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Sep 24, 2023, 8:19 AM
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I think we are giving them way too much credit.
They had the 101st ranked defense coming into this game. They barely survived against an awful BC team and they needed OT to beat a mediocre Clemson team.
They really arenāt as good as some of you are making them out to be. The truth is that Clemson is worse than what you want to accept.
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Re: FSU
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Sep 24, 2023, 8:21 AM
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Shhhh!!!!!!
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Re: FSU
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Sep 24, 2023, 8:27 AM
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Letās just look at things objectively.
QB: Cade has improved, no doubt
RB: Shipley and Mafah lack homerun ability
WR: One of the worst units in the ACC
TE: Brinny has been a disappointment
OL: Average once again
DE: No consistent edge rusher
DT: Great
LB: Great
CB: Wiggins is a star, but our #2 is suspect
S: Phillips and Mickens are average
Itās no secret why this team is 2-2. We arenāt developing like we used to. We arenāt evaluating talent like we used to. And itās because we have a bunch on inexperienced coaches on staff.
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Re: FSU
Sep 24, 2023, 9:10 AM
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Trots - you are spot on!!
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Finally....spot on in my opinion. We could
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Sep 24, 2023, 9:22 AM
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be back pretty quick with a few playmakers and some minimal coaching upgrades.
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Re: Finally....spot on in my opinion. We could
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Nobody can objectively say this roster is as good as it was from 2015-2020
Itās much worse. Meanwhile, our opponents got a lot better through the portal.
Itās fine not using the portal as long as you are developing and evaluating at a high level. Clemson isnāt doing that anymore.
Thatās whatās so frustrating about Dabo. The systemic problems are obvious. He hired inexperienced coaches which led to a drop in development and evaluation. To make up for that drop, you can utilize the portal, but he doesnāt.
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56 4/5 star players
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:28 AM
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2 first rounders, 6 overall picks, 2 undrafted free agents
The facts contradict your assertion
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Re: 56 4/5 star players
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:37 AM
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What are you talking about?
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Standout [340]
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We have 56 4 or 5 star players on our roster***
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:39 AM
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You do a good job at proving his point.
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:44 AM
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Bravo.
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Re: We have 56 4 or 5 star players on our roster***
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Iām failing to see your point. This roster isnāt as good as any team from 2015-2020 team. Are you suggesting otherwise? And are you basing that solely off recruiting results?
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"pout! pout! pout! pout! pout!"
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:51 AM
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"look @ me! look @ me! look @ me!"
Dude, you're saying the same things you said a 100 times before, win or lose.
Do you not realize that you're a metronome?
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Im not comparing to any era
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:51 AM
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Iām pointing out the fact we are still loaded with talent, 56 4 or 5 star players. Also we are still developing talent, two first rounders, 6 overall draft picks, 2 undrafted free agents.
You have no data or facts to back up your assertions.
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Facts
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:59 AM
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2203 record 2-2
Last 8 games vs P5 teams 3-5
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Facts butt-face: DJU isn't here anymore***
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Are you a teenager?
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Sep 24, 2023, 12:07 PM
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All you do is respond with insults. Nothing substantial, ever.
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that's because your inane arguments need to be insulted***
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Sep 24, 2023, 5:38 PM
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If youre going to bring up last season then have to include
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Sep 24, 2023, 12:06 PM
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the whole season. 11-3, ACC champs, orange bowl appearance. Youāre cherry picking to fit your narrative
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Re: Im not comparing to any era
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:59 AM
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Youāre basing all of this off recruiting rankings though. Look at the product on the field. Beaux Collins and Adam Randall were both highly rated recruits. Do you believe either of them are getting drafted though?
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Both of them are coming off injuries d ouchebag***
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Re: Both of them are coming off injuries d ouchebag***
Sep 27, 2023, 11:27 AM
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You didn't answer whether you believed they were getting drafted. I can make this more simple just by using Clemson WRs in the past. We'll go back to 2011. Let me know where you would rank Beaux and Randall amongst this group.
