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Is the idea to penalize Sammy OR the team??
Jun 28, 2012, 11:12 AM
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Clearly there needs to be a punishment for Sammy Watkins and it needs to be punitive so I can't imagine it not involving some loss of playing time. By losing time on the field it truly impacts the offender, in this case Sammy. He loses the opportunity to showcase his skills and improve his stats, as an individual. I guess my only question is does the team need to be punished? If the answer is no then I don't see why you could not argue that holding Sammy out of the Auburn game is not the proper thing to do. Just a thought.
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Orange Blooded [4947]
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Re: Is the idea to penalize Sammy OR the team??
Jun 28, 2012, 11:15 AM
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The team is responsible for every member of the team. I am sure other players were involved with Sammy's incident and partake in the same behavior. That means they are also responsible. Also you have to send a message to the team that this behavior is not okay. That is the only reason I am against suspending him for games 2 and 3 instead of Auburn. As a coach that sends a message that the player is more important than the team and shows the other players that they will still get to play in big games no matter how they act.
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Re: Is the idea to penalize Sammy OR the team??
Jun 28, 2012, 11:29 AM
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Interesting. Don't like generalizations and assumptions as you made in sentence 2 but can't disagree with need to send a message to the rest of the team. Is this just a case of poor timing on Sammy's part? If this happened the night after the Auburn game would it be ok to sit him for the next one vs Ball St and leave it at that?
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CU Guru [1363]
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that's a silly question
Jun 29, 2012, 11:13 AM
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maybe sammy had some on him the week before the acccg last year, and just didn't get caught. much better to get caught now than then, i think that's obvious. of course it's bad timing, but the offseason is very long, and a lot can happen.
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CU Guru [1895]
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Have you ever played a team sport before?
Jun 28, 2012, 11:16 AM
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Accountability is a huge part of being a team. If you miss a play on the field the whole team is punished, its the same if you make a bad decision off the field.
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Hall of Famer [24875]
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Dabo should maintain a complete black-out on everything
Jun 28, 2012, 11:21 AM
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to do with any punishment he intends for Sammy as far as playing time until the day of the game(s). No need to give some DC an advantage as far as coverage schemes and match-ups; that would be detrimental to the team as a whole.
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Re: Dabo should maintain a complete black-out on everything
Jun 28, 2012, 11:42 AM
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while I agree he is way to willing to talk during interviews for this to happen. I wish it would but Dabo will be Dabo
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Hall of Famer [24875]
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He's been silent so far.***
Jun 28, 2012, 11:44 AM
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Athletic Dir [872]
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Hard work of many, sacrificed by the disrespect of the few
Jun 28, 2012, 11:21 AM
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It was a selfish decision to break the law, and the punishment should result in missed playing time. It sucks that the example has to be made on Sammy's behalf, but this will also set the tone for the behavior of the rest of the team. That right there hurts Sammy more than a permanent record. Knowing that he let his teammates down.
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110%er [9080]
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I think you make a good point - the thought generally.......
Jun 28, 2012, 11:23 AM
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has been that the offender is penalized the most by taking away his playing time but it does have an effect of penalizing the team also. I guess you could make him run the stairs in DV or something like that but some people would question whether or not that's "real" punishment or just conditioning.
This makes me think - how would you penalize SW if, for example, he was a 4th string player who never got to play in games? You'd have to think of something else for him. Not let him dress out for games? Confine him to his room when not at practice or class? You couldn't take away his playing time since he never gets to play.
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Rock Defender [54]
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The coach with penalties does not hurt the team, Sammy by
Jun 28, 2012, 11:24 AM
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his behavior hurt the team. Someone who goes out in a way that is a detriment to the team is, at that time, not a team player.
Sometimes it takes getting caught for that message to sink into people. No doubt that if Sammy is as good a person as everyone seems to believe, off the field issues will never happen again to him.
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Thanks for your input...
Jun 28, 2012, 11:28 AM
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always great getting knowledge on suspensions and arrests from a coot fan. you guys should know more than anyone in the country!
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+1.***
Jun 28, 2012, 11:29 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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lame, you are.
Jun 28, 2012, 8:32 PM
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its true.
just ignore me if you are too insecure and immature to have a reasonable discussion on various topics with someone other than a CU fanatic.
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Double negatives much?
Jun 28, 2012, 11:27 AM
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If the answer is no then I don't see why you could not argue that holding Sammy out of the Auburn game is not the proper thing to do.
