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SEC Out-of-Conference Schedule (INTERESTING BREAKDOWN)
Nov 18, 2012, 3:54 AM
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I'm tired of the garbage this year involving the SEC being anointed as such a superior conference to where 3 two loss teams can ridiculously be ranked ahead of us and FSU despite the SEC playing a weak out of conference schedule to date, so I decided to dig into their out-of-conference schedule and see how it stacks up against the rest of the country. This is what I found. Interesting read if you have the attention span for it. LOL
Let's start with Florida.
-beat Bowling Green 27-14.... who lost 37-0 to Va Tech.... and 27-15 to Toledo.
-beat La Lafayette 27-20..... who lost 50-27 to Ark St.... lost 30-23 to North Texas... and 65-24 to Ok St (7-3)
-beat Jacksonville ST 23-0..... who lost 51-21 to East Kentucky.
Georgia
-only out of conference games so far: Buffalo, Fla Atlantic, Ga Southern. Big f'n deal.
USuck
-Beat Wofford 24-7.... who lost 17-9 to Ga Southern.
-Beat ECU 48-10..... who lost 56-28 to Navy (7-4).... and lost 40-20 to UCF (8-3).
-Beat UAB 49-6..... who lost 46-9 to Memphis (3-8).
Vandy (7-4)
-2-1 non conference
-lost 23-13 to Northwestern (8-3)..... who beat Boston College 22-13.
-beat terrible UMass 49-7.... who lost 52-14 to West Michigan (4-8)... and Northern Illinois 63-0.
-beat Presbyterian 58-0.... who lost to Ga Tech 59-3 the week prior.
Missouri (5-6)
2-1 non conference.
-beat SE Louisiana 62-0..... who lost 70-0 to Sam Houston St.... and 52-3 to UAB.
-beat Arizona ST (6-5) 24-20
-lost to Syracuse (6-5) 31-17
-looks like no special SEC advantage here.
Tennessee (4-7)
-beat NC St 35-21. decent but not overly impressive win.
-beat Ga St 51-13.... who lost 51-7 to Maine.
-beat Troy (5-6) 55-48.... who lost by 7 points to Ark St, FAU, and LA-Lafayette.
Kentucky (2-9)
-2-2 out of conference
-lost to Louisville 32-14
-beat Kent St 47-14 (decent win)
-lost to West Ky 32-31 (LOL)
-beat Samford 34-3.... who lost 35-16 to Ga Southern.
Alabama
-beat Michigan 41-14.... who lost to Nebraska 23-9. (convincing win here)
-beat West Ky 35-0 (big deal)
-beat FAU 40-7.... who lost to La Monroe 35-14. (big deal)
-beat Western Carolina 49-0..... who got their butts whipped by everyone.
LSU
-beat North Tex 41-14.... who lost to LA-Monroe 42-16.
-beat Wash 41-3.... who lost 52-17 to Arizona (7-4)
-beat Idaho 63-14.... who lost to UNC 66-0.
-beat Townsend 38-22.... who lost to Kent St 41-21.
Texas A&M
-beat SMU 48-3.... who lost 42-17 to UCF (8-3)
-beat SC St 70-14.... who lost 56-0 to Arizona (7-4)
-beat LA-Tech 59-57.... who lost to Utah St 48-41
-beat Sam Houston St 47-28.... who lost 48-23 to Baylor (5-5)
Miss St (8-3)
-beat Jackson St 56-9..... who lost to Tenn St 38-12 (big deal)
-beat troy 30-24 who lost by more points against LA-Laf, FAU, Ark St
-beat South Bama 30-10.... who lost 31-7 vs NC St the week prior.
-beat Mid Tenn 45-3 who lost to LA-Monroe 31-17.... but did beat Ga Tech 49-28.
