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Recent basketball standouts from our state Brad missed
Nov 18, 2022, 5:57 AM
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Below is a list of recent high school basketball talent from our state under Brad’s watch that chose not to attend Clemson. Beside their name is the town they are from and the college they attended.
Zion Williamson Spartanburg / Duke
Ja morant Sumter / Murray State
Josiah James Charleston / Tennessee
Kris Middleton Charleston / Texas AM
We went after Zion hard. We came close but missed.
Why could we not get Josiah or Middleton? Certainly they did not go to basketball college powerhouses. The argument has been made (by others) that they both had long relationships with other coaches by the time brad got involved in their recruitment. How can brad not be the first guy knocking on their door when they live in our state? Instead coaches from other parts of the country steal these two guys from us.
Morant kind of flew under the radar in high school. But if we can’t get 5* guys isn’t that the type of player brad should go after?
Who in here actually knows Brad? Does he have a great personality? We all know how personable Dabo is. How come Brad is such an unknown to many in here even though he has been at Clemson more than a decade?
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Other guys we recruited hard
Nov 18, 2022, 6:29 AM
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Brice Johnson, Sindarius Thornwell. Dozier was a 5 star but always a coot legacy. Seventh Woods, though a bust, never really considered us.
Keeping in-state talent isn't necessarily a Brad issue, it goes way back. Most top tier talent has almost always left the state. PJ was an exception.
Missing on guys like Morant is the frustrating thing. An assistant from Murray St. sees him in an AAU "B" game and sees greatness. He was right to. Plucking those diamonds in the rough is key to our future success in basketball.
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Re: Other guys we recruited hard
Nov 18, 2022, 6:31 AM
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Everyone missed on Morant as he was a late bloomer.
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Murray St. didn't
Nov 18, 2022, 6:35 AM
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He was a star the moment he stepped on the court
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Yes, but it's a little hard to be upset with our coaches
Nov 18, 2022, 11:51 AM
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for not getting Morant when no other power five coaches really looked at him either.
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My argument would be he was in state
Nov 18, 2022, 12:35 PM
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there is no one in state we should not be looking at closely. Anyone who watched him should have been able to see his athleticism. He was a star day one at Murray St., so obviously skills were present also. It's embarrassing for both us and SC a generational talent left the state because neither really recruited him.
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I can't imagine that Morant's skills were obvious
Nov 18, 2022, 1:04 PM
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because our coaches, as well as many other coaches, watched that AAU team that had Zion and Morant on it. If Morant's performance jumped out in any way, you would think that at least one of the many power 5 coaches (which included all of the big names like Duke, UNC, etc.) would have seen something in him. They didn't.
I don't buy the in-state obligation now like I would've 20 or 30 years ago. In the past, recruiting news was scarce and a lot of it was based on proximity. Now, film is available for most any player and travel is easier now than ever. So just because Morant was an in-state guy doesn't obligate our coaches to be more aware of him. Sure, it would've been nice for our coaches to see something in him that no one else did, but expecting that is unfair.
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The Murray St. coach offered him the day he saw him
Nov 18, 2022, 2:13 PM
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didn't even contact the head coach first. On the spot.
Maybe we should hire him
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Re: The Murray St. coach offered him the day he saw him
Nov 22, 2022, 9:24 AM
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I agree with Striperfan.
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Re: Yes, but it's a little hard to be upset with our coaches
Nov 18, 2022, 12:54 PM
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well, we have to get players that other power 5 coaches miss, because we sure are not competing with them for the 5 start and majority of 4 start players. All of our great players here came as diamonds in the rough ...... Nance, Dale Davis, Grant brothers, etc.
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I agree, and that's why Rick Barnes was successful here.
Nov 18, 2022, 11:51 AM
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He saw something in Greg Buckner and Terrell McIntyre that other ACC schools didn't. Those two guys blossomed at Clemson and became stars.
Barnes didn't sign highly touted recruits, he found the ones that flew under the radar.
