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Oculus Spirit [83161]
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How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
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Feb 19, 2024, 9:11 AM
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"This past week, Trump endorsed Michael Whatley, the head of the North Carolina state GOP, to be the RNC’s next chair. He also endorsed his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, to serve as co-chair and Chris LaCivita, a senior adviser to his campaign, to serve as the RNC’s chief operating officer."
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/17/haley-rnc-trump-money-00142050
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
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Feb 19, 2024, 9:50 AM
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Trumpers won't care. Plain and simple. He can do no wrong and there's always an excuse.
For the rest of us, he's lost it. He's in it only for himself.
He seems himself as the victim in every way and therefore he is entitled to whatever relief he can get - whether it's from the RNC or his campaign contributions or whatever. No matter the allegation - however true or false (and there is plenty of both) - it wasn't his fault!! They're all out to get him! Yes - ALL - every news outlet (except his own), every judge (except those he appointed), every politician (except those who have endorsed him). But the way he spins it - "they're not out to get me! They're out to get YOU! But they have to go through me to do it!" - is genius. Now he projects that victim mentality to his supporters and he becomes the great savior and therefore gets undying and unquestioning loyalty.
He has zero interest in doing what's best for the country. If he did, he wouldn't be running. His only interest is in doing what's best for himself. He wants to vindicate himself. His political platforms are there only to get support and to develop loyalty. He doesn't really care about those things. Only the support he gets from them.
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Successive electoral failures in the Senate/House have proven
Feb 19, 2024, 10:00 AM
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MAGA only cares about Trump winning.
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
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Feb 19, 2024, 11:19 AM
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I think it’s hilarious. I’ve said for years that Trump is not a republican and not a conservative.
He is a reality TV star and washed up real estate developer / con artist that has hijacked the republican party. The GOP will regret this in the near future.
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
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Feb 19, 2024, 2:13 PM
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You are correct in that Trump has never fit the traditional (political) definition of Republican or Conservative. In case you’ve been hibernating for the past 9 years, Trump’s popularity is precisely because he is NOT similar to the crony capitalist politicians that had traditionally been the leaders of edtablishment Republicans. (More recently, crony capitalist politics have been perfected by the post-Clinton-era Democrat party. Today’s Democrat party is completely dominated by crony capitalist policies that are wrapped up in social justice clothing.) Or is this new to you?
Do you really believe that Trump is “washed up” as a real estate developer? Or are you just writing that because, despite the avalanche of invectives directed towards Trump by the TDS crowd -&- Uniparty politicians / political interests, has failed to reverse the gradual, inexorable growth in Trump’s popularity as a POTUS candidate?
As for con artist, Trump’s Trump University is as close as he’s come to a ‘con.’ I thought that Trump University was absurd, but I believed then … and still do today … that Trump’s ego convinced him that he could impart valuable knowledge to his students. With respect to the dearth of skills among Americans regarding the conduct of negotiations, I believe that Trump indeed possesses rare skills in this area.
What else do you have to support your “con artist” invective?
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
Feb 19, 2024, 5:31 PM
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We get it, you like being conned.
Don the con, the greatest to ever do it.
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Hes not even good at it, thats the funnies/saddest
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Feb 19, 2024, 5:48 PM
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part of it. It’s so obvious to normal people that he’s only in it for himself, and doesn’t care about any of his followers. He’s not good at hiding it. But the rubes are blind to it somehow.
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Re: Hes not even good at it, thats the funnies/saddest
Feb 19, 2024, 7:46 PM
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Where’s the beef?
All I’m seeing from you is hat. No cattle.
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Back in 2016, I could understand a vote for Trump.....
Feb 19, 2024, 7:24 PM
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Alot of people didn't like Hillary, and Trump represented a break from politics as usual.
But after January 6, 2021, we now ALL KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's an authoritarian who hates Democracy.
Anyone who votes for him in 2024 knows what they'll be getting, and they will be to blame if we descend into something akin to Fascism. We've been warned.
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Re: Back in 2016, I could understand a vote for Trump.....
Feb 19, 2024, 8:15 PM
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You haven’t been paying attention. Long post needed here to explain one (and only one of several) error in your ‘shadow of a doubt’ belief.
