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My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 9:01 AM
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I was extreamly surprised to see Dabo go for it on 4th and goal with a 28pt lead. That has not been his character, not once since he's been here, so I was a bit taken back. I think it stood out to most of us who watch Clemson football as something a bit odd, and that's where I have my troubles with it. I'm the guy that says "it's our job to score and their job to stop us"...but this is only true if you play the game as you would normaly play the game. If in every other circumstance ever, you would have took the 3 points, then take the 3 points. It starts to look classless when you do things odd...such as going for two with a sizeable lead, or going for a 4th and goal with a sizeable.
Honestly, I'm not exactly sure what Dabo was doing. Part of me believes that if we would have wanted to score, then we would have scored. Did he tell Boyd to show a busted play and take a sack to not make the score worse than it was? Did he have in mind all of the talk that 'Cuse had done all week and really want to stick it to them (very much NOT who he has been since coming here). Why call the TO with 14 sec left? Extreamly odd to do that...you call the TO with 3 sec left, kick the FG and go into the locker room.
IDK what the whole deal was...but I know two things...it was extreamly odd and stood out, and his explination of "We thought a touchdown would be a better deal right there" was BS.
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Had You Got That TD You Could Start The 2nd Half With
Oct 7, 2013, 9:03 AM
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Your 2nd and 3rd String.
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^^^^^***
Oct 7, 2013, 9:32 AM
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 9:04 AM
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I think your opinion is a bit odd and some what classless not to mention clueless.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Bingo to all 3 reasons.***
Oct 7, 2013, 10:04 AM
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My take: It's not "running up the score" in the first half.
Oct 7, 2013, 9:04 AM
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It's putting the game away.
Oregon goes for 2 point conversions all the time and no one complains about it. Why is going for a TD to put the nail in the coffin before half-time "running up the score."
How many times have we (and Dabo, undoubtedly) had to listen to some idiot talk about Clemson choking vs. an unranked opponent/on the road. How do you shut them up? Destroy whoever we play.
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Re: My take: It's not "running up the score" in the first half.
Oct 7, 2013, 9:11 AM
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I agree 100 per cent. Please read my post which says the same thing in a slightly different way. Destroy them then there is no question.
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 9:09 AM
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I respectfully disagree. Had he wanted to run up the score he had plenty of chances in the second half. We hardly threw the ball in the 3rd quarter after demolishing their secondary in the first half. This was a form of score control.
At the end of the first half we were only up 35-7 or 4 td's. I don't know about you but I've seen many a game where a team comes back from that deficit to win. Dabo was going for the final blow to seal the deal.
Finally, SU and their dumb fans did nothing but talk smack all week long and during the game. Perhaps this was his way of delivering a message.
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Well...since Syracuse was close to cutting the lead to 14
Oct 7, 2013, 9:09 AM
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(35-21) in the 3rd quarter, I wouldn't say that going for another TD in the 2nd quarter was "running up the score".
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It was the 2nd quarter!***
Oct 7, 2013, 9:11 AM
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Should have gone for FG
Oct 7, 2013, 9:13 AM
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It's not in Dabo's DNA to "run up the score" so that's not what was happening. I believe he thought a TD was doable and so he went for it. But, I think he learned a lesson, and maybe he didn't actually break into a sweat in the 3Q, but I think he started thinking about that fourth down and I think from now on he goes for the FG. It's not so much points as it is possessions in that situation, and a FG would have put one more possession between CU and SU.
That's the first tactical mistake I've seen him make in a while now.
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Re: Should have gone for FG
Oct 7, 2013, 9:38 AM
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Really? Tactical mistake? We are up by 28 frickin points and you are complaining because we didn't get a little field goal? I'm glad these are the only issues we have to complain about. God help us all if we actually LOSE a game this year. SHEESH!
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My thoughts EXACTLY . . . what a bunch of armchair WARRIORS
Oct 7, 2013, 10:08 AM
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we have in here . . . makes me sick.
ENJOY the ride - GOOD GRIEF ! ! ! !
"Against a better team it might come back to" . . . blah, blah, blah . . .
It WASN'T a better team and you gotta know that had it been the semiholes or somebody like that we would have kicked the 3.