That was a little easier to do then than it is now, with recruiting being so information-driven and the internet being what it is. But the point still stands. Thanks for making it.
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Lol, how do you come up with these narratives?
Nov 18, 2022, 1:03 PM
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It’s like listening to my ex-wife explain why she won’t let me see her phone
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Yes. It’s not hard for these kids to find a better coach to play for.***
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Nov 18, 2022, 6:29 AM
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Re: Recent basketball standouts from our state Brad missed
Nov 18, 2022, 6:32 AM
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We did not miss on Zion, we were outbid…
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I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 11:53 AM
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until the very end. A lot happened in those final 24 hours leading up to his press conference. I don't claim to know exactly what changed his mind, but he was Clemson bound.
The crap Zion's stepdad said about our coaches losing so much ground with Zion was just fodder for the media.
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Re: I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 12:22 PM
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Then you are far less credible than you pretend to be. I have it on good authority that the family thought they were doing Clemson a favor by even pretending to be interested and it put them in as strong a negotiating position with Duke as feigning interest in another school would have. We were never at any point a serious consideration.
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Re: I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 1:01 PM
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This is a complete lie.
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Re: I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 1:31 PM
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I was on the record on this board that he was a complete lock to Duke from the minute it was even hinted that he was interested in Clemson. What ended up happening? And I did have an “good authority” on this subject - not connected to Clemson - who knew the scoop and was proven 100% correct. I’ll hand it to you - a decade of having nearly every prediction made about our basketball being wrong but you just keep on digging.
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Re: I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 1:47 PM
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Wrong
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Re: I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 2:07 PM
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There is reality and there are Taylor Swift gifs. You probably think flat earthers and anti-vaxxers make solid points.
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Re: I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 5:40 PM
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Taylor swift?
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Re: I have it on good authority that Zion was set to come here
Nov 18, 2022, 6:17 PM
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Sorry, I guess that’s Jennifer Lawrence.
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Re: Recent basketball standouts from our state Brad missed
Nov 18, 2022, 7:56 AM
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Hilarious that people expect us to pick up 5* recruits over Duke when they are paying his family. Kind of an uneven playing field if you ask me.
As for morant, all schools except for 1 missed on him. The Murray st coach was in Kentucky at a small aau event, and he went to get a bag of chips, and randomly saw Morgantown playing a game of 3v3. It was lucky. Are you saying that our coaches should spend more time recruiting lower level aau games and events? Think about the meltdown tigernet would have if we had a commitment from a 0* with no college offers.
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I say yes
Nov 18, 2022, 8:41 AM
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Scour the bushes. There are hidden gems every year. If we aren't going to landc5 stars, we need to explore every path to find talent. Some of our best players were barely recruited. Nance, Grant, Hamilton, Williams, Hammonds, Reed.
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This is exactly the answer, and they know it.
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Nov 18, 2022, 8:52 AM
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No one expects us to have our pick of the highest rated recruits.
But the right coach can get the right players and develop them into a really good team.
We’ve seen it here.
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The best recruiter we've had is Cliff
Nov 18, 2022, 2:11 PM
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he signed studs inside; Campbell, Davis, and Wright being the ones who became first rounders. Jerry Pryor was highly rated and a good player. Wayne Buckingham had his career derailed by injury. Devin Gray was a good player who played in the NBA. Sean Tyson was a good player. He also signed highly rated guards like David Young, Merle Code and Michael Best. Highly rated transfers like Whitney, Tait and Michael Brown. He also signed some underrated guys. Grayson Marshall was rated the second best PG recruited by Cliff in his class at Clemson. A kid named Blackmon was rated higher.
Cliff took chances. We can say culture wasn't his biggest concern. Several ran into discipline issues, Brown, Young and Tyson. But he got them here.