Sammy Watkins
Nuk Hopkins
Martavis Bryant
Mike Williams
Deon Cain
Tee Higgins
Justyn Ross
Cornell Powell
Joseph Ngata
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Last years draft is irrelevant to this team***
Sep 24, 2023, 11:47 AM
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Its relevant in proving we still develop players***
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:53 AM
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Re: 56 4/5 star players
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Sep 24, 2023, 12:06 PM
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Please list the game breakers from that list?
I count ZERO that make the field now.
The only one we have that plays is Tyler Brown and he was a 3 star who we werenāt recruiting until we missed on other targets.
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Well Tyler Brown is proof then that we are developing talent***
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Nail meet head.
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:42 AM
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Many of us have been talking about DE for some time.
Our freshman look good so that's positive. We should have never let it come down to depending on freshman to come in to make a huge impact on the DL.
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blither meet dumbazz...
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:47 AM
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Look! It's PBT with his sharp analysis again....
how the hail do you even make it around during the day? Bump into things much?!
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Old mike's posts....
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Message was edited by: PACIFIC BEACH TIGERĀ®
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well, when a dumb-dumb I'm not going to be like your Mommy
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Sep 24, 2023, 12:07 PM
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and tell you that you're "smart". She can lie to you all she wants. Does neither of you any good.
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Re: FSU
Sep 24, 2023, 11:51 AM
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It's not player development and it's not evaluation. It's that elite players don want to come like they did 5 or 6 years ago. They simply want to go other places.
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Re: FSU
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Nailed it. Developing players has ground to a halt, starting with the WR room and spilling into DBs and running backs. Shipley was better last year no doubt.
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Re: FSU
Sep 24, 2023, 7:17 PM
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OL isnāt average. They are a D plus C minus on their best day.
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Re: FSU
Sep 24, 2023, 11:26 AM
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I hate to agree with Commie Scum.......but you are right again, Trotsky!
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you know, your little faux Commie, faux intelligentsia
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:38 AM
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routine is just pathetic now.
It's clear you're just another sad little boy who didn't always get what he wanted,
and now needs to pout out loud and in public to make himself feel big.
You may be looking for others on here with end-times attitudes, but
I personally don't care how good/bad that you think we are this year.
Your opinion is for scheatt, at best, and is only embarrassing to those who really care about Clemson.
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Re: you know, your little faux Commie, faux intelligentsia
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š¤£
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Funny how you accuse others of false bravado...
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:49 AM
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While never ever engaging in any kind of meaningful retort, just the same ole childish ranting/name-calling.
If you're truly old, mike, you don't seem like ever act like much of an adult.
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"never engaging in a meaningful retort"
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Sep 24, 2023, 11:57 AM
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no, I just don't climb down with you into the Alice in Wonderland confusion of your muddled brain.
There's nothing wrong with our defense.
The only thing wrong with the Offense is Cade needs more experience, and we needed better WR talent (that is clearly now on the way or just needing more experience too).
Anything else is just your simpleton psychosis from a bad childhood.
Simply put, pumpkin, you're whining about nothing other than you wet the bed again...
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Makes sense then.***
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you never do, actually***
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Incoherent
Sep 24, 2023, 5:44 PM
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Ramblings of a communist narcissist
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Re: FSU
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Sep 24, 2023, 6:57 PM
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Agreed. That FSU team is NOT top 5.
UGA, OSU, ND, Mich, Texas, So Cal, Oregon, PSU, Wash, Utah...maybe even Miami.....I feel, are all better than that FSU team.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: FSU
Sep 24, 2023, 7:01 PM
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I wouldn't necessarily agree that we are mediocre. I still think we are a good team that had some horrendous turnovers at the wrong times that cost us 2 games. New QB, new offense, we had to expect some growing pains and unfortunately, that has turned out to be the case.
I really do believe we will get better as the season progresses, and have a chance to be special next year, after going through a challenging transition this season.
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You are really taking the fact that we were better than...
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a portal team hard.
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You took time out from pulling the wings off butterflies to
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post this? Beneath you, Comrade.
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