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Happy Easter from me and the UMC...
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:24 PM
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I was in my church today, and really enjoyed the service and the meaning of it all.
Our denomination has lost 1/4 of our churches over the last few years, but we're still kicking.
God Bless and Jesus has Risen!
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Re: Happy Easter from me and the UMC...
Apr 4, 2024, 2:09 AM
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You have lost them for good reason. I applaud the ones who left.
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You are certainly free to feel that way....
Apr 6, 2024, 8:37 PM
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I have stayed, and will be staying in the UMC. If you ever visit a UMC church, I hope you feel welcomed by the congregation.
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Re: You are certainly free to feel that way....
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Apr 12, 2024, 8:43 PM
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I have a lot of Methodist friends. Their churches all left UMC.
What UMC can't figure out is Jesus instructed sinners to repent. He did not welcome them to continue in their sinful lifestyle. Paul, at inspiration of The Holy Spirit, forbade the toleration of sexual immorality in the congregation. The UMC is at best officially tolerating sin, and in actuality it is my opinion they are bordering on officially endorsing sin.
What part of the Bible is UMC missing?
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Orange Blooded [2117]
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What denomination are you in, if you're in one?****
Apr 13, 2024, 12:04 PM
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Re: What denomination are you in, if you're in one?****
Apr 13, 2024, 3:43 PM
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Independent Baptist
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OK thanks....
Apr 13, 2024, 4:57 PM
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How do you tell people that are gluttonous-overeatres that want to marry in your church that you can't do that? Also, how do you keep obese gluttonous overeaters out of the pulpit at your church? I'm sure you guys have to draw a line at letting that sin flourish. So let me know how you handle that at your church.
Also, do you allow women to be pastors at your church?
Thanks.
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Re: OK thanks....
Apr 13, 2024, 7:14 PM
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Is gluttony on list of sins Paul said would keep you out of heaven? Is gluttony called an "abomination unto God" anywhere in Scripture.
No. We do not let women preach.
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Orange Blooded [2117]
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So you're church is allowing sin to fester....
Apr 13, 2024, 7:33 PM
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You are willing to allow the gluttonous (one of the 7 deadly sins) to marry & be pastors under your roof.
And on top of that, you treat women as 2nd class citizens in spite of the clear wishes of the bible that Women should be able to prophecy.
If I run into anyone in your church, I'm going to hope they leave, because your church is awash in sin.
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Re: So you're church is allowing sin to fester....
Apr 13, 2024, 7:50 PM
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Prophesy and preach are not the same.
"7 deadly sins" is a list men created. Try again.
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Jesus sent the women to spread the news to his disciples....
Apr 13, 2024, 8:14 PM
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Acts says your sons & daughters will prophesy. And prophesy includes the act of preaching. It is actually broader than just preaching and is inclusive of preaching. There's no doubt that when you look throughout the Bible, there are numerous situations where women lead & teach. There's Esther, Deborah, Huldah, Mary Magdalene, and others. And Jesus' own actions upon resurrection make it clear that women can prophesy and be leaders. He broke all the supposed rules. Your church that doesn't allow women pastors is sinning against women and mis-reading the bible.
Gluttony is mentioned in numerous parts of the bible, and is a sin. There's no doubt about that. And your church is fine with having a gluttonous pastor & marrying gluttonous people.
So, your church is awash in sin. And I hope people leave your church.
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Re: Jesus sent the women to spread the news to his disciples....
Apr 13, 2024, 9:29 PM
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Paul was plain on not allowing women to preach. It was not a cultural command. Study the passage in Greek. Pay his verbage close attention.
Gluttony is mentioned in Scripture, but not listed with the sins that will keep one out of heaven and not listed in sins to kick out of church.
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Re: Jesus sent the women to spread the news to his disciples....
Apr 13, 2024, 9:38 PM
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If you pay attention to the verbiage and the different vocabulary used, Paul didn’t write 1 Timothy.
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Paul was talking about specific women and not all women....
Apr 13, 2024, 9:40 PM
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You and your "Independent Baptist" church have mis-read the Bible. Paul wouldn't dare go against Jesus' own appearing first to the women and first sending the women to spread the news. You, and your church, are taking Paul out of context and ignoring the numerous parts of the rest of the Bible that support women preaching & leading. It's all over the Bible and supported by Jesus himself.
Gluttony is mentioned numerous times as a sin in the Bible, and your congregation ignores it when choosing pastors or marrying people.
Your church is awash in sin, and hopefully people will leave your church.
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Re: Paul was talking about specific women and not all women....
Apr 14, 2024, 10:10 AM
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How do you know what my church does? We do not belong to any denomination. We are an independent Baptist Church. Do you have a clue how physically fit our pastoral staff is or is not? Do you know whether or not we eat fried Chicken at every social? Seems you like to view the world through prejudice. I commented on the UMC denomination which I am knowledgeable of. You commented on my church, of which you have no knowledge.
Paul said what he said. It does not go against Jesus teaching or actions.
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I'm pointing out to you that you live in a glass house....
Apr 14, 2024, 10:43 AM
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You've come into these threads specifically to attack the UMC, because you "know people" who left the UMC. And I'm just turning it back on you and your church,and pointing out that you also allow "sin" to fester in your church.
All churches. All denominations. All congregations have issues within their own house. That includes your great Independent Baptist church.
You cast the first stone. But you are not without sin. That's my broader point, although you're too dense to see it.
