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Sheetz... Appropriate.***
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Oculus Spirit [97806]
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Sincerely, Robert Byrd.***
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All-TigerNet [11979]
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Look at those scary cult members.
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:54 AM
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You can tell they're not regular people.
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Orange Blooded [4812]
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Re: Believe your own eyes
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:54 AM
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Things like voter enthusiasm no longer matter now that every no information voter who wouldn't otherwise care less can have their vote harvested by community organizers at their front door.
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Re: Believe your own eyes
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:56 AM
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Glad to see NYC show up.
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All-In [31938]
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In other news...President Trump can't get a fair trial in NYC...LOL***
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:58 AM
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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Depends on who picked the limited jury pool. It happens even in SC.***
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:07 AM
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All-In [31938]
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are you unclear on how that works?***
Apr 18, 2024, 9:11 AM
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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Yes. Please explain it to me. Then I'll give you an example in return.***
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:12 AM
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All-In [31938]
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Pool of ~200 picked at random from registered voters...
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:30 AM
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In this specific case...
Judge asks if anyone can't be impartial...whoever raises their hand is dismissed
Judge hands out questionnaire, then each remaining juror answers the questions on questionnaire. Lawyers have names and address of remaining jury pool and they look at social media posts, etc... looking for stuff. Lawyers can question jurors and try to get Judge to dismiss juror. After that, each side gets 10 dismissals (can't remember the real name that that's called and I believe 10 is the number...might be 12). Then they get 18 people out of what's left. 12 jurors and 6 alternates. If there aren't 18 ppl left, then they pull in additional pools, until they get 18.
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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"Pool of ~200 picked at random"... Therein lies the possible false premise.
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:50 AM
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I know from an experience I personally had in SC.
My father was regularly chosen for jury duty (usually every second or third session) for several years and was often jury foreman.
After his passing, I received a jury summons in my name (we had the same first/last but different middle), but when they called out HIS name in court, I stood up and said that "he's no longer with us". The quick snap of the neck and the look over his glasses that the judge gave the clerk of court was self-evident to me. He recouped well, though. "You'll do."
It was fine. My Major League baseball coach was on the jury and elected jury foreman. It was his second time in three years. Ended up, the guy decided to take the plea instead of going to trial and we had a nice conversation for about an hour.
Jury pools can be stacked and there's no way for the public to know the difference... well, at least then. Maybe it's changed.
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*eye roll.gif****
Apr 18, 2024, 10:09 AM
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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Whatever... I know what happened.***
Apr 18, 2024, 10:27 AM
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All-In [31938]
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Right...and you apply that to your worldview...
Apr 18, 2024, 2:22 PM
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so you can be prepared to dismiss the verdict, if needed.
Come on mane....
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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"Possible false premise"... I stand by that possibility. As to a verdict, I
Apr 18, 2024, 2:38 PM
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think this will eventually be overturned on one, if not more, appellate grounds.
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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My personally experienced example wasn't a "conspiracy". It was a fact x 2...***
Apr 18, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Did you ever find a better example of an implosion? Yea, I didn't think so.
Apr 18, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Blind naivety is even sadder.
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What? Seriously...what are you talking about?***
Apr 18, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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You're always crying "conspiracy" and then tucking your tail and running...
Apr 19, 2024, 10:12 AM
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My above example happened. How can select jurors, in this case two separate ones, be 'randomly picked' for jury duty every other session from a voter pool that probably exceeds 150k in a county that exceeds 300k residents? Statistical probability would be astronomical.
As to the above comment, the last time you brought up "conspiracy" I posted a video of WTC7 imploding. As usual, you ran...
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Choosing not to debate a nut job on 9-11 conspiracy is not...
Apr 19, 2024, 11:23 AM
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tucking and running. I've engaged with you many times on it and it's pointless.
As for this thread, you are saying that the jury pool can't possibly be random in NYC because you had experience in a different town, in a different place (and maybe even different rules) some years ago that you are applying to everywhere...is that right?