Bill Foster had the eye for underrated guys. Best we've had. Nance, Williams, Hamilton, the Grant's, Anthony Jenkins, Mitchell Wiggins, he saw Murray Jarman playing at Fike one day. He had that knack. Found Cornbread Maxwell and Lew Massey who led UNCC to the Final Four the year after he left for here.
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Re: I say yes
Nov 18, 2022, 8:58 AM
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Just to be clear, ha Morgantown was a once on a generation underrated prospect coming out of high school.
Recruiting and aau is a lot different now than it used to be. All the players you listed havent played for the tigers in 10+ years. The game has changed. It's harder to find an underrated prospect now than it used to be. Also, none of the players you listed were as underrated as Morant.
Hammonds had offers from maryland, Stanford,candy and Clemson
Jerai grant was a top 150 recruit and had offers from Marquette, and notre dame
Reed only had 1 offer and we got him through the portal.
Vernon Hamilton was a 3* top 160 recruit with other offers (I believe uva was one of them)
I would rather us use the portal to get demonstrated underrated prospects, than scour small tourneys to hope to find a generational underrated talent. That seems like a waste of time.
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Horace and Harvey
Nov 18, 2022, 9:07 AM
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not Jerai.
Reed had to go to a small school to get noticed. Everyone missed on him. There are guys like that every year, and you know that. For years Brad wouldn't even recruit the AAU circuit. Thankfully, that's changed. But every avenue to identify talent must be explored for a non blue blood program. Those misses that go to a small school because no one else wanted them need to start their careers at Clemson from time to time.
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Re: Horace and Harvey
Nov 18, 2022, 9:16 AM
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Recruiting back then was way different than it is now.
Do you think we haven't recruited as well as we wanted because of lack of effort? For every generational underrated talent there are thousands of players that don't pan out.
Much like reed, everybody missed out on JA except for Murray st. And they only recruited him out of luck.
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We haven't recruited better because Brad
Nov 18, 2022, 9:54 AM
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is not a great recruiter. It's the weakest part of his resume. I'd rather get a Reed out of high school than face competition when they explode on the scene at a small school. We never offer that type. Ever. Because we don't look for them
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Re: We haven't recruited better because Brad
Nov 18, 2022, 10:12 AM
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You want our coaches to recruit kids that play on lower level aau teams to try and find a diamond in the rough? You do realize that ja morant was probably a 1 out of probably 100,000 underrated talent?
The only reason he has an offer to Murray st is because true coach got lucky, and noticed ho when grabbing a bag of chips. There's a chance that if that didn't happen, nobody would know who morant is right now
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The real questions to answer
Nov 18, 2022, 12:40 PM
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being in state, should we have not seen him play multiple times? As a senior in HS, was the athletic ability visible? Since he was a star, day 1, at Murray ST., shouldn't some skills also have been visible. The Murray St coach may have lucked in to seeing him, but once he did, he offered him on the spot. You telling me an in state kid that stood out that clearly should be missed by us or any in state school? And it doesn't cost much money to drive to Sumter
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He was a 6'2," 160 pound guard who literally had zero stars
Nov 18, 2022, 1:10 PM
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by the recruiting services. He was not even a top 1,000 player in his class (rated 1,230 by MaxPreps, putting him as the 27th best player in South Carolina). Not only that, but he was under six feet tall for much of his high school career, and played in a relatively unimpressive basketball league.
Again, he played AAU with Zion Williamson. Zion was recruited by tons of schools. No one who came to watch Zion seemed impressed by Morant. Expecting our coaches, or any power five coaches, to see a guy like that and see potential in him is asking something I don't think is realistic.
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So only coaches from the OVC can recognize a generational
Nov 18, 2022, 1:50 PM
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talent? Why did he have zero stars? NO ONE WATCHED HIM! Including us. 5'11", 4'4", you're saying this obscure coach was the only one who could see the potential in him? See the athleticism? You saying he didn't drop any of those spectacular passes he does in high school? He was a STAR, day 1. He was in state. He was clearly visible. No one bothered to look, including us
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Because he was a perfect player for a Murray State.
