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Not weighing in on control one way or the other but
Aug 13, 2012, 9:03 PM
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Check out the A&M shooters facebook page. Lots of guns. His mother is claiming he was mentally ill. Not sure if there is a solution to this problem, but I for one, am putting some blame on the family that know a mentally ill man was collecting an arsenal of weapons.
https://www.facebook.com/thomas.caffall
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Re: Not weighing in on control one way or the other but
Aug 13, 2012, 10:01 PM
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I know I will be in the minority here...but the free access people have to weapons in the US is far too easy-going. I'm not necessarily against guns (at least not in the home) , but this is the third time in a month that there has been a multiple-death shooting rampage by someone.
There has to be more-stringent rules to prevent people such as these from getting their hands on such lethal weapons.
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Orange Blooded [3771]
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Get rid of cars!
Aug 13, 2012, 10:15 PM
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Over 50,000 people per year get killed in/by them! And cell phones that people use to text while driving. There is no easy answer. It still comes down to people.
Heck, some people misuse bath salts, killing folks. Outlaw them too? It's people doing this crap brah.
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Yea, but no one buys a car
Aug 13, 2012, 10:16 PM
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Takes it to the range and practices running over people.
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Re: Yea, but no one buys a car
Aug 13, 2012, 10:19 PM
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There's plenty of people who itentionally try to kill people with cars. Probably just as many who try with guns. Next argument?
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Car a designed for driving
Aug 13, 2012, 10:21 PM
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Czech assault rifles are designed to kill people as efficiently as possible. Is that an O.K. argument. I'm not saying guns should be outlawed, but should mentally ill people be able to amass an arsenal of assault weapons via the internet?
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Legend [19708]
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Re: Car a designed for driving
Aug 13, 2012, 10:33 PM
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If it means inhibiting the right of non mentally ill people from having guns, then no, nothing should be done. Who is going to diagnos the person? The gun shop owner?
Things happen, it's an ugly world. You liberals need to quit trying to play superman with all the worlds problems before you screw us all.
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Ahh, us liberals
Aug 13, 2012, 10:36 PM
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I'm not sure I support being able to buy assault rifles on the internet. I have no issue with hunting rifles, shot guns, pistols, and any other type of weapon. I own weapons, however, I feel like this guys mom should have tried to get this guy disarmed long before he killed a constable doing his job.
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Re: Ahh, us liberals
Aug 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
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So you're saying only govt and criminals should have assault rifles?
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Did I say that
Aug 13, 2012, 10:42 PM
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I just said I don't think you should be able to buy assault weapons on the internet. Stop putting the words you want me to say in my mouth.
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Re: Did I say that
Aug 13, 2012, 10:43 PM
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I'm not saying you said that. I'm telling you the conclusion to your suggestion and asking your opinion.
You must be one of those who believes the drug war is a great success.
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So where do you draw a line, or is there a line
Aug 13, 2012, 10:56 PM
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If I wanted to buy a rocket launcher would that be o.k. If I passed a background check and passed a rocket launcher safety test. I mean, a criminal can get ahold of a rocket launcher if they wanted badly enough, why can't I as a law abiding citizen buy a rocket launcher?
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Re: So where do you draw a line, or is there a line
Aug 13, 2012, 11:04 PM
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I never said I was ok with people building armies lol
We're talking about guns not rocket launchers. That's your line.
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Just to play devil's advocate...
Aug 13, 2012, 10:57 PM
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That's the second message in a row that the "conclusion" to your message...is that you are putting words in his mouth.
Always love seeing the people who took debate in HS & College thinking they're a big deal...see the assumption/conclusion I made there?
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Re: Just to play devil's advocate...
Aug 13, 2012, 11:05 PM
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It was implied.
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Really
Aug 13, 2012, 11:07 PM
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I said I didn't think it was a good idea to allow assault rifles to be purchased online. Last time I checked the internet was not the only place to purchase weapons.
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Re: Really
Aug 13, 2012, 11:25 PM
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You're right I may have confused you with the other guy who said free access is too much.
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Re: Ahh, us liberals
Aug 13, 2012, 10:43 PM
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What is the problem with buying assault rifles on the internet? You must have it shipped to a business or person with a FFL license and complete all the same paperwork you would have to complete if you bought it off the shelf at your local gun store. Am I missing something here?
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Re: Get rid of cars!
Aug 13, 2012, 10:26 PM
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Anything can be used as a weapon with misuse, however only few things are made with the sole purpose to end someone else's life. As I mentioned before, I'm not even against people having weapons in their homes, but there has to be more focus on keeping this stuff out of the wrong hands.
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Re: Get rid of cars!
Aug 13, 2012, 10:36 PM
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No matter what you, guns are going to get into the wrong hands. It's just the way it is. The solution is getting guns into the right hands. Open carry. Of it were the norm to carry like it once was, ol boy VT wouldn't have killed 2 people before he was tasting his own blood. If it had ended up happening at all.