Ole Miss (5-6)
-beat Central Ark 49-27 (who cares)
-beat UTEP (3-8) 28-10 (big deal)
-crushed by Texas 66-31, their worst drumming of the year (with Bama 33-14; TAMU 30-27; LSU 41-35; Ga 37-10)
-beat Tulane (2-9) 39-0 who lost 45-10 to Tulsa.... lost 63-10 vs LA-Monroe.... and lost 41-13 to LA-Laf
Arkansas (4-7)
-beat Jacksonville St 47-24..... who lost to East Ky 51-21
-lost to LA-Monroe 34-31.... who lost to Ark St 45-23
-lost to Rutgers 35-26
-beat Tulsa 19-15 (Only shows the SEC is superior to Conference USA. So what)
Auburn (3-8)
-lost to Clemson 26-19
-beat LA-Monroe 31-28 in OT
-beat New Mexico St 42-7 who lost to Utah St 41-7.... and to San Jose St 47-7.
-beat Alabama A&M 51-7 who lost to Bama St 31-13.
-these wins only shows the SEC is superior to the Sunbelt, SWAC, and WAC
Outside of Bama's win over Michigan, the SEC's out of conference performance seemed like nothing special. It seemed quite average to be honest. They appeared to have beaten up on a lot of patsies, but didn't do so in a more convincing fashion.
On one hand, for the main games, you have:
- Missouri(5-6) beat a 6-5 Arizona 24-20
- Tennessee(4-7) beat a 6-5 NcSt 35-21
- Bama beat Michigan 41-14
But on the other hand you have:
- Missouri lost by 2 TDs to Syracuse (6-5)
- Vandy (7-4) lost 23-13 to Northwestern (8-3). Northwestern beat Boston College(2-9) 22-13.
- Kentucky lost to Western KY
- Ole Miss lost to Texas 66-31
- Arkansas lost to LA-Monroe 43-31
- Arkansas lost to Rutgers 35-26
- Auburn losing to Clemson
.....where as the ACC has lost some out of conference games, but look at the competition compared to the SEC's patsy out of conference schedule:
- Kansas State (Miami 52-13)
- Notre Dame (Boston College 21-6)
- Notre Dame (Wake Forest 38-0)
- Notre Dame (Miami 41-3)
- Stanford (Duke 50-13)
- Louisville (UNC 39-34)
- WVU (Maryland 31-21)
- Northwestern, 8-3 (Boston College 22-13)
- Cincinnati, 7-3 (Va Tech 27-24)
- TCU (Virginia 27-7)
- Louisiana Tech, 9-2 (Virginia 44-38)
- Penn St, 7-4 (lost to Virginia 16-17)
Then we had NCST losing to Tennessee, Maryland losing to UConn 24-20, BC losing 34-31 to ARMY, GaTech 49-28 to Mid Tenn St and 41-17 to BYU, VaTech 35-17 to Pitt.
ACC on paper looks to have a poor out of conference schedule at the moment, but we didn't face the same cream puff schedule the SEC did.
Obviously the SEC is the conference to beat, but to have 3 two loss teams ahead of us and FSU is absolutely ridiculous ATM. Hopefully we put it to USUCK and FSU handles UF to make the ridiculousness stick.
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Then compare that to Clemson....
Nov 18, 2012, 5:41 AM
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Yes, I know the ACC hasn't been spectacular this year, but that's not our fault, nor should we be penalized for it. All we could do is play our schedule and try to beat those teams worse than anyone else our opponents faced.
1. Auburn (26-19). Without Sammy and during Venables first game. More convincing of a win than score indicates. We beat Auburn better than #7 LSU did (12-10).
2. Ball St (8-3). Smacked 'em 52-27.
**Their other 2 losses:
45-43 to Kent St (10-1, #28 in BCS)
35-23 to N Illinois (10-1, #29 in BCS)
3. Furman, 41-7. Was their worst loss of the season. It would've been worse if we didn't let up before the 4th quarter.
4. FSU, 49-37. Our only loss, to a top 10 team on the road.
5. BC, 45-31 (should've been 52-31 if not for a kneel down on the 1 yard line). BC's 2nd worst loss of year behind FSU (51-7).
* Lost to #1 ranked ND (21-6).
6. Ga Tech, 47-31. 3rd worst loss of the year behind BYU (41-17) and Mid Tenn (49-28).
7. VaTech, 38-17. Worst loss of the year.
8. Wake, 42-13 (35-7 halftime).
*Lost to #1 ND 38-0 (31-0 halftime).