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110%er [7163]
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Re: Pool of ~200 picked at random from registered voters...
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Your example of fool proof jury selection is obsolete.
Political activists who are also political junkies have long ago learned that lawyers who screen potential jurors investigate the social media postings of each potential juror.
Maybe ~ 10 years ago, this practice of lawyers checking out a potential juror’s social media posts was not widely known. Heck, this practice might not have been widely known as recently as ~ 5 years ago.
Here in 2024, the activists know how the lawyers screen potential jurors for bias.
Once the activist potential juror knows the s teeming tactics, they adjust their information accordingly. Scrub their incriminating posts / pics from their social media accounts. Make political donations to lesser known activist organizations. Of course, also do the time-honored lying about their political predilections and any social behaviors that might reveal a strong correlation to those political predilections.
Thus, when a jury is selected in a district which is highly imbalanced as far as political party voter registration, the odds of an activist candidate juror getting past the net are high that said candidate belongs to the party which has the large majority of voter registrations.
As for the NYC / Trump trial, the question is whether at least one truly open minded + intelligent + analytically minded juror actually gets seated. If this happens, then Trump will win despite the biased judge and overwhelming anti-Trump sentiment among Manhattan voters.
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That wasn't an example...that's how it's working...
Apr 18, 2024, 8:52 PM
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and I don't recall ever saying anything about it being foolproof. Where did you get that from?
Also, you're speaking with specificity. How is it you know so much about how political activists get on juries? Are you making stuff up again?
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Standout [320]
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Hes an economist, political operative, scientist, legal scholar,
Apr 5, 2023, 1:54 PM
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and much more. It’s quite impressive if you ask me.
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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You should be... He's OBVIOUSLY far more intelligent than you.***
Apr 19, 2024, 9:49 AM
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TRD and Solos...a match made in heaven....
Apr 19, 2024, 9:53 AM
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you guys crack me up
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Hall of Famer [24834]
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Your dyslexia is showing...***
Apr 19, 2024, 10:02 AM
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More like my speech to text is showing...
Apr 19, 2024, 11:24 AM
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I'm not sure why it rolls letters so often.
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Re: But... but...
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Apr 18, 2024, 2:51 PM
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Well to be fair his daughter is an anti-Trump leftist. That could clearly cause a conflict of interest.
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Does that automatically make him one?
Apr 18, 2024, 2:53 PM
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Do you have all the same political views as all of your family members?
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Re: Does that automatically make him one?
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Judge Merchan has 93 million reasons … and counting … as to why he has the same political views as his daughter.
BTW, Judge Merchan had regularly (and in the not distant past) donated to Democrat candidates.
In NY, however, none of this is grounds for judicial refusal on the basis of the appearance of reasonably possible political bias.
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When they have a 90/10 or 85/15 advantage, why change the law?***
Apr 19, 2024, 9:51 AM
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You illustrate a shocking ignorance of our judicial system...
Apr 19, 2024, 9:56 AM
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are you just learning that many states have partisan elections for judges?
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You're trying to generalize what is clearly a familial bias... vacuous at best.***
Apr 19, 2024, 10:20 AM
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Standout [320]
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But its totally not an conflict of interest that Aileen Cannon
Apr 18, 2024, 10:11 PM
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was appointed by Trump, right?
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Re: Believe your own eyes
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And yet…PA is basically a toss up and Trump has no shot at taking NY…that dang ol electoral college.
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Re: Believe your own eyes
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:24 AM
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I don't think you get how it works. People are voting against Trump. They are not Biden fans.
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IMPRESSIVE! There are literally DOZENS of Trump supporters that came
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Apr 18, 2024, 3:50 PM
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out to support him while in the most populated city in the USA. If not a couple of dozen probably several dozen. Maybe even 50 people. Shoot, 60. 65!
What a chaotic scene. Unreal. Thanks for sharing!
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And Biden, the Puppet-in-Chief, had three...children. What a staged scene!***
Apr 19, 2024, 9:55 AM
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