The new (and as yet, only partially released … thanks to FedSurrection master Mitch McConnell) video footage from J6 clearly reveals that the large majority of J6 protesters who actually made it inside the Capitol Building were peaceful. This majority strolled through the Capitol Bldg, often escorted by unconcerned Capitol City police. This same majority, when in areas where the velvet ‘ropes’ were in place to channel the visitors to remain in the middle of of hallways, passively stayed within the velvet ropes. Many among this majority of inside-the-building J6’ers were arrested, convicted, and imprisoned on the charges of trespassing -&-corruptly disrupting an official proceeding. It was this latter charge by which this majority of inside-the-Capitol-Bldg J6 protesters were imprisoned.
(*). DoJ is terrified that SCOTUS will strike the charges of ‘corruptly disrupting an official proceeding’ because the case history for this offense was the outcome of the Enron investigation, and resulted in several Enron executives going to prison. There was no inference of violence about any of the convicted Enron employees, nor has there been any allegation of violence from the large majority of the ‘inside-the-Capitol-Bldg J6 protesters. The DoJ misused the Enron statute to invent a charge by which the J6 protesters could be imprisoned; the D.C. Circuit judges were either too lazy to research case law, or were colluding with the DoJ to wrongly imprison this large subset of J6 protesters.
(*). SCOTUS has already committed to review this abuse of the ‘corruptly disrupting an official proceeding’ statute; even the DoJ has altered their new indictments to exclude this (previously abused by them) statute.
(*). The net result, which will take place several months before Election Day, is that the federal government, via a conspiracy between the FBI & DoJ … and (maybe also) the D.C. District Court to wrongly imprison a bunch of peaceful J6 protesters for what will be correctly perceived by the American public as political persecution of American civilians whose crime was to be Trump supporters.
It’s coming.
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Standout [321]
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You didnt even say what the net result will be.
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Feb 19, 2024, 10:04 PM
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You just wrote a long, rambling, incomplete sentence.
I’m sure, however, that whatever result you think will happen will not come to fruition.
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Trump supporters probably think Mexico is paying for it.***
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Feb 19, 2024, 11:22 AM
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
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Feb 19, 2024, 11:26 AM
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The manifestly corrupt law suits against Trump are driven by Trump’s political opponents.
Since the lawsuits are political, it is perfectly legitimate to use campaign funds to defend against these lawsuits.
(This your opportunity … one lawsuit at a time … to make your case as to why they are NOT political in purpose.)
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^^^^this***
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Feb 19, 2024, 1:44 PM
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Umm...N.Y. literally changed the law for a "one time" civil suit
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Feb 19, 2024, 1:52 PM
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for Carroll. THIS was only done for DJT. If you think otherwise, you are a moron.
**You know who had actual evidence and witnesses? Tara Reade did.
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wait wait wait....explain more about this please...
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Feb 19, 2024, 2:12 PM
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first, the original suit by Carroll was brought for defamation in 2019, 3 yrs before the Adult Survivors Act was passed in NY in 2022.
2nd, the Adult Survivors Act was not passed specifically to go after Trump. Not sure where you heard that. That's just a wild claim based on nothing. The ASA was modeled after a prior law concerning child abuse in NY. There were similar laws passed in other states like the ASA...NC is the one I remember the most. All of those specifically targeting Trump too?
I believe the moron here is the one who wrote "If you think otherwise, you are a moron."
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NY ASA was obviously to get Trump; nothing like NCs ASA law
Feb 19, 2024, 2:50 PM
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Surely, you are not being sincere with your assertion that “the Adult Survivors Act was not passed specifically to go after Trump.”
Here are the details, some of which you partially captured, but some of which you (conveniently?) neglected.
E.Jean Carroll’s defamation suit was the first one; this got started after Trump went public that Ms. Carroll was FOS with her cover story in NY Magazine, in which the cover of a 2019 issue had a photo of the (now old) Ms.Carroll wearing a specific dress, with the magazine cover ‘caption’ being something similar to ‘this is the dress that I was wearing when Donald Trump sexually assaulted me 23 years ago.’ Trump publicly blasted Ms. Carroll (justifiably so, since the dress that Ms. Carroll was wearing had not even been designed, much less available for sale, until several years AFTER 1996).
Thus, Ms.Carroll’s defamation suit languished in court, but was never resolved.
Circumstantially, in 2022 when Trump started hinting about making a run to return to the WH, panic started setting in on the Democrats. For some reason, Biden admin’s policies to create high inflation rates and horrific foreign policy mistakes were not being well received by the American public. Go figure. Thus, the narrative by short sighted Democrat thought leaders was to go public with ‘Trump would not end up facing lawsuits if he just decided to go away and stay out of politics.’ Trump didn’t go away.
