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Question for Trump and Biden voters ...
Apr 3, 2024, 10:23 AM
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Which is it for you?
A. I'm voting for Trump because I believe in the man, and I think he will be a great choice to lead our country at this time.
B. I'm voting for Biden because I believe in the man, and I think he will be a great choice to lead our
country at this time.
C. I'm voting for Trump, but only because he's better than Biden.
D. I'm voting for Biden, but only because he's better than Trump.
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E. None of the above
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Apr 3, 2024, 10:26 AM
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I'm voting for Biden, but not only because he's better than Trump. While I do not think Biden will be a "great choice," I am in favor of some of the bigger pieces of legislation he has signed, and in favor of some other legislation he has said he would sign.
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Re: E. None of the above
Apr 3, 2024, 12:33 PM
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Why vote for someone who can't remember what he signs?
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Re: E. None of the above
Apr 3, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Because in our Republic, legislation survives any one individual's memory.
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Re: E. None of the above
Apr 3, 2024, 1:36 PM
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Ahhh, the old golf trip saying, if you don't remember, it didn't happen. Not much happening these days in Washington except spending money.
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Re: E. None of the above
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Apr 3, 2024, 1:51 PM
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Ahhh, the old golf trip saying, if you don't remember, it didn't happen.
That's good, but I meant the opposite. It happened even if Biden doesn't remember.
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Re: E. None of the above
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Apr 3, 2024, 12:43 PM
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Yeah his border legislation is really a big hit.
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Re: E. None of the above
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Apr 3, 2024, 1:00 PM
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His border legislation would have addressed some of the problems the Republicans are complaining about, but they didn't want to solve the problem before the election.
As for the legislation he did sign, that includes:
- Bipartisan Infrastructure Law
- CHIPS and Science Act
- Healthcare reform including prescription drug caps
- Gun safety bill
- American Rescue Plan
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Re: E. None of the above
Apr 3, 2024, 4:10 PM
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That's what, about $2.5 Trillion and let's not forget about the $100s of billions in aid given to Ukraine. If Biden and the democrats had left the $60 to $70 billion aid for Ukraine out of the Border Bill, there probably would be one.
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No that wasn't the reason....
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Apr 3, 2024, 4:33 PM
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Trump asked the congressional republicans not to do a border bill, because he didn't want to give Biden a "victory" on that issue.
They complied with Trump's request.
That alone is more than enough to show that Republicans aren't serious about the border, but want to use it as a political tool more than anything else, to keep their base afraid of "the other".
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Re: No that wasn't the reason....
Apr 3, 2024, 4:52 PM
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And ignoring the issue until an election year and then throwing some half baked legislation out there just to get a cheap and meaningless political victory isn't playing politics with the issue? Nothing says you aren't serious about the border more than, well, not being serious about the border and we've got three solid years of Biden not being serious about it. But now he's seen the light? Please.
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Orange Blooded [2087]
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It was actually a very strong piece of legislation....
Apr 3, 2024, 4:55 PM
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But Trump didn't want Biden to get the credit. So, they deep-sixed it to help Trump's election.
I wish this wasn't the world we were living in. But today's GOP is a kook outfit that's basically now a cult centered around Trump.
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BS.***
Apr 4, 2024, 10:44 AM
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Re: No that wasn't the reason....
Apr 3, 2024, 10:56 PM
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I see, you were good with an extra $70 Billion for Ukraine aid and over $20 Billion for Israel aid in a bill for the U.S. border. What do they have to do with stopping migrants coming across OUR border? Were they going send Border Patrol support?
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Re: No that wasn't the reason....
Apr 4, 2024, 4:02 PM
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Trump better get elected and get MAGA Republicans to replace the RINOs.
Don't let all the facts get in the way of your B.S. Not that an off the wall liberal rag oit of Washington would try to misdirect readers by a title. Quote from your link in regards for Ukraine funding in the Border Bill -
"Johnson said more money should be contingent on metrics showing a decrease in border crossings."
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All-TigerNet [11211]
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D. Easy choice.
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The other guy tried to install himself as a dictator after he lost the election. And will try again.
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D. Biden sucks but I don't think he's an existential threat***
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A. mostly because I'm not a communist.
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Apr 3, 2024, 10:33 AM
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and no liberal can defend Biden's open border policy.
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Re: A. mostly because I'm not a communist.
Apr 3, 2024, 11:11 AM
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except for the fact that it looks pretty much like it did under trump.
Republicans are all talk on the border.
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Provide a link from 2017 -2020 where the Liberal NYC
Apr 3, 2024, 11:15 AM
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mayor Said the border situation was a “crisis”.
I’ll do 2021-2024 if you need me to.
