]
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the legislative branch is completely different...
Mar 1, 2013, 9:01 PM
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so I won't go there. I will say that my boss retired, he didn't lose an election.
On the other hand, you can be fired from a government job just as easily as you can from any other job. The difference is that you're not getting laid off unless your department gets defunded or its funding is reduced, or if you're a political appointee.
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Rock Defender [54]
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That is correct; he didn''t run again. I am mistaken.
Mar 1, 2013, 9:17 PM
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He lost the election for county supervisor 6 months later.
Regardless, living in Charleston I've know a lot of people who have worked for the DOD in one aspect or another, and I have never met nor heard of anyone who was fired. Back when the navy yard was open, it was a joke of whatteh people who worked there got away with; they laughed about it themselves.
I know some folks now who work in IT for SPAWAR, and they laugh at me when I tell them the hours I often have to work. From this I can definitely say that at least teh IT work is harder and more stressful in the private sector, and more is expected for not much (if any) more pay..and certainly no pension is involved.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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It's the same with the DOE. SRS is a prime example.
Mar 1, 2013, 9:23 PM
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And, the TVA? What a cluster that is.
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I think that I do. Generally, you won't see me wade into
Mar 1, 2013, 8:50 PM
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stuff that I know nothing of. Thing is, you may not be nearly as smart as you think that you are.
The world's full of educated idiots. Have fun.
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has nothing to do with "being smart"
Mar 1, 2013, 9:03 PM
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and everything to do with knowing a little about government employment and budgets rather than just blindly hating on anything to do with government, including actual people and their compensation. Just to repeat, this is no different than the class war rhetoric deployed by the left.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Heh...You said budgets and government.
Mar 1, 2013, 9:07 PM
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I have dealt with the DOE enough to be very familiar with government funding. The rest of it is simple observation of the forest, from outside the trees.
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F 'em.***
Mar 1, 2013, 9:21 PM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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A lot of pensioners get checks from their former
Mar 2, 2013, 7:58 AM
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employers. Many are moving, or have moved, away from defined benefit plans, but that doesn't change the fact that many still get them.
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I know lots of older folks that receive pension checks
Mar 2, 2013, 8:05 AM
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that never worked for the govt. or unions.
Park Davis and Capsugel both had pensions for their workers yrs back.
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110%er [9107]
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Up until about 3-4 years ago Greenville Hospital
Mar 2, 2013, 8:24 AM
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System offered pensions to full time employees.
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