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All-In [26694]
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Starting In 2014 Under New NC Playoff System, An ACC Team
Dec 10, 2013, 12:17 PM
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will have to go undefeated just to be in serious consideration for one of the top 4 slots to play for the NC, unless the Acc gets much better and ACC teams start playing tougher OOC teams. Strength of schedule is going to be a big factor in picking the final four teams. Had FSU lost a game this season, I don't think they would be playing for the mythical NC. IMO, a one loss FSU would have enabled Auburn, Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan State to be the top 4 teams, and I think the final ranking would have been, Auburn, Michigan State, Alabama, OSU. If FSU does not beat Auburn, it may be a long time before the ACC has another shot at a NC. IMO.
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Doubt it, anyone thinking the the new committee will just
Dec 10, 2013, 12:27 PM
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parrot the ESecPN narrative might just be surprised.
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Re: Starting In 2014 Under New NC Playoff System, An ACC Team
Dec 10, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Don't think anyone yet knows how the selection process will work. Could be top 4 teams, but not necessarily. Some have argued for conference champions in top 4 conferences. Who knows,
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Orange Blooded [2432]
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are you on this site for intelligent conversation?
Dec 10, 2013, 12:33 PM
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we don't like you guys being here with us... Get the hell out
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Re: I follow the rules and behave......
Dec 10, 2013, 12:34 PM
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for the most part.
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110%er [7549]
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nope-- any 1 loss team will put themselves at risk based on
Dec 10, 2013, 12:28 PM
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when they lost vs the others--- Clemson may have been the 4 seed this year had it beaten USC ........
1)FSU
2)Auburn
3)Bama
4)Clemson
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This is correct***
Dec 10, 2013, 12:31 PM
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Bama dropped from 1 to 4 but moved back up with OSU loss
Dec 10, 2013, 12:38 PM
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had there been a 3rd undefeated then Bama would have dropped to 5. Bama lost to another team in the top 5 with 1 second left on the road-- any other team also probably stays in the top 5. Now an argument that the SEC as a whole being overvalued is a justifiable argument as it leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy of mulitple teams in the top 5, 10, 20 etc. that do little out of conference scheduling to show their actual strength during the season
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Agree. It's a matter of starting at the top and the bogus
Dec 10, 2013, 12:42 PM
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rankings of other SEC teams that later are exposed.
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Orange Blooded [2432]
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I just don't believe that we can not figure out a way
Dec 10, 2013, 12:31 PM
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to get 16 teams playoff system going. I really think there is some freaken conspiracy of some sort going on. The fifth or sixth team might be the best team in the nation and just got hot late. Also, we all know that college football wins are not transitional. Point and case is the UGA, Clemson, Usuck games and how they went this year.
It just does not make sense to me why and I hate to say it, but I really think the government ought to look into this and help set it up correctly because the current powers are doing a lousy and suspicious job. Hoping the government will layout a good case against ESPN and SEC. It just does not add up and a two year old can see through this sheeeeeeeeeeeeet.
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Re: I just don't believe that we can not figure out a way
Dec 10, 2013, 12:33 PM
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There is a conspiracy. It is called the Bowl system and the amount of money the conferences receive from those Bowl sponsors.
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Bowls could easily be used to make up the playoffs...***
Dec 10, 2013, 12:39 PM
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Therein lies the rub....
Dec 10, 2013, 12:40 PM
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The bowl games aren't going anywhere.
There will still be bowl games for the majority of teams that do not make the 16-team playoff and the bigger bowl venues would host playoff games.
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So when do we start the hostile take-over?***
Dec 10, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Re: I think this 4-game playoff is simply a precursor....
Dec 10, 2013, 12:46 PM
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if it works and the participating Bowls still make a lot of money (and the conferences also), then you will see it expand to 8 or 16 teams.
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Hopefully !!!***
Dec 10, 2013, 12:52 PM
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Only 8. 2 additional weeks to play. 5 major conference
Dec 10, 2013, 12:38 PM
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champs, 2 at-large and 1 highest-ranked not from the the 5 majors. Simple and non-discriminatory. Instead, it's going to be 'corporate board' decision.
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You have to factor in the additional number of games
Dec 10, 2013, 12:38 PM
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that adds. Each playoff game would be the hardest, most physical game and they come one after the other. Sure, there will be some mismatches, but it's not like adding additional FCS teams to a schedule.
The team that wins the NC might be the one with fewest casualties from a long, brutal playoff in that scenario. Not good in my book. Just my opinion.
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Nick, believe this: I have long believed that sooner, rather
Dec 10, 2013, 12:53 PM
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than later, Congress will involve itself in collegiate athletics if enough schools start screaming loud enough.
There is just too much partisanship in those hallowed (or hollowed...your choice) halls for them not to do so, if one or more thinks their constituency is being slighted. They'll start with hearings, which will include a litany of loud condemnations of the processes, including media involvement...translation: ESPN influence.
And it won't be pretty....
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We can only hope and pray that doesn' happen
Dec 10, 2013, 12:57 PM
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The last thing we want is for Congress to ****-up college football the same way they've managed to ****-up the country.
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Here is a proposal
Dec 10, 2013, 12:57 PM
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Make the two FCS games every year an august game that don't count towards the season.
You have 10 games then for the season and that is it. Have playoff system where the champion crowned from the top 16. You can have the next 16 compete separately (just like the NIT in basketball). You can even have the teams between 32 and 48 rank compete as well in another NIT like and even 49 through 64 compete in a third NIT. However, the champion is from the first 16 teams.
