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How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine
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Apr 15, 2023, 10:29 AM
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was a lie? Today we learn Zelensky skimmed at least $400 million off the top for himself. Our tax dollars at work.
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Re: How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine
Apr 15, 2023, 2:29 PM
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So I went looking. These allegations were first reported by TASS, based on claims by Seymour Hersch. The only publications that seem to have bit on it are Indian ones like Hindustan Times.
Hersch is absolutely bananas. Just last month he was claiming the US blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. It's looking more and more like it was probably a crew of Russians and Ukrainians who seem to have been financed by Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the onetime richest man in Russia who got jailed for almost 10 years for dubious tax evasion charges, and who had a big chunk - but certainly not all! - of his vast oil fortune pilfered by Putin.
But hey. It suits your beliefs, so go with it. But Hersch's track record the last 10-15 years suggests he's gone clean off the deep end.
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It was the US that blew up the pipeline. It was not some Ukrainians
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Apr 15, 2023, 7:41 PM
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On a raft, lol
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Re: How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine
Apr 15, 2023, 8:03 PM
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To your credit, you did the work to research some of the ‘skim’ conjecture; I haven’t specifically done so.
My conjecture about Zelenskyy’s skimming comes from the reports of his acquisition of various extremely expensive ‘toys’; my conjecture about Biden’s skimming had begun with his VP era ‘if you (Ukraine) doesn’t fire the prosecutor of Hunter, then Ukraine isn’t getting the ~ $1B in aid’ … followed by the prosecutor getting fired. The FBI’s Clousou-esque investigations of the Hunter Biden laptop supports (but doesn’t prove) my strong suspicion that the FBI is covering up for Biden family’s corrupt dealings with the Ukraine. The fact that the other Biden admin’s people or political supporters avoid the legitimate suspicions about skimming indicates to me that they, too, are in on the action.
Discrediting both Seymour Hersch (somewhat understandable) and the Hindustan Times (why?) as reason to ignore the skimming allegations seems extreme.
I do understand why you don’t want too much public to erode as far as supporting the war, but disagree with you in that growing skepticism (about our expanding expectations as far as the ‘good’ outcome from the war) is a bad thing.
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Re: How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine
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Apr 15, 2023, 7:26 PM
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Skimming is the world’s second oldest profession.
Only propagandists will assert that Zelenskyy is not skimming. (It’s understandable that supporters of Ukraine’s side don’t want to get into this; it also isn’t a lie if the help Ukraine hawks don’t proactively say that Zelenskyy isn’t skimming. Does that seem clear?)
The sorry state of affairs as far as Americans quietly condoning skimming isn’t anything new. Not long ago, I had finished reading Rick Atkinson’s final volume in his WW2 trilogy “Guns at Last Light.”
He reported that at one point before the American forces finally breached the Seigfried Line that ~25% of American supplies had been skimmed off and sold on the black markets of France, Belgium, and Holland. This skimming was done by American servicemen; some of our struggles preceding to and during the Battle of the Bulge were attributed to shortages of supplies.
(*). I’ve got growing concerns that American politicians, bureaucrats,and industrialists are keeping the war going at a steady bleed rate so that their profiteering gravy train can continue.
(*). I’m also concerned that American politicians are bragging too much about whooping the Russians. There is no useful military or diplomatic benefit from this verbal chest beating.
(*). If our politicians would be less braggadocio about our role in the UKR / RUS war, then I could stomach the skimming more easily. I’m afraid, however, that we are talking ourselves into believing that our verbal BS (and corresponding enrichment of big shots via the quiet skimming) will be effective in either overthrowing Putin &/or getting Russia to relinquish Crimea.
(***). We’re letting our big talk + sense of entitlement for skimmed wealth delude us into understating what Russia might do if they really feel threatened too much. Biden’s diplomatic record has been very poor. His handlers aren’t giving him good enough advice.
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His handlers are the ones handling the skimming...***
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Apr 16, 2023, 6:20 AM
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Re: How does it feel to know everything they said about Ukraine
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Apr 16, 2023, 9:56 AM
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Don't forget the second part. Hes skimming and then funneling the part of the cash back to the Democrats. Money laundering 101.
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Props to Biden I guess
Apr 16, 2023, 10:37 AM
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To be able to cover up such a massive operation. Just think of the number of people involved in the DoD, USAID, and on the Ukrainian side.
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Re: Props to Biden: Here’s how crime org works
Apr 16, 2023, 9:32 PM
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The time-honored way to cover it up is taken from the mafia and gangsters playbook:
(1). Spread around a taste of the corruption-acquired wealth to others. These ‘others’ are the new recruits into the crime organization. (2). Encourage the new recruits to ‘get their hands dirty’ by committing a crime (which leaves with it a trail of evidence); the new recruits ‘earn’ a nice financial payout. (3). The ‘new recruits’ are now vetted by the crime organization as a trusted confederate. (4). The trusted confederate is now enlisted to utilize his ‘field of expertise’ to earn a really big payout. (5). If the ‘confederate’ develops a conscience, he will be afraid to exercise his conscience to the detriment of the crime family.
Carrot and stick.
Reward for criminal activity ($$$$). Punishment for ‘coming clean’ (the crime family has all it needs to expose the ‘man of conscience’ by revealing the evidence of his previously committed crimes).
That’s how it works.
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We should never have sent them any money or weapons to begin with.***
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Apr 16, 2023, 10:09 PM
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