Your church excludes women from leadership, even though the Bible commands that they be allowed to preach and lead. You yourself said your church doesn't allow it. So, you are sinning against women. Your church is immoral in your misogyny. And you're OK with it. Therefore YOU are sinning against women.
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Re: I'm pointing out to you that you live in a glass house....
Apr 14, 2024, 10:44 AM
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These exact kind of conversations are and were such a big turn-off for religion.
You guys, who ostensibly both really believe the bible, can't even agree on what it says yet both of you will fervently tell others they should believe your interpretation.
It's mind-blowing.
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Orange Blooded [2117]
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But reynolds and I are not two sides of the same coin....
Apr 14, 2024, 10:49 AM
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He supports an institution that struts around like a peacock while excluding people. I'm in favor of more inclusion. On this topic, I have the moral high ground, and you don't need a Bible to know that.
And in this discussion, he cast the first stone, not me.
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Re: But reynolds and I are not two sides of the same coin....
Apr 14, 2024, 10:54 AM
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Just making an observation.
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Orange Blooded [2117]
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That's fine...
Apr 14, 2024, 10:58 AM
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But it's beside the point.
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Re: That's fine...
Apr 14, 2024, 11:03 AM
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It's very relevant, lol.
I'm in the south, and religion is a big part of the culture here. Two people will both scream they are correct about the book.
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No, you're just being a passive agressive jerk....
Apr 14, 2024, 11:09 AM
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with your "pox on both your houses" act.
When I pointed out that there are differences between Reynolds and myself, you meekly suggest "it's just an observation."
Typical passive agressive that I see alot on these boards, including from you apparently.
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Re: No, you're just being a passive agressive jerk....
Apr 14, 2024, 11:22 AM
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Not sure how it's passive, I'm directly calling it out but ok.
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OK, you're being agressive-passive....
Apr 14, 2024, 4:46 PM
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First agressive, then a meek little mouse.
I'm not sure why arguments among Christians blows your mind. Are you really being honest there? What I mean is that there's literally nothing on this planet where people agree all the time. Politics. Sports. Religion. Business. Where there are people, there are disagreements. And it's one of the constants in life.
So, if Christians arguing about what the Bible means bothers you - as you so loudly claim it does - then you're gonna have a tough life. Because in my house, we can't even agree about what to eat for dinner. Life is nothing but a series of disagreements, with occasional light shining through.
But sure, go ahead. Be especially bothered by us Christians. Knock yourself out.
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Re: OK, you're being agressive-passive....
Apr 14, 2024, 4:56 PM
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It blows my mind you take the bible as fact, not that people argue.
>But sure, go ahead. Be especially bothered by us Christians. Knock yourself out.
Whatever you need to tell yourself.
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Well, the Bible is a tough book to understand, and a very long one at that....
Apr 14, 2024, 5:30 PM
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But whatever. You keep doin' you and pretend your mind is blown.
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Re: Well, the Bible is a tough book to understand, and a very long one at that....
Apr 14, 2024, 5:34 PM
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Pretending is a religious mans game
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Yes, continue with the attacks....
Apr 14, 2024, 5:38 PM
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I believe what I believe when it comes to religion. I'm not pretending. You believe what you want. I believe you when you say you're not a believer. But quit acting like this all blows your mind, little drama queen.
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Re: Yes, continue with the attacks....
Apr 14, 2024, 5:45 PM
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lol "attacks".
>But quit acting like this all blows your mind, little drama queen.
What was that about "attacks".
hypocrite.
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Everyone is a hypocrite at some level....
Apr 14, 2024, 5:52 PM
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It's part of the human condition. You're a hypocrite, too.
But I'm not going to pretend (like you are) that a disagreement between Christians about what the Bible says is some sort of surreal unbelievable thing. Human beings disagree about everything, including about God. If this "blows your mind", you're gonna have a tough life.
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Re: Everyone is a hypocrite at some level....
Apr 14, 2024, 6:02 PM
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I can see why you disagree with others so much, you can't even follow a conversation.
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Oh, I can follow it very well, thank you....
Apr 14, 2024, 6:16 PM
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I don't think you're trying to have a "conversation." You're just trying to start an argument, and I'm feeling argumentative. If that bothers you, get over it.
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Your church doesn't allow women pastors....
Apr 15, 2024, 8:26 AM
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You told me that yourself. I know enough to know that your church sins against women & God. That much, I'm sure of about your church. Thanks for the "conversation". The next time you cast the first stone, be ready to defend your own sin.
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Re: Your church doesn't allow women pastors....
Apr 15, 2024, 3:56 PM
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Paul, at inspiration of Holy Spirit, forbade women pastors. The "sin" lies in your camp; not in mine. Argue with Paul.
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Re: So you're church is allowing sin to fester....
Apr 14, 2024, 10:38 PM
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Prophesy and preach are not the same.
"7 deadly sins" is a list men created. Try again.
He knows nothing about the Bible
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Apparently more than Reynolds****
Apr 15, 2024, 8:26 AM
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Re: Apparently more than Reynolds****
Apr 15, 2024, 3:58 PM
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You obviously skipped the Pauline Epistles.
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Re: Happy Easter from me and the UMC...
Apr 12, 2024, 8:35 PM
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According to the Mormons, I will make it to the Celestial Kingdom. So, if they are right, I am OK.
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Re: He won't be lonely.
Apr 13, 2024, 8:21 PM
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Pure fantasy
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