Seriously though, I can't support suspending Sammy for more than one quarter based on what I've heard about him going above and beyond to make things right. Kids make mistakes--I made the exact same ones when I was in college. Nobody ever had to suspend me from anything to make me learn my lesson.
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Athletic Dir [872]
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Did your Peers learn for your mistakes as well?
Jun 28, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Or did they go and do the same thing you got punished for the next day?
This punishment will carry over to Sammy's Teammates, Athletes on campus, Athletes at other schools, and even high school and middle schoolers that aspire to be a colligate athlete one day.
Just sayin!
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Coach Kilmer is that you***
Jun 28, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Tweeter drank beer because...Tweeter drinks beer***
Jun 28, 2012, 11:40 AM
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I love that dog!!
Jun 28, 2012, 12:01 PM
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I think it's a pig.
love that movie
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If it hurts the whole team, then his teammates will help
Jun 28, 2012, 11:34 AM
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make sure it doesn't happen again, supposedly.
If a guy just has to run sprints as punishment (for example), his teammates will stand around and give him good natured grief for having to run more.
If it causes them issues in a game - his teammates will pull the guy to the side and say "Hey don't let that crap happen again...."
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As a student-athlete, he has to realize....
Jun 28, 2012, 11:37 AM
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that his actions both on and off the field have far reaching consequences that not only effect him but the rest of the team as well.
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Oculus Spirit [94255]
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Dabo has this under control.
Jun 28, 2012, 11:37 AM
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He is wise enough to know that offender go to jail regardless of the repercussion to their responsibilities to others. This is a teachable moment in the lives of each of our football players. No one is above the law.
Dabo is not a fool when it comes to matters of growing boys into men.
That being said it would delight me to see Sammy catch 12 passes for 175 yds against auburn and return two for touchdowns on punt returns.
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In the second half...***
Jun 28, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Oculus Spirit [94255]
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No, the football fan in me says let him play.
Jun 28, 2012, 11:53 AM
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The father in me says he dresses and walks the sideline with misery, to display in disgrace his crime against his teammates and the world.
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Hall of Famer [24875]
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Crime against the world? Slow down there, Cap. A few pills
Jun 28, 2012, 8:45 PM
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and a few joints is not, and will never be, anything near a "crime against the world". Done with dealing with all the Dudley Dorights casting stones from their hypocritical pulpits. See you in Utopia.
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When I was in the first grade, someone put glue on the...
Jun 28, 2012, 11:38 AM
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toilet seat in our classroom. No one would confess, so the teacher and principal started spanking, one by one, every student in the class. They went in alphabetical order. The culprit confessed while we were in the G's. He didn't confess because he was going to get spanked too, but because his actions were having an effect on everyone else.
I'd imagine the thought of letting your team down is a fairly strong deterrent, both in the first grade class room and in team sports.
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Today that will get a school district sued.
Jun 28, 2012, 12:09 PM
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Teacher and Principal fired and sued.
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And that's a shame.***
Jun 28, 2012, 2:12 PM
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Are you serious?
Jun 28, 2012, 4:12 PM
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Spank a whole First grade class because ONE of them did something wrong...
That happened in my Second Grade. I refused to take the licks... they had to call my parents.
We were not a TEAM. We were INDIVIDUALS.
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Orange Blooded [3909]
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If he misses game time, it must be in first game.
Jun 28, 2012, 11:44 AM
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To do otherwise is whimping out.
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First half - then listen to DV roar when he lines up for 2nd***
Jun 28, 2012, 11:46 AM
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Orange Blooded [3909]
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Or the GA dome....***
Jun 28, 2012, 12:16 PM
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Re: Or the GA dome....***
Jun 28, 2012, 5:28 PM
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I think Dabo should say ,We will limit Sammys playing time in our first 3 games!
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Sammy should sit out the Auburn game.
Jun 29, 2012, 9:03 AM
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As much as that hurts to say. He screwed up.
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Re: Sammy should sit out the Auburn game.
Jun 29, 2012, 11:13 AM
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I'll leave this decision up to the coaches that are getting paid 2 million a year to make it.
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CU Guru [1363]
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i think you have to look at the history of the penalty
Jun 29, 2012, 11:19 AM
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for posession. if other schools have sat people out of games, then do that. if what usuck does is the norm (lol!), do that. if you do what everyone else does, you're not gonna catch #### from anyone
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