Enter the NY State Adult Survivors Act, which ‘coincidentally’ extended the statute of limitations to cover 1996, and when Ms. Carroll had gathered up big money Democrat agenda financiers supporters to fund her lawsuit and high powered Democrat supporter lawyers to be able to wage full scale LawFare in Trump.
So, the ‘sexual assault’ case ended up going first … filed just in time to fit within this limited duration for when the NY ASA act was in effect.
Occam’s razor favors the argument which is not dependent on a large number of assumptions and coincidences; there are simply too many coincidences in the Trump vs Carroll suits to deem as circumstantial.
BTW, your attempt to conflate the ASA argument by including NC’s ASA doesn’t work. NC’s ASA law pertains to the testing backlog of old ‘r_ _e test kits’ … I.e., actual forensic evidence … that had not been technically able to have been tested previously, but for which ‘testing technology’ is now available. The NC ASA does not pertain to hearsay sexual assault allegations from years before the statute of limitations had elapsed.
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flow provided evidence that the ASA was passed among a nationwide trend for
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Feb 19, 2024, 3:06 PM
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such bills, and is modeled after similar legislation passed in 2019. It was also passed unanimously by the Senate. Do you have more than you asserted personal opinion as evidence this is not the case?
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So, the only "evidence" you have that the law was all to do with Trump...
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Feb 19, 2024, 3:06 PM
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is because it went back to the year in which he sexually assaulted Carroll?
"Enter the NY State Adult Survivors Act, which ‘coincidentally’ extended the statute of limitations to cover 1996, and when Ms. Carroll had gathered up big money Democrat agenda financiers supporters to fund her lawsuit and high powered Democrat supporter lawyers to be able to wage full scale LawFare in Trump."
The NY ASA allowed a loop-back period of 1 year where victims could sue with no statute of limitations.
Maybe you're thinking of the 2019 NY that extended the statute of limitations to 20 years for civil suits. Before that it was 3 years.
Some ~3000 suits were filed under the ASA.
To be frank...I think you're making stuff up and talking out of your #### again. There is zero proof (let alone logic) that the NY ASA had anything to do with Trump.
Similar acts were passed by many states. I was shooting from memory on NC (as I noted). I knew it was multiple states around the 2022/2023 time frame. Quick search shows CA, and AZ with similar laws...CA was a 3-year open period.
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ASA has been a very costly bill for New York, and they knew it would be
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Feb 19, 2024, 5:17 PM
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They've been opened up as a defendant in countless suits filed by current and former female inmates who said they were raped by guards.
You're arguing they opened themselves up to that just to take out Trump?
As Flow noted, there were thousands of players in this legislation and the suits that have followed. Trump's just happens to be one.
But I like how your argument isn't that Trump is innocent of sexual abuse; it's instead, "Der herp they changed the law to make it easier to sue just because it's Trump!"
Amoral people once again defending an amoral man.
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Re: ASA has been a very costly bill for New York, and they knew it would be
Feb 19, 2024, 8:36 PM
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If justice was / is NY Stare’s true objective, then they would have adopted a ASA law that was more reflective of NC’s ASA law. In other words, without the brief window in which assault victims could file their previously-too-late-to-fall-within-the-statute-of-limitations claims.
Instead, NY’s ASA / partial increasing the bygone years window statute of limitations was given a window if ~ one year. After that ~ one year window had passed, the previous NY statute of limitations rules would go back into effect.
(*). It is this aspect of ‘wider window’ in which older-than-normal statute of limitations would be accepted by NY’s court system that reeks of politics. It is absurd to expect that any more than a small minority of very-old-r_ _e victims would even be aware of this NY State ASA extension of the statute of limitations window. The wealthy NY residents and those who were politically connected, however, would likely be aware because this demographic typically has a relationship with lawyers.
(?). If true justice was NY State’s objective, then why did the ‘window’ remain open for such a short period of time. Don’t B.S. anyone that budget concerns are the cause. NY State had spent millions of $$$s to house, feed, and arrest & release illegal immigrants in NY. NY State simply needs to prioritize its spending.
BTW, as for your infatuation with use of ‘amoral’ to describe people who defend Trump, you are being ridiculous. Also, racist, since Tim Scot and Ben Carson and ~ 20% (and growing daily) of black people -&- > 50% of Latinos have become Trump supporters.