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Re: Provide a link from 2017 -2020 where the Liberal NYC
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Apr 3, 2024, 11:19 AM
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I mean, I thought pubs would have it under control when they controlled all three branches. looks like it was all talk and here we are.
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No luck with finding a link eh ? Id talk in circles too
Apr 3, 2024, 11:32 AM
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If I couldn’t provide facts to back my assertions.
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Re: No luck with finding a link eh ? Id talk in circles too
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Apr 3, 2024, 12:47 PM
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oh wait, you thought your point needed addressing?
Show me where republicans complain about it while in power. no, they don't scream about caravans until dems are in power or elections are coming up. It's like clockwork.
Fact: GOP doesn't do #### about the border
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Re: No luck with finding a link eh ? Id talk in circles too
Apr 3, 2024, 4:16 PM
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There was no need to complain because it was under control and the Border Patril could use Obama's Migrant "dog cages" if needed.
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Trump had a spike in 2019....
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Apr 3, 2024, 4:51 PM
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after he'd put the border under "control".
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2020-Jan/U.S.%20Border%20Patrol%20Monthly%20Apprehensions%20%28FY%202000%20-%20FY%202019%29_1.pdf
Border crossings were very low during the Obama era. They spiked up during the Trump era. And they've really spiked more under Biden.
I happen to agree that the border is a big problem. But Trump didn't help, and the problem got worse under his watch. And now he wants to interfere and stop a bill that could've made big improvements on the situation.
Once again, this is an issue that the Right-wing uses to whip their base into a frenzy, instead of treating like an actual issue they want to solve. They don't want to "fix" anything.
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Re: Trump had a spike in 2019....
Apr 3, 2024, 11:11 PM
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Ok. A spike of 800K under Trump in 2019 compared to 2.5 million under Biden in 2023.
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Orange Blooded [2087]
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It was a large spike...
Apr 4, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Trump got elected because of his views on the Border & Immigration. Trump's border control was worse than Obama, but people on the Right-wing don't know that because of what they're told in their bubbles.
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Re: A. mostly because I'm not a communist.
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You do realize this is the worst southern border in U.S. history, right? Record numbers of migrants and illegal crossings. The border was significantly more secure during the Trump administration.
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They've lied about it for so long, they actually believe it now. Sad.***
Apr 3, 2024, 2:45 PM
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Re: A. mostly because I'm not a communist.
Apr 3, 2024, 3:10 PM
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> The border was significantly more secure during the Trump administration.
Be specific, how was it more secure
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Re: It was less secure than under Obama****
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Only slightly. During Obama last 4 years there were 1.6 million border apprehensions and expulsions. During Trumps 4 years there were 1.9 border apprehensions and expulsions. A minimal increase. Mainly due to the 2019 increase.
I’m 3 years of the Biden Administration, 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions. 8 million more than Trump had in 4 years.
Stop trying to compare Bidens border to Trumps or Obamas.
This is the worst Border in American history. Whose fault is it? If you are blaming the slight increase on Trump how can you not blame the massive increase on Biden?
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Re: Question for Trump and Biden voters ...
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B. with the caveat that I think Biden is a good choice, not a great choice.
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Love his experience in government, his understanding of the issues specific to his job, his measured approach to problems, his willingness to compromise, and his ability to surround himself with capable and ethical people and make good decisions based upon his knowledge, ethics and experience and their input, things that Trump is so ignorant of.
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This is satire, right?***
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No. Being a Trump supporter is satire.***
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Let me see if I can follow your logic.
Apr 3, 2024, 5:20 PM
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Love his experience in government= are you talking about his 47 years of service in which he did 2 things. He added tax to SS and then raised said tax, and he fought against the integration of schools. Those TWO things he did in 47 years?
His understanding of the issues specific to his job = you mean when he defied SCOTUS TWICE and took money from the poor to pay for student loans of the the middle class. That part of being president that is responsible for person loans of a select few? Wonder what George Washington would think.
His measured approach to problems = you mean like writing blank checks without thought, scolding border patrol for whipping people (which didn't happen). EPA regulations that NO ONE will be able to meet. That measured approach?
His willingness to compromise = like when he said there will be ZERO concessions made on the green new deal and shoved it down America's throat? That compromise? The most expensive bill in American history.
His ability to surround himself with capable and ethical people and make good decisions based upon his knowledge, ethics and experience and their input, things that Trump is so ignorant of = You mean like when he got a prosecutor fired in Ukraine for investigating his son to keep the Biden family money rolling in? Those ethics?
Surrounding himself with luggage stealing he/she/its cause they are the best for the job. Appointing a gender confused tranny to lead the HHS? Those people?
