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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 10:54 AM
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"I'm not talking statistical accuracy. What I'm talking about is he makes his receivers work too hard to catch the ball," Pauline said in the radio interview.
Heard exactly the same thing about Cam Newton. How's that working out?
I swear, guys like this that clearly have an agenda should be laughed out of business.
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Boyd isn't the runner that Newton is
Jan 25, 2014, 11:11 AM
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However, I don't think Newton is nearly as accurate as Boyd, even if he has comparable arm strength. We all know Boyd isn't the most accurate passer, but how do you argue with his completion percentage? Even in a game that didn't go well for Clemson ('13 South Carolina), he completed a high percentage of passes.
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 11:18 AM
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Why would this guy have an agenda against Clemson? Just because he doesn't have an evaluation that you think he has doesn't mean he hates Clemson. It's just his opinion. As a matter of fact I think he said In the same interview that Brandon Thomas had one of the best weeks at the Senior Bowl than anyone.
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 11:25 AM
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It's called click baiting. It's not anti-clemson. Boyd is the highest profile qb participating in the senior bowl. Trashing him gets him attention, gets him on local talk shows, local newspaper articles, and drives traffic to his site. Trashing Logan Thomas surprises no one, bothers no one, and drives zero traffic. The guy (Paulini) is a total fraud. In his notebook he trashed Brandon Thomas on day one too. Now that it is apparent Brandon Thomas is the hit of the senior bowl practices that original critique is gone and he it replaced with lock step praise for Thomas.
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 11:55 AM
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Take your orange colored glasses off. Tajh was a great COLLEGE QB, that doesn't always translate into a good Pro QB. Look at Troy Smith, won the Heisman and is a career backup. I think one thing that will hurt Tajh is his height. Heard someone say Clemson listed him at 6'2 and he actually 6 1/2. In the same interview. Pauline also said Tajh is a high character guy and a smart guy off the field. That's is what he gets paid to do, write his opinion. For what it's worth, the idiot Mel Kiper has Tajh as a mid to late round pick.
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 12:12 PM
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Coot nation would be in an up-roar if the same was said about shaw. The best qb to ever lead a coot team, and he didn't even get an invite. Like Pauline are coots, always talking through their floppy A$S holes and spewing chit. All of Tiger Nation has good things to say about shaw. We can do that b/c we have never felt like the little sister to you coots. Y'all can't enjoy your little streak for worrying about what big brother will do next to bring you back down. Winning over one team does not make a champion. Just ask your big brother coot.
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 12:23 PM
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Sounds like someone pissed in your fruit loops this morning. I forgot how sensitive some of you necks get even though 50% of you never attended Clemson. If you could read you would see I said Tajh was a great college QB but I'm sure you overlooked that. As for Shaw I realize he probably won't make it long in the NFL but I do know one thing, he won't ever know what it feels like to lose to Clemson.
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 12:23 PM
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Talk about tinted glasses. An nfl "draft expert" goes on the radio and twitter stating that Boyd wasn't even invited to combine and that should tell us everything we need to know. Unfortunately said "draft expert" forgot to actually check the nfl 2014 combine webpage where Boyd is already confirmed to participate. So is he (Pauline) a deliberate liar or just an idiot? Because it pretty much has to be one or the other. Your tinted glasses have you lapping up what he's selling without any fact checking. I've never said anything about tajh much more than the that calling him "undraftable" is preposterous, and it is. Dogging his accuracy is also stupid since it is not really one of Boyd's concerns. I also pointed out that it has nothing to do with being anti-Clemson. So, how's basketball season going?
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 12:36 PM
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Not going too well but the annual sending Clemson packing their bat bags season is almost upon us. Oh you need to check your facts before you make yourself look dumber than you already have, Tajh Boyd has not yet been invited to the combine. Just incase you can't read, that is Josh Boyd, not Tajh.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants
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Re: Tony Pauline = Ed Cunningham
Jan 25, 2014, 12:41 PM
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That's the 2013 list but keep trying.
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Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 12:46 PM
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 12:48 PM
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Boyd is a participant in the Senior Bowl, he has yet to be invited to the combine
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 12:49 PM
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You do realize the senior bowl and combine are different right?
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 12:53 PM
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uh...yea, there's a difference
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 12:59 PM
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So it now has become apparent viztiz feels dumb. He has deleted to the list he thought he could prove me wrong on. Thanks for providing with a list of Senior Bowl participants(I knew he was playing in the game today) and way to not make yourself not look stupid by deleting it but I know for a fact Tajh Boyd has yet to be invited to the NFL Combine in February. There is a chance that he will be invited when the final invites are sent out later this month.
