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Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)
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Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 11:14 AM

There are obviously still some solid kids who work hard and appreciate everything. Most of the kids these days are spoiled, soft and know nothing about hard work. Unfortunately both of my step sons fall into this category despite my efforts. Their father does nothing but be a negative influence in this area as he is the don't pay child support regularly but buys them 200 dollar shoes does the "cool things" kind of dude. Their mother somewhat limits how hard she wants me to be on the due to her rough childhood. There IS a reason I am posting this:

The younger one played football and is going into the 10th grade. He basically quit this spring and was unable to really provide a reason. I knew the real reason wad he doesn't want to put in the hard work of lifting weights, conditioning and all that. He expects to just be good. I bet my wife, the terms to be left off the interwebs, back when he quit that he would try to play again when the off-season no fun stuff was over. Sure enough, Thursday he says wants to play again. First thing he wants to do is go buy new stuff so he looks good which is typical for him to be more worried about that than getting to work. I despise this whole attitude. How should I approach??!!

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 11:30 AM

The answer is a resounding NO! He has not earned the right to play. Allowing him back in before next year is enabling the behavior that he has already displayed.

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hold on a second…there’s an huge opportunity here


Aug 21, 2022, 12:31 PM

If he wants to play now and is actually allowed back on the team…tell him he can get all new stuff for the season and play only if he goes through your off season conditioning boot camp. Since he skipped off-season conditioning, he now has to play catch up….by your rules.


This also opens the door for you to bond with him. Set up fun things to do but also not easy. Be his coach/mentor for a week.

Examples could be….new cleats = 1000 push-ups. (done in any order over the course of your “hell week”
new clothes/ball/pads/etc. = run 10 miles (total over the week)

Whatever it is he wants set a pretty achievable goal for him but also not easy.

BIGGEST PART ABOUT THIS:
Spending time with him. Don’t just say ok go do the work. Be there with him, encourage him. You can become a stronger influence for him than the deadbeat.

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Re: hold on a second…there’s an huge opportunity here


Aug 21, 2022, 3:49 PM

It's funny. The team I was on, we didn't win a lot of games. What I really remember, were the guys. The slogging through the mud, picking each other up in blazing heat. Getting together after practice/class/ whatever and trying to get better. Pulling on the younger guys when they weren't pulling their weight. All the crap we did to each other. "You want my job, come get it from me". He's missing the best parts of football. Of course, I got into a heap of trouble with those boys, too.....

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Re: hold on a second…there’s an huge opportunity here


Aug 21, 2022, 6:38 PM [ in reply to hold on a second…there’s an huge opportunity here ]

Last paragraph! RunJumpCatch TU

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 6:33 PM [ in reply to Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long) ]

I guess part of the problem is these coaches are also soft. I would tell him to kick rocks but the coaches are encouraging him to come back. Even though I told them what the issue was when he quit.

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Make him earn it!


Aug 21, 2022, 11:32 AM

If he wants the new fancy stuff, make him buy it or work for it. My wife has been in high school education for 15 years and we have a 10th grader as well. Most of these kids don’t take pride in anything and just want instant gratification. I think the biggest problem is lack of discipline and accountability. Parents are usually the main enablers of these attitudes by defending their kids by blaming others and making excuses for their actions.

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I second this!


Aug 21, 2022, 12:26 PM

If he wants to play now and is actually allowed back on the team…tell him he can get all new stuff for the season and play only if he goes through your off season conditioning boot camp. Since he skipped off-season conditioning, he now has to play catch up….by your rules.


This also opens the door for you to bond with him. Set up fun things to do but also not easy. Be his coach/mentor for a week.

Examples could be….new cleats = 1000 push-ups. (done in any order over the course of your “hell week”
new clothes/ball/pads/etc. = run 10 miles (total over the week)

Whatever it is he wants set a pretty achievable goal for him but also not easy.

BIGGEST PART ABOUT THIS:
Spending time with him. Don’t just say ok go do the work. Be there with him, encourage him. You can become a stronger influence for him than the deadbeat.

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Re: Make him earn it!


Aug 21, 2022, 6:32 PM [ in reply to Make him earn it! ]

Absolutely

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Re: Make him earn it!


Aug 21, 2022, 6:32 PM [ in reply to Make him earn it! ]

Absolutely

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Re: Make him earn it!


Aug 21, 2022, 6:36 PM [ in reply to Make him earn it! ]

I should have clarified that he is going to buy it. I was just disappointed that it was the first thing that crossed his mind. Do you think he has been out running this weekend? Nope. If I wasn't out of the house quarantined in my mother's basement because I got the old Covid Friday then I would have made sure of that.

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Re: Make him earn it!