Nov 18, 2022, 4:46 PM
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He had what they look for, but not what power 5 teams look for.
Why did Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Bill Self, and other top coaches who recruited Zion and saw Morant play not see anything in him? Don’t you think they are pretty good at evaluating talent? If it was so obvious, wouldn’t one of the hundreds of power 5 coaches who saw Morant play think he had some potential?
Accusing our coaches of being lazy and not looking hard enough at a guy from Dalzell, SC who was a zero star recruit and not even in the top 1000 nationally is ridiculous. It’s amazing to me that you are choosing to fault our coaches for failing to see his potential when no one else did either.
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Murray St. is quite arguably a better program than us
Nov 18, 2022, 5:52 PM
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he was the #2 pick in the NBA. I'd say that's a fit anywhere.
Roy, and K, and Self don't look for diamonds in the rough. They don't have to, that should be obvious. We have to.
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Coach K and Roy missed on him, why do you expect Brad
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Nov 18, 2022, 2:22 PM
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to be a better talent evaluator than either of those HOFers?
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They never saw him
Nov 18, 2022, 2:38 PM
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we did.
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They recruited Zion Williamson, who played AAU basketball with Morant.
Nov 18, 2022, 4:48 PM
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Of course they saw Morant play.
And like the hundreds if not thousands of coaches and recruiting experts who also saw him play, they weren’t impressed.
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Neither staff EVER attended a single one of Zion's AAU games
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I'm sorry, I just find that incredibly hard to believe
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He didn't play, it's how he was found on a B court
Nov 18, 2022, 5:59 PM
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he was on the team, but hardly played
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Who was the last recruit less than a 3 star
Nov 18, 2022, 12:45 PM
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Josh Smith? And he was about as athletic as I am. He was a necessity for size, not a guy we projected.
Morant very, very clearly was projectable. We have to be on that type guy. Period! Instead we took who, Hudson? A 3 star who never panned out anywhere
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Wait, your solution to our recruiting woes is to look for 2
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stars? That's your beef? That we only recruit 3 stars and higher?
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No, that in 13 years Brad or his staff have identified one
Nov 18, 2022, 6:06 PM
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guy, KJ, who flew under the radar. Even he was a 3 star. They have identified no one other teams have overlooked. They evaluate poorly, because those guys are out there every year
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Re: Horace and Harvey
Nov 18, 2022, 12:37 PM
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Players "that don't pan out" is inexcusable for our football team. Why the free pass for basketball?
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So…what do you think the solution is?
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Nov 18, 2022, 9:11 PM
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You seem to think it’s all a losing battle and we should just accept mediocrity.
Is that the answer?
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Re: So…what do you think the solution is?
Nov 18, 2022, 10:09 AM
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I have never said that or alluded to that.
Don't know what you are talking about.
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You’re saying it without saying the exact words.***
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Re: You’re saying it without saying the exact words.***
Nov 18, 2022, 11:17 AM
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So me not blaming brownell for not getting ja morant is me accepting mediocrity?
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No. It’s more than that.
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Nov 18, 2022, 12:13 PM
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You say…
We can’t get 5-star recruits because we’re Clemson. (Okay fine)
We can’t find hidden gems and develop them, because the game has changed. (Hmmm…another excuse)
We need to try the transfer portal. (Okay but we’ve been doing that for multiple years now, and not gaining any ground).
The only thing left I see is to try a new coach, but you and some others don’t believe it.
So…yes, you’re pretty much saying we are what we are. Oh well.
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Re: No. It’s more than that.
Nov 18, 2022, 1:18 PM
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No....no
It is really hard at Clemson basketball to get 5* recruits, as it is very hard for any ACC football team not named Clemson, FSU, and Miami. It also doesn't help that we don't pay our players. It's not impossible, but it's very hard at Clemson
We can find hidden gems and we have developed our players. I'm sure our staff does evaluation on lower level players. Most AAU teams don't have all big time recruits on their team. JA Morant was discoverd by complete luck. We should try to recruit all types of players. I would just rather them focus on higher rated players.