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Re: Should have gone for FG - Agreed
Oct 7, 2013, 10:01 AM
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The Syracuse coach wasn't the only one cussing when Dabo did not kick the FG. I was beginning to sweat the decision in the 3rd Q. But fortunately, the defense came through to get a stop on 4th down and to force a FG attempt. Syracuse was much worse than I thought they were.
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 9:14 AM
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I would have done the same thing if I were Dabo. I would have tried to score 80 if I were him. They were trash talking all week, and you are right, it is their job to stop us. I see no problems with teams, especially teams that are trying to impress voters and get into the championship game, trying to win by impressive margins. It's football, people need to stop crying and worrying about hurting someone's freaking feelings.
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My whole point is...play the game as you would typically
Oct 7, 2013, 9:21 AM
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play the game. If any of you can recall one single instance where we have gone for it on 4th down, up big, as opposed to taking the FG, I'll be shocked. It was an extreamly odd call. There's not a person that watched the first half of that game that didn't believe the game was WELL over long before that. Syracuse was horrible in all aspects of the game. We didn't need 7 to put the nail in the coffin. The 2nd half was a joke for us...we just slept walked through it and gave them a cheap score. Just take what the game gives you, play the game YOU typcally play (don't compare it to Oregan, because that's what they do, not what we do)...just play YOUR game and they other coach doesn't call you an MF'er on national TV.
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Re: My whole point is...play the game as you would typically
Oct 7, 2013, 9:36 AM
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There is your answer. THEY I assume being the pollsters is who compares us to Oregon. We have to leave no doubt in the voters minds what kind of team we are. This ain't rec ball. Dabo gets paid to put teams away and that is what he was trying to do. If you have a problem with this maybe football isn't for you.
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I agree...wait until 2 secs...kick field goal...take mo
Oct 7, 2013, 9:27 AM
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into locker room and 3 more points...also the drive before work the ball around not necessary to throw two straight passes to end zone.
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Mo ??? We were up by 28 points. The few of you whining
Oct 7, 2013, 10:12 AM
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about this for the sake of whining would be the same ones saying he doesn't go for the throat.
He was going for the throat to end the half.
It was a busted play - poor timing for it - but it happens.
Geeeezzzzzzzz . . . .
Mo ? ? ? ? We had more mo heading into half than you could put in a dump truck. The announcers said lots of folks decided not to come back for the 2nd half.
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it's syracuse's job to stop clemson..PERIOD***
Oct 7, 2013, 9:29 AM
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 9:34 AM
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He doesn't get it. These days you have to score as many as you can because the voters,sadly,look at this. I have no problem with Dabo going for the kill because that is what the good ones do. They could not stop us so why not? We don't run up the score and we get complaints. We try to put a team away in the FIRST half and now you are concerned about Dabo? Really? I'll leave it at that. Some of you need to quit adding to the pussification of American sports with your politically correct BS. Its football,either come to play or put all your money in women's equestrian. Some of you guys kill me.
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I am extremely surprised that anyone calls it running
Oct 7, 2013, 9:35 AM
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up the score when it's still the first half. That is ridiculous.
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 9:35 AM
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Just my opinion,but you take the 3 points at the end of the first half.
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The announcers started that crap.
Oct 7, 2013, 9:38 AM
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Had Dabo wanted to run up the score he would have played Tajh and all the starting rotation longer. One who considers gaining a hugh half-time lead as 'running up the score,' fails to consider what bearing a good half-time adjustment from a good coaching staff can have on the outcome of a game.
Have you never seen a team down by 30 at the half come back and make a go of the game? Football people know how this works. Those announcers along with most fans felt the game was over but our coaches couldn't risk losing it all the second half because of some touchy/feely crap.
DTV swapped our game for another at about the 14 min mark of the 4th quarter. I'd imagine the announcer's comment about 'running up the score,' was more to promote attention toward the rest of the game than an honest opinion.
If you want an example of 'running up the score,' for a reference watch some of SOS's games at UF against Vandy. When you throw deep in the fourth quarter with a 42 point lead that's running up the score. 'Running up the score,' is relative to time remaining in the game compared to the difference in scores.