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1 year is not "brief" - also, how do you square your claim...
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Feb 20, 2024, 8:22 AM
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that not many will know about it with the fact that ~3000 cases were filed. That makes 0 since.
"It is absurd to expect that any more than a small minority of very-old-r_ _e victims would even be aware of this NY State ASA extension of the statute of limitations window."
Why is that absurd? I knew about it and I'm not a very old rape victim in NY.
Might be time to admit you're grasping here and that you were just making stuff/repeating someone you heard making stuff up.
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Lotta silly in here
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Feb 20, 2024, 8:35 AM
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So, to review, your argument is that the state of New York passed a law SOLELY to screw Donald Trump over in a lawsuit? A law that produced thousands and thousands of suits, but they ONLY did it just to screw over Trump? Yet did it so quietly that no one leaked it to the media that this was the motive for passing a statewide law that would cost millions and millions?
Do you not understand how absurd that claim is?
BTW, as for your infatuation with use of ‘amoral’ to describe people who defend Trump, you are being ridiculous. Also, racist, since Tim Scot and Ben Carson and ~ 20% (and growing daily) of black people -&- > 50% of Latinos have become Trump supporters.
Stop being an idiot. Pointing out to a black person that they're amoral for adoring and compromising their integrity to a man like Donald Trump isn't racist. Tim Scott has no spine.
I call you amoral because you blindly defend the horrific actions of Trump, you believe he isn't a phony, and you worship this pathetic excuse of a man all the while pretending (like Trump does) that you're a Christian. And let's not forget how you got banned for suggesting that another poster on here has sexual relations with his minor daughter. You're scum.
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Of course you do...because you're ill-informed...
Feb 19, 2024, 3:08 PM
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give me some facts...or admit you're the real moron in this equation.
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Re: Of course you do...because you're ill-informed...
Feb 19, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Reread the entire thread. Enjoy the facts.
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You listed absolutely 0 facts and not even a really good....
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Feb 20, 2024, 6:22 AM
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theory
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Literally his fact is...
Feb 20, 2024, 8:36 AM
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"Der herp the entire NY state legislature came together to pass this massive sexual abuse law only to screw over Trump. Cause anything that goes against Trump is Deep State conspiracy!"
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So you, a Republican...
Feb 19, 2024, 5:20 PM
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Hope that the RNC will drain its coffers to defend this man baby who likely won't win the election and won't live much longer, therefore hurting their ability to support candidates and challenge the Dems down the road.
Good strategy. You're a smart one.
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Re: So you, a Republican...
Feb 19, 2024, 8:51 PM
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If the Uniparty can figure out a way to convict Trump of the J6 indictment, then you might get your wish. His victory in the Supreme Court to overturn the (corrupt) D.C. Court’s conviction won’t come before the election has taken place.
The big question is whether the J6 case actually concludes … or even starts … before the election takes place.
If the scenario in my second sentence appears likely, then I’m very fearful that the FBI or CIA will engineer a ‘random act of violence from a deranged MAGAt’ to severely disable … or worse … Trump.
The TDS demographic are just lazy dupes; I don’t believe that they are action-oriented enough to carry out coordinated acts of violence without FBI or CIA subcontractors to organize and train them.
The federal bureaucracy, on the other hand, recognized Trump as the most serious threat to their bureaucracy largess. I do not believe that the bureaucracy will allow Trump to win. The bureaucracy is motivated by the loss of the carrot (I.e., their cushy carriers … at least for some of the agencies … will become less cushy) -and- the onset of the stick (I.e., investigations into criminal behavior that might end up in job loss, fines, or imprisonment). The bureaucracy has the most at stake with regard to a potential Trump presudency.
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So the "uniparty" is out to destroy Trump...
Feb 20, 2024, 8:37 AM
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But half that "uniparty" is now paying his legal bills.
Okay.
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
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Feb 19, 2024, 12:07 PM
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There’s a simple answer. The RNC should just say no.
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
Feb 19, 2024, 1:54 PM
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You’re an honest guy … do you believe that some (or any)) of the flurry of lawsuits against Trump since 2021 had been initiated as a component of politically motivated tactics to diminish Trump’s political ambitions?
If your answer is ‘yes’ to even one of them, I.e., Trump is being selectively targeted in lawsuits to impair his political chances / ability to campaign without interference, then why wouldn’t use of RNC funds to fight off illegitimate lawsuits be a correct use of those funds?