You can have the ball games every year bit on the games and have the cities bit on hosting the games.
Here you go and don't tell anyone that I solved it.
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Standout [310]
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How did you get "bit" from bid.
Dec 10, 2013, 1:17 PM
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The T and D aren't that close together.
Is that a phonetic spelling?
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Orange Blooded [2432]
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LOL - I ain't from around here.. English is my third
Dec 10, 2013, 1:22 PM
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language but football is my first love after my first wife.
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Re: Starting In 2014 Under New NC Playoff System, An ACC Team
Dec 10, 2013, 12:43 PM
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Had Clemson beaten USC they would have definitely been in the top 4 or 5
Had USC beaten Tn they would have played Auburn for the SEC and who knows after that?
Not a good time to be playing what ifs, their what ifs are better than ours this year
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boo hoo
Dec 10, 2013, 12:46 PM
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Everyone has a chance, Clemson is better off than many. Win all your games. There Is an extremely small chance a undefeated Clemson would be left out of a playoff. That could only happen if the sec, PAC, big10, and note dame were also undefeated.
If you don't win all your games then be at the mercy of polls and committees.
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The new process will favor the conference champions in some
Dec 10, 2013, 12:48 PM
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manner. I would guess a champion in the top six or so will take the spot over a non-champion that is in the top four.
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If we had beat South Carolina, we'd probably be in the top 4***
Dec 10, 2013, 12:54 PM
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Re: Starting In 2014 Under New NC Playoff System, An ACC Team
Dec 10, 2013, 12:59 PM
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Florida State will have a great chance next season too. Only losing 2-3 seniors on offense and like 3-4 on defense. They will have their whole RB corps, WR corps (minus Kelvin Benjamin most likely), and Jameis Winston back. After 2014 who knows how FSU will be though. Everyone on their two deep seems to be a junior.
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IMHO, FSU will lose a record # of Jrs to the draft.***
Dec 10, 2013, 1:02 PM
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Orange Blooded [2929]
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People seem to be under the misconception(delusion)
Dec 10, 2013, 1:01 PM
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that the new committee will just use the ESPN, computer, AP and Coaches rankings that exist now to simply choose their top 4. This committee will pick what it perceives to be the top 4. A conference that had 2 embers in it's Championship game this year that were a combined 2-14 in conference play last year just further proves ESPN's homerism.
I'd say the ACC has positioned itself(with 2 BCS bowl,one MNC game and a record setting 11 bowl teams)to move in to the new NON BCS ESPN driven era.
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Re: People seem to be under the misconception(delusion)
Dec 10, 2013, 1:02 PM
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Missouri and Auburn won their games. I don't know why you call that ESPN homerism. I think Alabama is better than Auburn but they lost the game and that's how it worked out.
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Teams don't go from the bottom to the top
Dec 10, 2013, 1:20 PM
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in just one year if the conference was really as strong as ESecPN told it was 24 hours a day for about 8 years now. Simple as that.
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Texas A&M and Mizzou debunked that ESPN spin in
Dec 10, 2013, 1:33 PM
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short order.
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Re: Starting In 2014 Under New NC Playoff System, An ACC Team
Dec 10, 2013, 1:12 PM
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Here's my understand of the Playoff's team selections.
"Special consideration will be given to conference champions." Other factors are SOS, W/L record and head to head matchups.
Special consideration was not a term used in conjunction with the any other criteria. I believe, therefor, a team that wins their conference without a loss will make the cut each and every time. If all five major conferences have undefeated champs it appears SOS would be the next determining factor.
I also believe that one loss teams that win their conference will be chosen over other conference's champions that have two losses. If a conference champ has played the runner up in a game and beaten them I think the runner up will be excluded from the playoff.
It appears that having a CCG will prevent the ACC and SEC from seeding two teams because both have their two best teams in one division.
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That's why we need a true playoff
Dec 10, 2013, 1:17 PM
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11 Conference winners + 5 at large = 16 teams
College Football BIGGEST flaw is that its the only sport that does not have a true playoff ... how it got this way, I don't know .... its so in your face obvious. Again the FCS does it, why can't the "big boys"?
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Re: That's why we need a true playoff
Dec 10, 2013, 1:39 PM
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10 conference champs + 6 at large ... right? There are only ten - or have I lost it? 1 at large spot goes to an Independent.
And I agree- that is exactly how it should be.
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Orange Blooded [4104]
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YOUR RIGHT !
Dec 10, 2013, 2:05 PM
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Silly Me! I was counting the "Independents"! Independents should only be in IF a team is worthy of a wild card slot
10 Conference winners + 6 at large ...
Lets Make It Happen!
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Must be about fifty of these kind of posts a day on TN
Dec 10, 2013, 1:23 PM
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ASSUMPTIONS and we all know what that means.
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110%er [6108]
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No different than this year. Had FSU lost to Clemson
Dec 10, 2013, 1:24 PM
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but beat everybody else, they would not be playing in BCS. If anything, the new system will make FSU and Clemson schedule harder OCC opponents
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Why should Clemson be playing SC and Georgia and
Dec 10, 2013, 1:37 PM
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Bama playing Chattanooga, Colorado St and GEORGIA STATE plus VaTech which was due to playing in Atl. They have a patsy before every big game, every year.
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110%er [6108]
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We play UGA and scar because they are rivals. Alabama's
Dec 10, 2013, 3:44 PM
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rivals are in the same conference
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