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Re: Seems I remember some years back being down to VA
Oct 7, 2013, 10:07 AM
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By close to 30 points and Clemson came back to win. Are these people saying a comeback by that much is impossible?
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I thought his explanation was perfectly legit
Oct 7, 2013, 9:38 AM
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He was very matter-of-fact about it and I see no reason for him to be apologetic or remorseful about it. His reasons were sound--a FG has a chance to be blocked, or Cuse could have taken the ensuing kickoff halfway or all the way down the field. It was a safe play, and not making it meant that Cuse was backed up in their own end zone with just seconds to play. Why is a TD running up the score but a FG isn't? Answer: it's not.
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Not me....
Oct 7, 2013, 9:43 AM
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I have no problem with Dabo's decision to go for it in that situation.
I guarantee you Scott Shafer told his players at halftime that the game was still winnable.
Until the opponent is ready to throw-in the towel and conceed defeat, we should try to score at every possible opportunity; especially when playing on the road.
IMO...it was entirely too early to call off the dogs.
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In the past 45 seconds I have developed a
Oct 7, 2013, 9:44 AM
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far fetched theory that probably holds water as well as that flexseal scree door-bottomed boat.
Dabo wanted to show Syracuse he didn't really respect them. Not to disrespect them, but to fire them up so they would try to put up some sort of fight in the second half. It worked as we had a mostly lousy 3rd quarter and it got some coachable moments on film.
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 9:57 AM
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One of the announcers made a comment about running up the score and the other one said ”it is not Clemson's job to stop Clemson. It is Syracuse's job to stop Clemson!". A very valid point.
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For those "we must score a bunch of points to impress the
Oct 7, 2013, 9:58 AM
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pollsters" guys...if this was the reasoning, why not continue to play hard in the second half? Why not take the 3, then come out the second half and keep scoring? Syracuse didn't all of the sudden become a great defensive team in the 3rd qtr. Fact is, the 4th and goal wasn't about looking impressive to the media or putting a team away...in my opinion, it was about showing up a team that had talked all week, and that was very out of character for a Dabo coached Clemson team. We could have score 70 on them had we continued to play hard the 2nd half...if the coaches had wanted to...it wasn't about that.
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I think the bigger "problem" was the drive before that
Oct 7, 2013, 10:08 AM
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when we kept taking deep shots instead of playing football. I do think their chatter all week, the continued talk of Clemsoning, and the fact that FSU did what they did influenced some of the play calls. I don't know what the heck was going on in the 3rd quarter, but a lull like that cannot show up against FSU.
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I thought a field goal was the smart choice
Oct 7, 2013, 10:05 AM
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but I have no qualms about stepping on an opponent's throat. This is a sport played by men, legendary coach John Heisman wasn't afraid to run up the score, so we shouldn't be either.
I wasn't mad at WVU for running up the score on us a few years ago, I was mad at our team for not stopping them.
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 10:12 AM
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At the time, I questioned why Dabo called it for a couple of reasons. First, with our kicker, it would be an automatic 3 points. Second, if we didn't make it, it would give Syracuse a big lift at halftime and new life in the 3rd quarter, which is what happened.
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Bobby Bowden, cicra 1993: "If you'll stop trying to catch us
Oct 7, 2013, 10:33 AM
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...we'll stop trying to score."
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Re: My take on running up the score...
Oct 7, 2013, 10:58 AM
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Syracuse's "third quarter lift" was not a result of stuffing us on 4th down. It was a result of us basically turning off the pass attack in the 3rd quarter.
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I didn't like the call, only because of the situation...
Oct 7, 2013, 11:01 AM
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It's 4th & 5... Not 4th & inches. You're on the road, you have a great kicker and 3 more points is a big deal-- it puts you up 5 scores. At the end it didn't matter, but I was pretty annoyed after SU came out in the 3rd and scored a TD.
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you have it backwards
Oct 7, 2013, 10:53 AM
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It was more merciful for us to go for it. They had the chance to stop us and they did, and it gave them new life. We opted out of an automatic three points. The FG would have been more "running up the score."
This sort of thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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