Yes we need to continue to hit the transfer portal
Yes, if we don't make the tourney this year, I believe we need a new coach.
Your interpretation of my posts is very.....unique
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Re: So…what do you think the solution is?
Nov 18, 2022, 12:38 PM
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Continuing to support Brownell is the same difference. So yes, you have embraced mediocrity.
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Re: So…what do you think the solution is?
Nov 18, 2022, 1:39 PM
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Lmao. If I'm not a whiney baby like you, I've embraced mediocrity.
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Re: I say yes
Nov 18, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Larry nance was a good friend in college. He grew 6 inches or so from his signing to when he arrived. A great player and person.
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Exactly.
Nov 18, 2022, 11:55 AM
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People need to make up their minds as to whether we don't offer enough 5 star players or don't find enough diamonds in the rough.
Expecting us to do all of that is going to require more program funding, which most people here seem to be against because they think basketball is supported just fine now.
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Nov 18, 2022, 12:18 PM
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Brownell doesn’t get paid enough to recruit highly rated players AND look for other players.
That’s just way too hard, and he’s gotta be home for dinner by 6:00.
How do you lunatics expect him to do all this?
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How much does it cost to drive to Sumter?
Nov 18, 2022, 12:48 PM
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Budget played no bearing with Morant. Our best teams always had under the radar guys. We hardly ever sign 5 stars. Where do you think the answer lies?
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Re: How much does it cost to drive to Sumter?
Nov 18, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Well we had an assistant driving to Spartanburg every day even during dead periods without Brownell supposedly knowing so it may not have been in the budget
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I am confident that our coaches knew about Morant
Nov 18, 2022, 1:14 PM
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or had at least seen him play AAU basketball with Zion Williamson. Morant obviously didn't impress anyone, on our staff or on any other power five staff. A bunch of people who scout for a living saw him play, and didn't see anything there.
Sometimes guys just fly under the radar, and it's no one's fault that they weren't discovered sooner.
If you want our coaches to look for diamonds in the rough, I think you would see us fail to get the high 3-star, low 4-star guys we typically get and we would be panicking to fill out our roster with guys who aren't power 5 caliber players. Brad's a very good coach, but I don't feel good about him keeping us competitive with players of that caliber. Sure, we might hit on one, but odds are that they will mostly be misses who have no business playing at Clemson.
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Knew of and knowing are two different things
Nov 18, 2022, 2:50 PM
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he hardly played with Zion. Higher rated players surrounded him. It took seeing him actually play by one guy. One time. That's all it took to sign him on the spot. You saying he had a fluke day yet somehow was a star his first day at Murray St.? You telling me his high school coach didn't reach out to in-state schools and tell them you need to take a close look at this guy?
SC does not produce much elite talent. The higher rated guys almost exclusively leave the state. But there are guys who were not highly rated who go elsewhere on a regular basis and become really good players, even stars. Guys we don't even consider.
Brad just does not have the gift of spotting that type player. KJ is his only one
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Re: Recent basketball standouts from our state Brad missed
Nov 18, 2022, 8:22 AM
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So. Name coach other not named K, that got a huge percent of the players he wanted.
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Re: Recent basketball standouts from our state Brad missed
Nov 18, 2022, 8:50 AM
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While I am certainly not a Brad fan - missing on players happens. Especially when Clemson’s dedication to winning basketball - by allowing our coach to stay this long while not having success. Players want to go to programs with a probability of winning and competing for championships - not being happy with finishing “above reporters expectations”.
This is exactly why we need a new leader for our program. New energy, excitement, a chance to get out of the bottom to middle of the really poor (these days) ACC.
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Brad was among the first power five coaches to offer
Nov 18, 2022, 10:02 AM
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Josiah James a scholarship in 2016. Most other schools jumped on board in 2017 and 2018. As you probably know, his final three was Clemson, Duke, and Tennessee. He said that he chose Tennessee because he wanted to create his own legacy somewhere different.