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 1:10 PM
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You're right it was the wrong link - why would I leave it up? But other than you and Tony Paulini and I can't find anything that says otherwise. I've previously read that he accepted an invite in January and I have as much reason to believe that as you have to believe otherwise. The NFL combine 2014 list is not out yet and you have no idea whether he was a late add or not if he is on it. You posted a bad link one step ahead of me so don't act like its some impossible error. Tajh Boyd will be drafted in the top half of the draft. When I'm right that will trump you and "draft expert" Tony Paulini's projection and I will assume the title "king of all self proclaimed draft experts."
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 1:32 PM
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There isn't an "official" list out but if you google say "Connor Shaw nfl combine" you will get articles, you don't with Tajh.
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 25, 2014, 1:41 PM
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By that same system of deduction, Sammy Watkins hasn't been invited to the 2014 combine either.
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 26, 2014, 7:10 AM
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So viztiz, all the others saying Tajh isn't an elite QB, do they all have it in for Clemson too?
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Re: Coots can't read? That's 2013 bro***
Jan 26, 2014, 11:27 AM
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Hey, welcome back. Do you not think there is a difference between calling someone "undraftable" and "not elite?" Read this thread again. I never asserted that Boyd was a first round prospect. My beef with Pauline was the term "undraftable" and then him claiming that he watched lots of tape on Boyd and that he was consistently inaccurate. If I knew how to put such things together, I could put a 30 minute sizzle reel together of Boyd throwing on a rope to the fastest wide receiver in this draft. Those are timing routes and require accuracy. For every time Watkins or Hopkins made him look good in this last three years, Peake or Bryant dropped passes that hit their hands. We did not have a great possession receiver this year but I could fill another sizzle real with pin point passes to Jaron Brown over the middle, into coverage, in the 5 to 15 yard range. The idea that he is typically inaccurate is pure fallacy. Stats Inc adjusted completed percentages (which I can only find publicly available for 2013) back this up - and those are facts. Pauline argued that Boyd built his completion percentage on short passes between 0-5 yards but the reality is that in 2013 he threw a lower percentage of his total passes in the under 10 yard range than either EJ Manuel or Geno Smith. This is to the point of completion, not yards after carry - another point that Pauline incorrectly argued padded Boyd's stats. In longer passes Boyd, Smith, and Manuel had extremely similar completion percentages despite Boyd throwing those distances somewhat more frequently. Those are facts. I would love to have access to the 2014 data but I don't. I Imagine it would also reflect very strongly on Boyd.
Boyd's concerns for an NFL scout are his height and his decision making when pocket protection breaks down. He also has a tendency to stare down receivers which will get you killed in the NFL. For someone who is a draft expert and someone who supposedly broke down hours and hours of tape I find it weird that he would so fundamentally misunderstand the genuine apprehensions about Boyd. You took to Mr. Pauline's defense and accused me of have orange tinted glasses. I stated point blank that I never thought his intentions were anti-Clemson but that he was simply trying to click bait the most high profile athlete participating at the Senior Bowl. He is not a scout. He is a freelance writer and runs a website. He is far less interested in being right than in driving attention for himself. Had McCarron gone, he would have been the one getting shredded. There is more web traffic in trolling Bama fans than in trolling Clemson fans. Are you arguing Boyd wasn't one of, if not the, most high profile player in the senior bowl?
So, what exactly are you trying to argue with me? "Have it out for Clemson?" I said explicitly otherwise. Yes, Boyd threw a duck on his first possession. It happens. Otherwise he pretty much looked like everyone else playing in a crappy exhibition game. If anything, I think the performance of the North team explained a lot about why the Falcons went from contender to one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. But, I'll stand by my prediction that Boyd goes no later than the first half of the draft meaning no worse than 16th pick of the 4th round. We can go round and round all day - would you want to make a bet with me. If you and your boy Pauline are right and Boyd is undrafted then I'll up vote every post you make in the future. If I'm right and Boyd is drafted in the first half of the draft you have to a signature line that says "Viztiz is The Tigernet draft expert!" to all future posts. Feel free to offer any counter proposals.
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Where u at gamecock4pete?
Feb 5, 2014, 4:14 PM
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So, you and your boy Tony Pauline were slam wrong about Tajh Boyd and the combine - mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24431806/nfl-draft-combine-list-includes-85-underclassmen.
Plus, he seems to be have stabilized as falling no later than 3rd round by most prognosticators. But a good combine could easily move him back up the ranks. He'll probably have the strongest arm at the combine. Looking forward to winning this bet, assuming you're still around.
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