9. Duke, 56-20 (42-17 halftime). Worst loss of the year.
*Lost 50-13 to Stanford and 48-7 to FSU but the Cardinal & Noles were still playing hard in the 3rd quarter.
10. Maryland, 45-10 (35-7 halftime). Worst loss of year.
*Lost to WVU 31-21.
11. NCST, 62-48. 2nd worst loss of year behind Va (33-6).
*Beat FSU 17-16.
Not sure what else we can do to earn more respect outside of sticking it to the Shamecocks and leaving the BCS with no choice but to hopefully give us some. Thank goodness we play them for the last game and not some creampuff or else we'd be a screwed 11-1 team. Furthermore, it's not like we don't have great recruiting and top notch coaches that would otherwise penalize us in the manner a 10-1 small school would be, FSU either for that matter.
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Excellent stuff- can I use that tonight?***
Nov 18, 2012, 1:50 PM
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By all means. We're all Tigers, right. ;)***
Nov 18, 2012, 2:03 PM
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ATM's run in the SEC west shows how much they'be improved
Nov 18, 2012, 2:50 PM
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not that the SEC might have been over-rated. Esp the offenses.
I imagine it was a bit of both, but when La Tech scores 57 but Bama can only score 24 it out to make a point.
There is a lot more parity in College Football than the SEC'ers will admit to.
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Re: SEC Out-of-Conference Schedule (INTERESTING BREAKDOWN)
Nov 18, 2012, 1:00 PM
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Yeah, I'm bumping my own post. Sue me. LOL. I didn't spend a few hours on it to see it on page 5 just a handful of hours later. 
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Re: Re: SEC Out-of-Conference Schedule (INTERESTING BREAKDOWN)
Nov 18, 2012, 1:04 PM
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You do understand the SEC in conference schedule vs the ACC in conference schedule don't you? Break that down for everyone.
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ESPiN already has that circle jerk covered.***
Nov 18, 2012, 1:20 PM
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Re: Re: SEC Out-of-Conference Schedule (INTERESTING BREAKDOWN)
Nov 18, 2012, 2:15 PM
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Big freakin' deal. We will see how that argument looks next season when you play all the powerhouses: Vanderbilt (yawn), Kentucky (hahaha), Arkansas on the road (yikes), Tennessee on the road (uhh ohh!), Mizzou on the road (scary!), and Mississippi State (yawn).
Your tough games are at Georgia and Florida at home, but I give you Gamecocks credits for scheduling an OOC team with a pulse (UNC Chapel Hill.)
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That wasn't my point. How strong a conference is "perceived"
Nov 18, 2012, 2:23 PM
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to be doesn't mean a thing. Basically what you're arguing is, "The SEC is stronger b/c I say so; therefore the SEC deserves more leniency when it comes to losing to teams within its own conference.". That's a load of prejudicial crap. You can't fairly rank a conference and teams within it without comparing them to other conferences, and in that regard the SEC hasn't really outperformed the rest of college football enough [out-of-conference wise] to justify having 3 two loss teams ranked ahead of 2 one loss teams (Clemson & FSU) who have coaching that is equal to that of top SEC teams and are no less inferior in recruiting the past 5 years. In Fact FSU's recruiting has arguably been better than every SEC team sans Bama, and Clemson's has been superior to USuck & TAMU and on par with LSU and UGA.
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Nice post... especially the first one
Nov 18, 2012, 1:10 PM
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The fact is no matter how much we break it down - next weekend tells the story. If Clemson, FSU, and possibly even Georgia Tech win - then perception changes. If we all lose it reinforces the perception.
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Nice break down but
Nov 18, 2012, 1:58 PM
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Who cares. Everyone knows the SEC is tough, so why should they schedule more games they could possibly loose? Our schedule is extremely week and it shows in the voting. Clemson won't get respect this year until we beat USCjr and win our bowl game. And That's the bottom line because Stone Cold said so.