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
Feb 19, 2024, 4:05 PM
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I think even the most ardent Trump hater would begrudgingly acknowledge (to themselves never in public) that if Trump had ridden off into the sunset politically in 2021 none of these nonsensical lawsuits would have even been filed, much less brought to trial. However, having said that, leftists have absolutely no problem with political prosecutions and would loudly and proudly cheer a death sentence on Trump which was carried out by FBI agents on his front lawn on live TV so you aren't exactly attempting to engage in a discussion with sane normal people.
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
Feb 19, 2024, 9:16 PM
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Leftists everywhere, including many of TNet’s lefties, have asserted the same … generally speaking. The difference, back in 2022, is that the lefties earnestly believed that politically motivated lawsuits were appropriate as long as they discouraged Trump from running.
Interestingly enough, now that the LawFare against Trump is in full swing, leftists everywhere are silent about their previous beliefs that politically motivated lawsuits are a justifiable tactic to achieve a desired end. Even these leftists realize that these politically motivated lawsuits, now that they’ve been launched, are at risk of being decided in Trump’s favor simply on the basis of being politically motivated. Therefore, the leftists of 2024 have become silent about their 2022 vintage endorsement of politically driven LawFare. Whether their silence is out of embarrassment for having previously spoken truthfully has exposed their immorality (via disregard for true justice in the finest traditions of America), or because they want to do their part to propagandize independent voters into not recognizing the dirty means through the leftists hope to achieve electoral victory, who knows? It may be a combination of the two.
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Maybe Dr. David knows.***
Feb 19, 2024, 5:17 PM
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Actually she said rape. The kangaroo court said abuse.
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Feb 19, 2024, 7:43 PM
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So what was the abuse that would have confused a woman that thought she was raped? Weird. Or maybe the trumps ran a train on her like Blasey-Ford.
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Did he lose in court or not?***
Feb 20, 2024, 8:37 AM
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Re: I'll defer to the court case that found him guilty.
Feb 19, 2024, 9:34 PM
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You cited what amounts to an opinion piece, as far as actual case evidence. Okey dokey, the final verdict was factual.
My comments were a summary from some parts of the actual court proceedings transcript, as well as clear evidence about Ms. Carroll’s self promotion of herself as a victim of sexual abuse back in 1996 by Trump, as per her photo & comment on the cover of a June/July 2019 issue of New York Magazine. As for the specific evidence in question, Team Carroll belatedly realized this NY Magazine cover as being more of exculpatory value to Trump than of convictable value to Carroll … and the NY circuit court allowed Team Carroll to remove this evidence prior to the start of the trial.
That, boys and girls, is a glaring example of how a biased judge can tilt the outcome of a trial. Not that anything as rival as equal justice under the law means anything to America’s leftists. It’s all about ‘winning at any cost,’ principles be danged.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/crazy-e-jean-carroll-accused-several-men-sexual/
(The dress worn by Ms. Carroll had not even been designed, much less available for sale, back in 1996.)
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Re: I'll defer to the court case that found him guilty.
Feb 20, 2024, 8:38 AM
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That, boys and girls, is a glaring example of how a biased judge can tilt the outcome of a trial. Not that anything as rival as equal justice under the law means anything to America’s leftists. It’s all about ‘winning at any cost,’ principles be danged.
Quit crying. Justice was served. Trump is a sexual predator POS. And anyone who defends that...
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Oculus Spirit [81189]
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Well he paid off his side piece pr0n star with campaign money
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Feb 19, 2024, 12:09 PM
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this doesn't seem like near the stretch.
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It should be illegal.***
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Feb 19, 2024, 12:42 PM
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Orange Blooded [3728]
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Fine with me
Feb 19, 2024, 6:24 PM
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I would never give the RNC money so that's their business
My Congrssional District is a fairly safe R, so they would not spend it here anyway
Not convinced former Congresswoman Debbie Mucarsel Powell has a chance at taking down Rick Scott for the Senate seat, and he has millions to spend of his own money anyway
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All-In [47813]
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these MAGAts would take up the A$$ dry if told to by
Feb 19, 2024, 6:55 PM
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the Orange One. and they'd enjoy it
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
Feb 20, 2024, 7:52 AM
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Self inflicted financial Darwinism, on the part of GOP and trumpers.
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Re: How do y'all feel about Trump using the RNC to pay his legal fees?
Feb 20, 2024, 8:29 AM
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seems a legitimate use of funds to fight democrat lawfare
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