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Here's my question
Dec 22, 2015, 7:54 PM
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I love Clemson. I watch/listen/attend almost every single Clemson football/basketball/baseball games. I keep up with football maybe a tad bit more but I still know a lot about our bball teams. I wouldn't call myself a dumper because I watch every basketball game; even though it's very hard to watch, I still support Clemson. A lot of people complain about how Brad Brownell is a bad coach or just a "mid level" coach who doesn't belong in the ACC because his team's simply haven't been very competitive the last 6 years. "He can't recruit" & "his players wouldn't start at any other ACC school" statements bring me to this question. WHY would any good basketball player that is ACC caliber want to come to Clemson? I don't understand the logic. Is it really Brownell's fault that his players are 2 & 3 stars when those "ACC caliber" players won't even take a look at Clemson? I'm just trying to understand because I too want to see a competitive basketball program from Clemson. Do y'all think if we had a proven, name brand coach that we could attract better talent? Is that what y'all are saying? I've been thinking the last couple of weeks what Clemson could do to have a better, more competitive basketball program but I just don't know how. Is a name brand coach really going to bring in that higher level of talent or is he just going to be supposedly a better "x & o's" coach that can coach up our 2 & 3 star players better than Brownell? Just curious to what y'all think really needs to be done, realistically and seriously.
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Here's something to think about
Dec 22, 2015, 7:57 PM
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What did Bowden do to turn things around?
It can be done. We just need the right guy. And BB ain't the right guy.
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Re: Here's something to think about
Dec 22, 2015, 8:11 PM
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So who would you want? Possibly older, proven, name brand HC or another successful "mid level" coach? I don't disagree nor do I agree. I don't know enough about basketball to say I think Brownell is a bad coach. Sure, his team's haven't been very good but how many factors go into that?
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Re: Here's my question- no one here has a clue what needs to
Dec 22, 2015, 8:00 PM
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be done. this fan base and board are ignorant on hoops. all they know is that they have something they can gripe about. yet if only 10% of those who went to football would support basketball we'd have sell outs. but they want to be part of the problem rather than the solution
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Re: I disagree. 99% of them know where to start. They did
Dec 22, 2015, 8:06 PM
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not fall off the cabbage wagon, yesterday.
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so - your great basketball mind comes up with
Dec 22, 2015, 8:12 PM
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That if more fans showed up and were ok with getting beat by 20 plus points to a team that lost to Chattanooga and beat high point by 3 - then we would have made a lot more shots, defend better, and win this game???
Is that your solution?
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Re: so - your great basketball mind comes up with
Dec 22, 2015, 8:42 PM
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not what I said but it wouldnt hurt if there was more interest. If I could draw that for you I would since you didnt get it
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My response
Dec 22, 2015, 8:04 PM
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Go look at the current rankings. There are maybe 14 teams ranked that could say exactly the same thing you just wrote.
In many cases we have advantages over them.
We play in the ACC - yes that is an advantage.
We have a great football program - thus get more exposure.
Clemson is a special place.
So why are they ranked and we struggle to beat anyone? You think those 14 teams are loaded with 5 star players?
For goodness sake - the game chickens are ranked. You think they have a recruiting advantage over Clemson? Does UGA? No.
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Re: My response
Dec 22, 2015, 8:09 PM
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Fair enough. I didn't necessarily voice my opinion though. Just quoting the typical responses I see from people. You're right. It doesn't take All Americans to have a good team. So I'm taking that you think Brownell is just a bad coach? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm honestly interested in what people think we need to do. If we need a new coach, who in the world would you want to go after? Do you want a proven, name brand coach or another successful "mid level" coach?
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Re: My response
Dec 22, 2015, 8:15 PM
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I am not qualified to say he is or is not a good coach.
I am just a fan.
What I can say is that - regardless of being a great coach or not - it is not working. We are not competitive, have no identity, and are not giving the fans something to hang onto for the future. Some glimmer of hope. Give me that!
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Re: My response
Dec 22, 2015, 8:34 PM
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Doesn't matter, name coach or mid level, he has to be able to get the most out of his players. what ever strengths they have, make the most of them. BB is a great guy, and a good coach especially on D. However, he is not a great recruiter and his system is not very entertaining. OP took a terrible team and at least made it exciting to watch. then when he got some of his players, he turned them into a playoff team. BB took a playoff team and turned them into this. He may be a good coach, but this is stale at best. Moving to LJ next year won't make this team shoot better, make free throws, or fight more than they are capable of.
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