He was a 5 star guard who we obviously would've loved to have, but he hasn't been a program changer at Tennessee. His field goal percentage throughout his career has been in the high 30% range, including a three point percentage in the low 30% range. He has good length and is a good rebounder for a guard, so his versatility would've been nice. I'd honestly rather have Chase Hunter based on what I'm seeing right now.
Kris Middleton was in the class of 2009, prior to Brownell. He wasn't heavily recruited by Clemson. That's on Purnell, not Brownell, but it's funny that you are trying to blame Brownell for something that was out of his control. Typical TNet strategy.
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As usual, facts here result in crickets.
Nov 18, 2022, 11:49 AM
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If you don't think Brownell is the right coach for Clemson basketball, that's fine. But don't claim that Brad didn't offer Josiah James early and recruit him hard, because he did.
And my goodness, definitely don't blame Brownell for not getting a player who was a recruit when Purnell was here.
The anti-Brad agenda knows no bounds here.
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I have an offer out to Giselle right now***
Nov 18, 2022, 12:49 PM
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Brownlee has squandered his time here***
Nov 18, 2022, 12:43 PM
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Look at our basketball recruiting rankings and how they rank
Nov 18, 2022, 1:19 PM
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in the ACC, then look at where we finish in the ACC standings. You'll see that we finish above where our recruiting ranking should suggest.
That isn't squandering talent at all. That's getting more out of your talent than would be expected. That's what good coaching and player development will do for you.
Our issue isn't developing players, or getting them to have some level of success. We typically punch above our weight class in basketball. Our issue is recruiting better players, and that's why facilities, assistant coaches on staff, and program funding in general are so important. We know Brad isn't a great recruiter, so having assistants who are really good at it matter.
Evidence of this is in football, where we've seen a drop off in recruiting after losing some key assistants. The head coach can't do it all by himself, and that's even with outstanding facilities and a track record of high level success in the recent past.
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Nobody gives a ####. Recruit better. Play better. Win more
Nov 18, 2022, 1:21 PM
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games. That's the bottom line.
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Re: Nobody gives a ####. Recruit better. Play better. Win more
Nov 18, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Exactly. We don’t care if the have 0 stars or 5. Have them play as a team, win as a team. Be exciting.
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You’re right, nobody gives a ####. That’s why we have pathetic fan turnout
Nov 18, 2022, 4:52 PM
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for many of our home games, with the best effort most of our fans can summon being complaining about it on a message board.
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Stop blaming fans for a bad product***
Nov 18, 2022, 5:08 PM
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So you don’t think having a packed Death Valley helps our football team?
Nov 18, 2022, 5:10 PM
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You don’t think it also impresses recruits?
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Winning impresses recruits***
Nov 18, 2022, 6:00 PM
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If you worship Brad you don't know what success looks like***
Nov 18, 2022, 1:43 PM
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Clemson football recruiting has been littered with highly
Nov 18, 2022, 2:37 PM
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rated players who did not pan out. It also has a long tradition of identifying guys not so highly rated. Renfrow, Sensabaugh, Grisham, Gallman, Jarrett, Humphries, Leggett, Goodson, Tankersley, Shatley, Greene, Reader, Wallace, ETN, Spector, and those are just the ones who have played in the NFL. It doesn't touch on the countless guys who were major contributors to championship teams. Ruke this year is a guy who will play in the NFL.
Name one guy other than KJ who was basically overlooked by most schools Brad has recruited who became a star? But you actually have to look for that type player and see them 2-3 years down the road. We knew of Morant, and couldn't see him 6 months down the road.
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Re: Clemson football recruiting has been littered with highly
Nov 18, 2022, 3:28 PM
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A couple points.
- comparing basketball and football is dumb: there are a lot more football recruits than football recruits.