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So if everyone openly carried guns, violence would go down
Aug 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
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How did that work in the Western United states? Having a gun at the ready doesn't give people time to calm down and make rational decisions. That guy just hit on my girlfriend and I'm drunk, instead of punching him in the face, I can just shoot him. Hey, I've had a crappy day and this idiot just rear ended me, bang.
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Re: So if everyone openly carried guns, violence would go down
Aug 13, 2012, 10:42 PM
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You're comparing an uncivilized, anarchaic territory to modern day US lol. Come on man. How did it work out in the civil east? It worked fine.
With your "drunk guy, rear end" scenario. That can happen now. By a criminal on a non carrying law abiding citizen. But you're also assuming personalities and culture would be the same.
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Re: Get rid of cars!
Aug 13, 2012, 10:47 PM
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I don't think I'll up ever understand this train of thought. This theory only works in a world where everyone is an A+ shot, the bad guy wears a black and white striped jumpsuit, and people are always sober, intelligent, emotionless, and calculated.
Think of how often bar fights happen. Then give EVERYONE guns. That drunken brawl should work out just fine, eh?
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Re: Get rid of cars!
Aug 13, 2012, 10:51 PM
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Because bar owners will allow guns in their bar? Rightttt
There's open carry in Wisconsin. go find more than one incident of what you say that has occurred there. Or anything close to what you say.
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Re: Get rid of cars!
Aug 13, 2012, 11:00 PM
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Why wouldn't bar owners allow guns in their bars in this scenario?
Thie law in Wisconsin isn't any different than a lot of states. My problem is the thought that everyone having guns is safer than little to no people having guns.
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I tend to avoid places where I feel a gun is necissary
Aug 13, 2012, 11:06 PM
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In the instance of a random mass shooting, I doubt I would have the skill, nerve and opportunity to shoot a well armed man with a plan. I doubt most of the guys on here that act like they coud shoot a tick of a deers butt at 100 yards would have similar difficulty. I practice shooting on the move, I practice shooting at moving targets. However, I doubt I could be effective when surprised by a guy with an assault rifle spraying at me.
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Re: I tend to avoid places where I feel a gun is necissary
Aug 13, 2012, 11:28 PM
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If open carry were the norm culture would be different. Knowing how to react with a gun would be like knowing how to type a text message like this one in less than 30 seconds with two thumbs. Culture changes.
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Re: Get rid of cars!
Aug 13, 2012, 11:07 PM
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For many reasons, law suits, bad pr, bad for business in general. Same reason many won't sell beer in a glass bottle much less allow guns.
The laws in wisconsin are alot different
With gun laws, only criminals will have guns. Why would a criminal care about gun laws? In what world is it safer where criminals have guns and law abiders don't?
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So why can't I have a gun in a bar
Aug 13, 2012, 11:16 PM
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By your logic, a criminal isn't going to respect the owners wishes to not have weapons at his business, so if everyone in the bar is armed everyone will be safer...correct.
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Re: So why can't I have a gun in a bar
Aug 13, 2012, 11:31 PM
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That can happen now!!! With out open carry. Oh the chaos!! Look around us. Everyone is laying in the street outside of bars dead.
Guess its the same if drugs were legal. We'd all be doped up on heroin instead of on here arguing.
The things you think will happen just plain and simple won't.
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Re: So why can't I have a gun in a bar
Aug 13, 2012, 11:34 PM
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And to answer your question, yes, but again it's not likely to be allowed by the owner. I don't believe this idea that drunk people shoot people all the time. If that were the case we'd have rednecks murdered on nightly basis around here where I live. People with guns are not as likely to pull a gun on someone else who has a gun.
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I suppose we will have to disagree on this one
Aug 13, 2012, 11:37 PM
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Guns let people who are making a bad decision make a really bad decision. My friends gets crazy when he drinks. He doesn't carry a gun. I can drag his crazy but out of a bar before he gets in trouble, but if he had a gun, things would go bad quickly. You seem to think that people in under emotional stress will make rational decisions. I think you would see more "passion shootings" if everyone carried all the time.
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Re: I suppose we will have to disagree on this one
Aug 13, 2012, 11:43 PM
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I believe someone emotional enough to kill will kill without a gun. Plenty of other means.
But yeah agree to disagree.
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If a guy wants to kill me without a gun
Aug 13, 2012, 11:49 PM
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I've got a pretty good shot at defending myself. If a guy pulls a gun out and shoots me in the head, I'm dead. If a guy wants to kill a bunch of people it's much harder to do without a weapon. If dude in College Station today didn't have an assault rifle, and instead had a pistol, or a shotgun, or a deer rifle he might have still killed the constable, but he probably wouldn't have shot 2 bystandards and 2 more cops.
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That's an apples to to oranges comparison.
Aug 14, 2012, 1:13 AM
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Not that I'm a proponent of outlawing guns, but comparing cars to guns is not a valid argument. Cars serve a necessary function in society—they enable us to travel from place to place efficiently. Also, the overwhelming majority of car related fatalities are caused by accidents.
