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Orange Blooded [2170]
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Brownell has never signed a 5 star recruit
Nov 17, 2022, 4:14 PM
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Dabo has 3 on the roster at the QB position alone.
That's crazy.
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Brown-L has signed a 5 star recruit.
Nov 17, 2022, 4:23 PM
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He just wasn't any good.
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And who would that be?***
Nov 17, 2022, 4:58 PM
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Re: And who would that be?***
Nov 18, 2022, 11:52 AM
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What should Brad say yo keep his job another year?
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Re: Brown-L has signed a 5 star recruit.
Nov 17, 2022, 5:16 PM
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Milton Jennings was signed by Oliver Prunel but never played for him IIRC
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He played for Purnell his freshman year.
Nov 17, 2022, 5:19 PM
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He improved a good bit once Brad arrived, but obviously never became the player we hoped he would.
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Re: He played for Purnell his freshman year.
Nov 17, 2022, 6:18 PM
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What would be Brad's pitch in trying to get a five star? Asking seriously.
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The same as every other basketball coach we’ve had:
Nov 17, 2022, 10:52 PM
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“Come to Clemson, we love football here! Saturday game days are the best!”
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Lie
Nov 17, 2022, 6:32 PM
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Perfect example of an absolutely lie present as fact by Judge Keller. He didn’t improve under Brownell. On a per minute basis he moved backwards every year with Brownell. His senior year he had less rebounds and steals per minute than he did as a freshman and barely more points scored per minute. More tellingly, his senior year averaged almost 20% less points per minute than his sophomore year. This was a 5* McDonalds All-American. Perhaps if Brad had even attempted to play to his strengths both their stories could have turned out differently.
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You obviously never saw Jennings play
Nov 18, 2022, 8:35 AM
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He was not good. He wasn’t even a Mac’s Drive Inn All-American.
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Re: You obviously never saw Jennings play
Nov 18, 2022, 12:45 PM
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I saw Jennings play. And I watched him improve through his sophomore year then dramatically regress. You can put all the blame on Jennings or believe that coaches play a role in the development of their players. If you don't think coaches matter, why do you care whether we keep Brownell or not. I know why but I'm not sure you're self-actualized enough to understand your motivations. (Hint...they have nothing to do with the success of our programs.)
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Per minute stats crashed across the board because
Nov 18, 2022, 9:26 AM
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Brownell immediately ground our tempo down to dust.
Kenpom adjusted tempo (out of 340 or so teams):
2008 - 78
2009 - 67
2010 - 87
2011 - 248
2012 - 265
2013 - 303
Huh, what changed between 2010 and 2011?
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Re: Per minute stats crashed across the board because
Nov 18, 2022, 12:41 PM
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It was all Milton Jennings fault.
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Here you go:
Nov 17, 2022, 10:51 PM
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Freshman season (Purnell):
3.3 points per game, 2.7 rebounds per game, 37.4% field goals, 17.1% three pointers.
Sophomore season (Brownell):
8.3 points per game, 5.2 rebounds per game, 41% field goals, 29.3% three pointers.
Junior season (Brownell):
9.8 points per game, 5.6 rebounds per game, 44.1% field goals, 33.3% three pointers.
Senior season (Brownell):
10.2 points per game, 6.4 rebounds per game, 40.9% field goals, 32% three pointers.
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Re: Here you go:
Nov 18, 2022, 12:52 PM
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he's being very careful to only posts the stats in a manner that appear positive. These aren't efficiency stats.
Per 40 minutes played:
Freshman 11.6
Sophomore 16.6
Junior 14.8
Senior 13.8
Even marginal year over year improvement from his sophomore year till senior year and he would have been an all-ACC player. Instead, he's our basketball legacy's biggest punching bad while the coach skates by.
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Re: What??.
Nov 17, 2022, 7:13 PM
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Bust under Brownell. He improved dramatically his freshman to sophomore year. Then moved steadily backwards.
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Re: What??.
Nov 17, 2022, 7:28 PM
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Agreed
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Re: Brown-L has signed a 5 star recruit.
Nov 17, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Every game that I saw Milton in, he didn't play. He was on the court, but was terrible. He was totally mis-starred. At best a 2
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Re: Brownell has never signed a 5 star recruit
Nov 17, 2022, 4:23 PM
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What is crazy about that?
Comparing Clemson basketball to Clemson football is apples to oranges. I can't think of one Clemson men's basketball coach, off the top of my head, who recruited a 5 star. Purnell was close with Milton Jennings, but he wasn't a consensus 5 star by the end of the cycle.
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Milt was more like a Burger King 5 - star
Nov 17, 2022, 4:27 PM
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or maybe Hardee’s
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Re: Brownell has never signed a 5 star recruit
Nov 17, 2022, 6:51 PM
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Very few of you youngsters had the opportunity to see Skip Wise but he could play the game......
Unfortunately he played other ‘games’ as well and had a short stay at Clemson. When he and Stan Rome were on the court together the Tigers were worth the price of admission.
Even nctgr would have approved of their skills!!!
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Re: Brownell has never signed a 5 star recruit
Nov 17, 2022, 7:42 PM
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Tree Rollins, Larry Nance, Moose Campbell, Sharon Wright, Elden Campbell - Don't know about stars, but them fellers could play.
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Duke football can’t seem to sign 5-star football players
Nov 17, 2022, 5:46 PM
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... but, they seem to sign a few 5-stars in another varsity sport.
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I can understand why Duke will probably never be
Nov 17, 2022, 10:31 PM
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much better than they traditionally have been in football, but I don't believe Clemson has to accept that same fate in basketball. We can and should do better. I don't think we are willing to make the committment and investment needed to be a perrenial basketball powerhouse like Duke, but there's another level between that and where we have traditionally been that's very attainable.
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At one time Duke was a national power in football.
Nov 18, 2022, 6:24 PM
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So there is evidence that it can be done at Duke.
But at some point in the mid-late 1960s, the folks at Duke chose to make hoops their priority.
But, still ... they were very good in football at one time.
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And that surprises you????????***
Nov 17, 2022, 6:08 PM
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110%er [6994]
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But you’d never know due to the number of players Brownell puts in the NBA
Nov 17, 2022, 6:50 PM
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LMAO
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Thinking Brownell is on a shorter leash than ever b/4 what with new AD
Nov 17, 2022, 10:44 PM
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and if he doesn't produce in next 2 years it's gonna be over, imho.
But know Brad is a great guy & his athletes are very good students & graduate..unlike some 5-star teams & players.
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In his defense, Zion was in the bag until
Nov 18, 2022, 11:49 AM
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the bag was in Zion's family's hands
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