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Re: SEC Out-of-Conference Schedule (INTERESTING BREAKDOWN)
Nov 18, 2012, 2:09 PM
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The SEC plays a garbage out of conference schedule, we know that but they will defend it til the day they die because they have to "Play Georgia, Alabama, LSU, and Florida every season!" even when they don't play any of those schools in the regular season.
You can't argue OOC schedules with SEC fans because facts confuse them and frustrate them. When we beat South Carolina they will just claim their difficult schedule made them tired and they couldn't play Clemson that well.
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Nov 18, 2012, 2:30 PM
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With the level of competition the sec faces week in and week out why would you schedule more big team I mean that is what the bowl game is for at the end of the year. Playing in the sec week in and week out is so physically demanding and rough. I mean look at how banged up we are at this point what good would it to to schedule extremely tough ooc opponents when you play one if the toughest schedules in the nation already. And u can't put margin of victory in your comparison that means nothing. It's not part of the bcs formula or anything plus sec teams are mostly built on defense which is what wins championships we don't have high powered high scoring offenses we just stop the other teams from scoring. Not trying I stir up trouble but you have I take the tiger glasses off and be real!
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Just plain ########.
Nov 18, 2012, 2:39 PM
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South Carolina, for example, started the season with five straight gimme games, then played a massively overrated (at the time and right now) Georgia team. Then LSU and Florida (also overrated), and then three more gimmes, one of which you almost gagged up.
There's nothing overly demanding about that crap. All hype, no substance.
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For one of the first times ever, we agree.
Nov 18, 2012, 2:39 PM
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Good post.
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See, that right there is where you SEC homers are missing
Nov 18, 2012, 2:39 PM
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the point. There is nothing in the resume of UGA and Florida, just for instance, that proves they're top 10 teams. They struggled against some weak teams and OOC teams, and beating other SEC teams who haven't proven anything doesn't prove anything either.
I call it SEC circular logic. It's a self-perpetuating myth, pushed along by the ESPN hype-machine who obviously has vested interest in promoting their business venture. It's funny to watch.
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I personally didn't say you have to schedule a tougher out
Nov 18, 2012, 2:50 PM
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of conference schedule. I'm merely looking at how the SEC performed against out-of-conference teams this year to date compared to how the rest of the country performed against those same teams, and based on that alone, the SEC currently doesn't deserve to have 3 two loss teams ahead of 1 loss FSU & 1 loss Clemson considering the coaching and talent level are all on par with each other. Fortunately, FSU, Florida, SC, and Clemson are tied at the hip next week.
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Re: ...
Nov 18, 2012, 8:05 PM
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Because you can't prove that you're conference is as good as it seems unless you play competition outside the conference. If you just beat up on other SEC teams how do we know a Big 12 team wouldn't come in and wipe the floor with you?
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Nov 18, 2012, 2:33 PM
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Dang autocorrect on this phone
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Nov 18, 2012, 3:05 PM
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Everyone else in the nation understands. To be the best you gotta beat the best and until you join the sec ur gunna have the same scenario every year face it.
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Re: ...
Nov 18, 2012, 3:22 PM
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thats just it. only the sec fans and media buy what you are selling. fans of any team, outside of the sec, knows that the sec has 1 or 2 really good teams every year. the rest of the sec teams are no better than any other team in any other conf. look up the phrase top heavy and they show the sec and dolly parton!
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Too bad SEC couldn't beat the small schools any worse than
Nov 18, 2012, 3:25 PM
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their small school conference teams could this year. Meanwhile Clemson gave every team it faced its worse loss of the year, and if Clemson didn't, FSU did. 
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Re: ...
Nov 18, 2012, 8:08 PM
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If joining the SEC was that easy we would do it. Do you think we like being in a #### basketball conference? No, nobody at FSU or Clemson would turn down the SEC if given the chance. It's going to be this way until the NCAA completely redoes conferences and goes with 16-20 team super conferences.
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See that's where you're wrong
Nov 18, 2012, 8:29 PM
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Everybody in the nation thinks its hilarious that fans of SEC schools pull for all 14 teams in the conference. Even Kirk Herbstriet made a comment about it during the Oregon/Stanford game.
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