In contrast, the sole purpose of guns is to inflict anatomical damage on animals and/or humans. While they do serve as a deterrent from crime in many cases (much like the Cold War policy of deterrence through mutual assured destruction), they have no other primary function other than to kill either animals or people. In contrast to cars, the majority of gun-related deaths are not accidental.
It's a completely invalid argument to compare something with a necessary function unrelated to the deaths that are sometimes caused with any type of weapon that was invented solely to kill.
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Misuse bath salts??
Aug 14, 2012, 4:40 AM
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lol you think the bath salts that people use to get high are the bath salts that people buy at Bath and Body Works??
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Like I said, I'm not saying blanket gun control
Aug 13, 2012, 10:32 PM
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My friend was sitting in my living room with his Sig because we live a block or two from the shooting, and the shooter was on the move at one point. However, the man was mentally ill and amassing an arsenal of weapons via the internet.
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I agree with you there.
Aug 13, 2012, 11:07 PM
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and I know it is the unpopular opinion on this website, but there just cant be these types of events happening without at least a discussion of the solution.
Remember, the people that committed these crimes were all otherwise law abiding citizens that legally purchased the weapons they later used in these crimes. Not hardened criminals that could have easily gotten the guns somewhere else.
I'm not saying we need to go out and ban guns, but it would be crazy to let all of this happen and not at least look at the systems we have in place to see what could have been done to prevent it. Guns are not cars, cigarettes, or alcohol, guns are made with the purpose of killing and that should not be taken lightly.
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Re: Not weighing in on control one way or the other but
Aug 13, 2012, 10:24 PM
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Probably been reading for more than 2 years, but this will be my first post.
Gotta say, gun-wise, I have A LOT in common with that young man. The only difference is I have no desire to go around killing others.
Literally, I bought a Mosin in college just like that one with the green ammo can and it came with the bayonett, etc.
Also have a Russian AK similar to what he says is not AK.
And a few other guns. Clemson does, after all, have one of the best rifle and shotgun ranges in the state nearby. With full time DNR too.
Just my 2 cents
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If your mother thought you were mentally ill
Aug 13, 2012, 10:27 PM
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As this man's mother seemed to think
"Our family was shocked and devastated by the tragedy this afternoon. Our thoughts and prayers go to the families of the deceased and the wounded victims. We mourn them and the loss of Tres. He had been ill. It breaks our hearts his illness led to this. Please respect our privacy in our grief."
Would she approve of you large collection of guns and amo?
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Re: If your mother thought you were mentally ill
Aug 13, 2012, 10:30 PM
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That's a fair point. The answer is a firm no.
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I would expect her to notify the authorities
Aug 13, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Uhm, my son is mentally unstable and owns a large cache of weapons. If you go to serve him an eviction notice, I would recommend doing it quickly and quietly.
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Re: I would expect her to notify the authorities
Aug 13, 2012, 10:49 PM
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But what does that do? Instead of happening then it happens to someone else at another place in time? Police can't arrest him because his mother thinks he's mentally ill. At that point he hadnt committed a crime.
I mean I agree with you on the Mother's negligence. But you say things like she could have prevented it, even if she knew he had the guns. I just don't believe that.
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Try that argument with the cops wife and children
Aug 13, 2012, 10:54 PM
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Sorry, I knew my son was crazy and armed, but I didn't tell anyone because, heck he was probably going to kill someone anyway, nothing anyone could do.
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Re: Try that argument with the cops wife and children
Aug 13, 2012, 10:57 PM
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Like I said, I agree with you in terms of her negligence but disagree with you that it would have changed anything.
I've also seen nothing that says she knew he had guns.
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Have you seen his facebook page?
Aug 13, 2012, 10:59 PM
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All he talks about is his guns and going to the range.
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Re: Have you seen his facebook page?
Aug 13, 2012, 11:09 PM
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To play devils advocat here, I have plenty of friends who do the same. Many of whom are vets. Should I go turn them in?
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Do you think they are mentally ill?
Aug 13, 2012, 11:22 PM
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If you do, and they have an arsenal of weapons, you should at least talk to them and try an assess their mental status. Are they making threats, are they delusional, are they paranoid. If they are, I would try and get them help before they killed someone or killed themselves. One of my best friends has a large arsenal of weapons, and as a former army ranger he knows how to use them. If I thought he was mentally ill I would do my best, as a friend to get him some help, and get him away from his weapons, which would allow him to do something that he otherwise would never do.
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Re: Do you think they are mentally ill?
Aug 13, 2012, 11:41 PM
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I don't believe in the idea of everyone becoming policemen. Probing and prodding in someone's private life could have an opposite effect and make someone snap.
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Really, if you thought your friend or child were a danger
Aug 13, 2012, 11:46 PM
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You would do nothing because you don't want to pry? I hope that's not true.
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