Aug 21, 2022, 6:36 PM [ in reply to Make him earn it! ]

I should have clarified that he is going to buy it. I was just disappointed that it was the first thing that crossed his mind. Do you think he has been out running this weekend? Nope. If I wasn't out of the house quarantined in my mother's basement because I got the old Covid Friday then I would have made sure of that.

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This Was The Toughest Leadership Challenge I Faced Ever


Aug 21, 2022, 11:42 AM

in my life. Harder than leading troops deployed or in war zones was raising a teenage boy in the modern era. Don't feel bad or like you failed, it's the rare young man these days that could survive a childhood in the 50s, 60s, 70s or 80s. The absolute bunk of "toxic masculinity" propagated by progressives has made it nearly impossible to grow strong, resourceful, respectful men. They are lionized and berated for having grit.

Coaching my son's baseball from 2009-2015 I was able to then talk to him about the reactions of the players on his team to coaching and get him to identify the strong from the weak, not as much physically, but mentally and emotionally. Once I got him to see that the boys and later in life men that got respect didn't whimper and throw their bat, didn't blame others, but helped their teammates I was able to get some traction.

Possibly you can over time, with demonstrated commitment by him, award "the gear" incrementally. Believe it or not the "quest system" behavior in all his video games works this way. So possibly gear him up with one cool item then reward the others over time. Even going so far as to to buy the next item and have it in hand, but not his hand.

Good Luck

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Are the coaches actually letting him back on the team?


Aug 21, 2022, 12:17 PM

Bc I would say maybe next year son.

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Re: Are the coaches actually letting him back on the team?


Aug 21, 2022, 6:42 PM

They sure are! I would have told him to show up and do the conditioning and weightlifting....even practice for a year, but he shorted his teammates and himself. Games could wait til next year. Guess that's too harsh now days.

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 12:35 PM

Don't buy him new stuff; let him play and get his head knocked off. Sometimes the best way to grow a man is to let him learn a lesson the hard way. He's going to have to make a decision as to what kind of a man he wants to be. If he can go out for the team, see what all of that lifting does for the guys who get to play and decides that he wants to be like that then he's a changed man (forever). If you step in and tell him he can't play (which gives him the out of saying it's because of you) then you rob him of the opportunity to reap the consequences (good or bad) of his own decisions. If he quits, he quits ... and he can deal with being "a quitter". If he does, don't pick on him or berate him - have a talk with him and ask him questions like "how'd that work or for ya?". This is bigger than football. He's going to be making decisions throughout his whole life. Better to learn not to quit because it's hard with football than to be quitting as husband or father.

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 12:39 PM

Kids today don't want to earn what they get. Make him earn it.

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 6:44 PM

Yep

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I’m glad I can’t relate. My son, same age, spent his


Aug 21, 2022, 1:41 PM

summer training like a mad man for the upcoming basketball season.

I surprised him with 300 dollar pair of shoes he was saving for. While I do appreciate the differences in generation sentiment it’s actually more of an excuse for the parents to not put in their hard work to shape young people properly.

Start there.

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Re: I’m glad I can’t relate. My son, same age, spent his


Aug 21, 2022, 2:06 PM

Unfortunately these are not his biological children and is in a little different situation.

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Re: I’m glad I can’t relate. My son, same age, spent his


Aug 21, 2022, 3:39 PM

And? Is it his home though and or earnings being utilized to take care of them?

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Re: I’m glad I can’t relate. My son, same age, spent his


Aug 21, 2022, 3:55 PM

He got to them later. Bad habits were already instilled. He has to have the time, AND PERSEVERANCE, to break the bad habits.
I would have to say this, too. If you don't quit on the kid, maybe he sees that and realizes. Unfortunately, some people have to be slapped in the face to see the path they are on.

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Re: I’m glad I can’t relate. My son, same age, spent his


Aug 21, 2022, 6:46 PM [ in reply to I’m glad I can’t relate. My son, same age, spent his ]

That post is a bit out of line. One man can't do it all when you have others the boys think hung the moon that pull them down. You quit frankly can go f yourself.

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How exactly was it out of line?


Aug 21, 2022, 9:46 PM

I have’t discredited the dynamics of your particular situation at all. I simply stated that the idea that it’s a generational issue on its own is a cop out and it is. Sure, their father is to blame just like their mother if she’s not allowing you to parent the children properly.

I’m guessing you are a millennial given how triggered the opinion of someone you don’t know makes you after soliciting advice on social media.

You just can’t make this stuff up.


Good luck…

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Re: How exactly was it out of line?


Aug 22, 2022, 3:09 PM

First of all I made it clear that there are many outstanding young people of this generation that have obviously been raised correctly.

Secondly, the part about generation differences was more in the title and I made clear the specific issues that were being faced.