- why are you listing football players that were not overlooked in football, and trying to say they were? Wayne gallman had offers from auburn and Georgia. Cordrea tankersly had offers from USC and Miami. Dj reader had offers from many power 5 schools. Etiennw had offers from Bama and every other powerhouse acc school. What a ridiculous post!!
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None until late
Nov 18, 2022, 3:44 PM
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we beat out Maryland for Reader. ETN wasn't offered by anyone of note until we offered.
Sure football has more signees. But in 13 years of recruiting, who has Brad identified who flew under the radar in high school other than KJ?
Stars are useful, but in all sports, we know they are inaccurate many times. Recruiting services scout camps and AAU circuits, not games so much. Coaches should scout games. I'd like to know how many times we saw Morant play in high school. Wouldn't you? Think of how many guys in football we'd never have noticed if we hadn't seen them play, because those guys weren't at any elite camps.
Brad is a good coach, but recruiting is not his strength. And he has not shown a knack for identifying guys who weren't highly rated. How many elite shooters has he recruited? How many did and does Mike Young recruit? And he ain't signing 5 stars
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Re: None until late
Nov 18, 2022, 4:29 PM
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You simply do not know why you are talking abou.
Etienne was commited to Texas a&m and then decommited . He had offers from bama, TCU, LSU, Oregon and all the sec schools all before Clemson. We already had a running back and didn't have the grades. We swooped in at the last second and snagged him. We were won of the last to offer. Helluva get.
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Do you know why football can find some unheralded recruits from time to time?
Nov 18, 2022, 5:09 PM
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BECAUSE WE PAY OUR COACHES MORE THAN MOST OTHER PROGRAMS PAY THEIRS.
Better qualified coaches, along with tons of money spent on support staff, means that more of those diamonds in the rough can be identified, contacted, and recruited.
This is really not complicated.
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Those things were earned. Not given***
Nov 18, 2022, 5:11 PM
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All of those 2 and 3 star football recruits happened after we had an expensive coaching staff.***
Nov 18, 2022, 5:27 PM
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No they didn't
Nov 18, 2022, 6:02 PM
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Grisham didn't. Humphries didn't. Sensabaugh didn't. Jarrett didn't. Dabo was taking less money then to pay assistants! I just listed those who played in the NFL. You should check out those first 3-4 classes. A few stars, but mostly guys who came in and just played hard nosed football.
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You're worse than the government
Nov 18, 2022, 5:47 PM
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more money solves everything. There are far more football recruits than basketball recruits. What are the odds that in 13 years you can find only one guy who it can be said of was an under the radar recruit? And even KJ had an SEC offer from Mizzou. Not one other guy.
Brad's biggest weakness has always been recruiting. Part of that is not having an eye for the underrated guy. Bluebloods don't need that guy. Clemson does and likely always will
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Re: Recent basketball standouts from our state Brad missed
Nov 18, 2022, 3:47 PM
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Being here in Sumter and going to quite a few Sumter High games, I kept wondering why Ja didn't get more recognition did he did, he was alot smaller then and figured size was a part of it. But man, I was hoping we'd offer him.
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Re: Recent basketball standouts from our state Brad missed
Nov 18, 2022, 4:20 PM
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If you can handle the ball and play defense, you can play in any league at any level. Regardless of his size, you mean to tell me that Ja could neither handle the ball or play defense during his high school career. For his last two years in high school he averaged 27 points, so we knew that he could score. Unforgivable not offering him in my opinion. Seems like once in a while we would luck into some unheralded players like maybe St. Peters, Florida Gulf Coast, or some other small schools that shouldn't be able to hold our jock straps.
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Biggest recruiting blunder since Xavier McDaniel
Nov 18, 2022, 4:35 PM
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wound up at Wichita St. I'm also assuming in spite of his size, his athleticism and skill was pretty apparent in high school since you saw him regularly.
I'm glad Rick Barnes took a shot on an undersized PG named McIntyre. Imagine if Boogie had grown 5 inches?
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