You also know he gropes and showered with kids right? and raped a woman?
JFC christ our country is going to ###.
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It's absolute delusion. The Puppet doesn't have a frickin' clue.***
Apr 3, 2024, 2:46 PM
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Brah, you can post polls! But D.***
Apr 3, 2024, 11:05 AM
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Thanks brah. I intentionally did not post a poll.***
Apr 3, 2024, 1:50 PM
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k***
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Orange Blooded [2087]
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Combo B & D:
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My original view on Biden is that he's not Trump, so I'll vote for "not Trump."
However, he's done a good job with the economy & helping us get over the pandemic hump.
So, while I don't think he's "great", he's "good and not Trump."....Combo B & D.
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B, because
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10 million illegal aliens is barely a good start.
Also, as corrupt as the administration is, it has only scratched the surface with how much an enemy of the American people and our allies it can be with 4 more years.
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Re: B, because
Apr 3, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Then why do you and the rest of MAGA prefer "status quo" over the bipartisan border bull if immigration is a problem to you. I'll wait. 😆
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1.8 million per year
Apr 3, 2024, 2:54 PM
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allowed by the 'bipartisan bill' LOL, is 1.8 million per year too many.
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C... As I've previously stated, a President instead of a demented Puppet.***
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likely voting for Trump under the assumption that he will, for some reason, will not be able to complete his term and his VP will become POTUS. Assuming he picks a reasonably decent VP, like Tim Scott.
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Re: Question for Trump and Biden voters ...
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D for the most part.
I do agree with Biden on several issues. It's his communication, leadership, and implementation that I take issue with. I agree, for instance, that America needed to begin a transition to green techs but the way Biden did it was ham-handed and clumsy and was clearly done by somebody who didn't understand basic math. Wind and solar are great...where the wind blows, and where the sun shines. He's done nothing to shore up the fundamental hole in the grid where some form of nuclear needs to be.
I'll largely give him high marks for his foreign affairs, though our withdrawal from Afghanistan was a complete debacle. Joe's done a good job resurrecting NATO and getting it to stand together in support of Ukraine, though my feeling is this four-months-plus-and-counting pause in aid that happened thanks to the unbelievable clown show that is the GOP House is going to prove fatal for Ukraine. When he wasn't hamstrung by the GOP, though, Joe was doing a great job controlling Putin. He's also done a pretty good job wrangling allies into the so-called "Quad" in the Pacific to stand against China.
I think his handling of the economy is a push. Joe hasn't rocked too many boats in the business world though his doubling down on handouts during COVID put us in a deep hole we're only now climbing out of, and it for durn sure contributed to runaway inflation. I think his timing was fortuitous. Industry is flooding back into the US after long decades of globalizing as Western companies seek shorter, more secure supply lines, so Joe does seem likely to continue to ride a hot job market that adds a ton of new high-paying manufacturing jobs...but again, IMHO that's a function of COVID and the deterioration of China a lot more than any specific policy, though he has doubled and tripled down on Trump's policy of blocking trade with China. Gravity was dragging the reshoring trend back our way anyway.
He surprised me a bunch with that State of the Union address, but we hadn't seen that guy before and I worry we may not see him enough again. Joe's ability to lead and communicate is terrible and IMHO it has a lot less to do with lack of capability than it does with complacency and just plain being out of touch. Say what you want about Donald, he gets his points across. Everywhere.
I was really hoping for a viable alternative to either candidate. Alas, here we are...and I'll reluctantly vote for Biden again. Which is supremely annoying because he was always supposed to be a placeholder one-term president. I'd be surprised if he made it through his second term.
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So you aren't a Trump or Biden voter.
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Me either.
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Re: Question for Trump and Biden voters ...
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Re: Question for Trump and Biden voters ...
Apr 4, 2024, 9:06 PM
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D. Trump is far more of a free speech / defender of the First Amendment than Biden.
First Amendment (freedom of speech) isn’t first just for laughs and giggles. The Constitution just doesn’t work without a sacrosanct First Amendment.
RFK Jr scares me a little with his not-distant-past impulse to trash the First Amendment. He said that Climate Change deniers engaged in dangerous talk that should imprison them. More recently, he has backed away from that. I trust RFK Jr more than the OBiden Handlers Admin with respect to First Amendment, but I doubt him as being as good as Trump in this area.
As for the economy, foreign policy, and border security, Trump has a proven record that is far better than Biden. RFK Jr is an unknown in these areas.
I’ll take proven positive track record + defender of First Amendment all day every day.
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Re: Question for Trump and Biden voters ...
Apr 4, 2024, 9:07 PM
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Ooops … I meant “E”
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