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There are many paths to God.
Feb 28, 2013, 10:15 AM
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I'm not sure I trust the State to teach my kid which path to take. The government doesn't have a very good track record. You've gotta admit that.
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i don't really care. i'm not that religious. but i know the
Feb 28, 2013, 10:16 AM
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libbies will raise a stink. they always do. personally, i don't really care whether the school offers an elective class in bible studies. you can take such a class in college, after all.
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It all depends on what they mean by Bible study. So much of
Feb 28, 2013, 11:47 AM
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the arts, literature and political discourse over the millenniums have been strongly influenced by the Bible that it would be foolish not to have an understanding of what is written in it. Praying or stating that the Bible is actually Divinely inspired would be a no no, whereas stating that many faiths believe this book to be the Divine word of God spoken unto man would be fine.
I studied Greek mythology, but I never took it as a Truth.
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what in hades are you talking about? ;)***
Feb 28, 2013, 12:13 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Do I stutter when I type???***
Feb 28, 2013, 12:32 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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I disagree and agree.
Feb 28, 2013, 10:17 AM
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I believe there is but one way to God. That is through Jesus Christ.
With that said, I don't believe that religion (other than for historical purposes and context of social studies) should be taught in public schools. Prayer either.
If we want a moment of daily quiet reflection time, I'm ok with that.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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looks like an elective...
Feb 28, 2013, 10:18 AM
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and while I disagree with your premise personally, I think it would be fair to offer other religious courses
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i had to study literature pertaining to greek and other
Feb 28, 2013, 10:20 AM
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gods in HS. no biggie.
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so it should be taught under the guise of mythology?
Feb 28, 2013, 1:42 PM
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Pretty sure religious Christians would be offended at the comparison. I'd be OK with a class talking about the historical nature of the bible and other religions and their impact on the world. What it can't be is Sunday school in public schools, leave the proselytizing to church.
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See, I'm a Christian, but do people not realize that
Feb 28, 2013, 10:24 AM
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if you allow Bible study, what is to stop allowing Wican study in public schools?
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they can and should offer an elective on wican. how
Feb 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
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else will wicans know which subarus get the best gas mileage and learn the untold history of lillith fair?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I get your point, but...
Feb 28, 2013, 10:33 AM
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what I am afraid of is a lot of Christians come across as closed-minded. A lot of times we are known for what we are against than what we are for. And while I personally don't see any place for Wiccan studies in school, I do believe in not limiting perspective. I am an information advocate, per se. Let the best ideas prevail.
Hard to put into words, but when we shy away from talking about certain subjects or make things taboo, we sometimes make those things more attractive, especially for young people who are inquisitive/rebelious by nature. I prefer to take the stance that I want to hear all views AND then discuss and compare.
I do understand this is a little beyond the scope of what we are talking about in this thread. Just my 2 cents.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
Feb 28, 2013, 10:42 AM
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Compare and contrast, not suppress.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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very fine line...
Feb 28, 2013, 10:46 AM
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I don't want to be or appear fearful or overly protective of my personal faith.
As Christian parents, we want to pass on our faith to our children, but we always have to remember that it is something they have to grasp. It has to be THEIR faith. My faith will not meet their need or anybody's need. It is a personal faith
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Re: let the godless begin their moaning...
Feb 28, 2013, 10:30 AM
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I don't have a problem with religious studies as long as all religions get representation and it isn't taught like Sunday school.
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It is an elective; great idea!***
Feb 28, 2013, 10:34 AM
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You can do it in college.
Feb 28, 2013, 10:57 AM
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Most colleges have religious courses - although a lot of them are exposure to multiple religions to compare and contrast.
I guess my question would be - how is it being taught? Is it being taught like it is in Sunday school that this is the truth and the Bible is correct?
Or is it being taught for informational purposes only? i.e - this is what Christians believe and we are making no judgements on whether their beliefs are true or not. Or teaching the Bibles' influence on western history, culture, writing, etc.
It appears to be the second, which should be fine - esp since it's an elective.
What's gonna be interesting is the reaction when a group of students asks to put together a class to study the Quran or Wicca.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Seems like "other religions" would have as much to
Feb 28, 2013, 11:00 AM
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complain as the "godless"...
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probably, but, you know, #### those people. ;)
Feb 28, 2013, 11:06 AM
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seriously, though, if there were enough demand, i would not have a problem with electives that study other religious texts, or all of them in one class. like i said, i don't think there were any people in my english class the worshipped the ancient greek and roman gods, but we spent a lot of time reading about them.
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I'd favor a mandatory, rigorous examination of the book.***
Feb 28, 2013, 11:02 AM
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Re: I'd favor a mandatory, rigorous examination of the book.***
Feb 28, 2013, 12:10 PM
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what book?
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CU Medallion [56317]
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Isn't that what churches are for?
Feb 28, 2013, 11:10 AM
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People who support this idea would have a much different reaction if a public school offered Kuran studies.
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some would. but i wouldn't. i think more we can use a
Feb 28, 2013, 11:11 AM
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little more understanding of people and their religions and this is certainly one way. i probably would take a class that studied religion in general.
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I think they should be allowed to have it...
Feb 28, 2013, 11:10 AM
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But I'd rather them not have it. The Bible needs to be taught to young people by men of God, not public school teachers. If they're going to "study" it in the same way they would study Grapes of Wrath, then it has no spiritual value.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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public school teachers can be...
Feb 28, 2013, 11:31 AM
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men or women of God. While I know you agree (although I know that "men" was used exclusively on purpose), we can't leave it all up to the churches alone or "preachers."
I also understand the fear of incorrect teaching...but how are our churches doing?
The number of churches that did not even have a single baptism last year is staggering. Just from SBC statistics, it's awful. http://www.edstetzer.com/2012/06/sbc-2011-statistical-realities.html
I say, even if they read the Bible for literary purposes, it isn't bad.
Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
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I am fearful that the Word of God, in secular hands...
Feb 28, 2013, 11:39 AM
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Would be taught in such a way to misconstrue the Truth. I would not want to take that risk. Instead of having a class where a teacher "teaches" the Bible, let's encourage Christian students and faculties to hold Bible studies among themselves, outside of the "academic" arena.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I do agree...
Feb 28, 2013, 11:45 AM
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we need to continue to encourage them to hold their own Bible studies.
I do however, believe the secular world has a head start on teaching the Bible the way they want it taught. Lots of garbage being published now.
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The inefficacy of the modern Church is another issue...
Feb 28, 2013, 11:42 AM
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One that I don't think is solved or helped by further risking harm to the pre-eminence of the Word of God after being filtered through the hands of the secular school system.
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Rock Defender [54]
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It should be studied like it was Grapes of Wrath, and it
Feb 28, 2013, 11:59 AM
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should have no overt spiritual value when taught in schools. It would be the study of an historic document, one that has strongly influenced most aspects of western culture. If a kid is a believer anyway, the academic approach shouldn't help or hinder his spiritual journey.
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