In no way did I cop out and use the generational thing as an excuse or throw my hands up and quit. However, all you did was point out how successful you have been with your son, imply that I was a parent coping out and blaming the generation, then told me to "start there." So yes you did attempt to discredit the dynamics of my situation by basically telling me to stop using the generation as an excuse.

Your post was worthless and based on others responses I'd say they agree.

I will entertain you with some examples of what's making it tougher on parents.

1) You notice your kid and all his teammates not hustling and quiting on a game they are losing. You then bring it up as a teaching point but the kid gets pissed off because the couches are sunshine pumpers and had praised them for giving 100% til the end. BS

2) You attempt to teach you kid a lesson about doing his schoolwork on time but the teachers let them turn it in months later with little penalty.

3) The LOWEST grade they will give a kid on an assignment they completed is 50. ###?

4) On top of this minimum score they get to retake almost every test the do poorly on.

I could go on and on about things that are going on that don't help teaching responsibility, accountability and pride in work. The post I made was more about my kids specific situation. And I wasn't really looking for advice so much as assurance that I wasn't an a@@hole.

Thanks again for your worthless contribution.

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They need a positive male example


Aug 21, 2022, 1:52 PM

It’s your opportunity to step up with them.

Do more with them, teach them stuff. That’s the best way I get lessons into my children.

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 1:57 PM

I have been a step son and I have step sons, so I understand that Dynamic.
YOU are the man of that house, you have to act like you are. You set the standard. Have high standards.
Most kids will do as least as possible, that's where you have to set that standard. If they think it's
easier to live with their dad, then make that an option. You can't make them like you. You can't make them respect you. Good Luck.

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Divorce


Aug 21, 2022, 2:50 PM

Less headaches

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Re: Divorce


Aug 21, 2022, 3:57 PM

Damm, dude. Lol. He's trying to save the kid, not make it worse

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Speaking of not wanting to work for anything


Aug 21, 2022, 4:04 PM [ in reply to Divorce ]

Marriages aren't exempt from that either.

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Re: Divorce


Aug 21, 2022, 6:48 PM [ in reply to Divorce ]

POTD lmao

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I think his post was a little out of line…


Aug 21, 2022, 9:49 PM

?‍♂️

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Re: I think his post was a little out of line…


Aug 22, 2022, 3:12 PM

I see you can't differ between good humor and just being a prick..

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 3:12 PM

Whether or not your step-1 son will be allowed to play this year should not be your decision, that should be up to his coach. He may learn on his own that his failure to train this summer will work to his disadvantage as he tries to compete with those who did work hard.
I'd put off the purchase of new gear and find some way to use it as a future reward for success or hard work.

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 4:02 PM

Make him sit this season and run cross country and swim. In the sprint run track. You do all of that, then at the end of next fall practice, right before the season starts, I'll buy you the cool $4it. That way, by the time next year rolls around he be in great shape (cross country and swimming), faster (track) and be ready to rock.

In all honesty, this probably wouldn't work since there's a long way to gratification.

Or you let him be on the team as a manager.

Or march in the band

Or be a cheerleader

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The best thing, maybe the only thing, you can do is be a good influence.


Aug 21, 2022, 7:16 PM

Keep in mind most tenth grade males are still pretty immature and in a mental fog. Look for him to wise up in the next 12 - 18 months. When you are a good influence and advocate they will realize it and respect you for it. At that time they will have declining respect for birth Dad when they realize he is irresponsible and not treating their mother fairly.

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Re: The best thing, maybe the only thing, you can do is be a good influence.


Aug 21, 2022, 9:07 PM

Maybe I was a little off in thinking that they would both already see this. The oldest is 17 and has a similar mindset. I have almost just accepted that I have to do what needs to be done and that it likely won't be appreciated now, but hopefully when the are adults can see who cared about them and tried to mold them the right way.

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Keep up the good work !***


Aug 21, 2022, 9:20 PM



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This generation also reminds me off this quote…


Aug 21, 2022, 9:18 PM



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Re: This generation also reminds me off this quote…


Aug 21, 2022, 9:34 PM

+1, have you seen the one that actually puts time periods through history into each category of the quote and it matches perfectly?

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 21, 2022, 11:33 PM

TigerChad82 ... Yes. 10th graders are immature. Does he want to play Varsity or JV? I would suggest he play JV this year and work on his game to get ready for Varsity in 11th and 12th grade. This will let him develop his work ethic and start/maintain some friendships with the 9th and 10th graders who will be playing Varsity the next two years.

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Re: Advice on teens of this generation please (Long)


Aug 22, 2022, 3:19 PM

He was on JV last year and would still be JV this year. The kid is 125 pounds soaking wet!! That's why the weightlifting is the key and him committing to the hard work off the field. Thanks!

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