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All-TigerNet [13605]
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January 6 question
Sep 8, 2021, 5:08 PM
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Am I the only liberal who believes had roles been reversed and it was an Antifa member shot instead of a right winger, some liberals would be screaming murder?
I just think there is some glaring hypocrisy. (On both sides)
We'll jump through hoops to claim someone breaking and entering an occupied private business shouldn't be shot YET an unarmed person breaking into the capital should be shot. Politicians are no better than an old couple who had their business broken into.. Just my opinions, here.
Also, to be clear, I'm referring to violent protestors.
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Re: January 6 question
Sep 8, 2021, 5:11 PM
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I'll hang up and listen. Will be on the road.
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Plot Twist:
Sep 8, 2021, 5:21 PM
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it actually WAS an Antifa member who got shot, since there were literally thousands of them there. In fact, I don't think there were any good, God-fearing redblooded Americans there at all. It was all a big setup with government-paid actors, a psychological operation (psyop, if you're down with the lingo), a false flag. Just like Sandy Hook.
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All-TigerNet [13605]
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Re: Plot Twist:
Sep 8, 2021, 5:35 PM
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LOL
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Re: Plot Twist:
Sep 8, 2021, 6:27 PM
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There's no such thing as Antifa. It's just an idea.
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Must be easy to stay this grounded
Sep 9, 2021, 6:23 AM
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Standing on a flat earth
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Standing...? Maybe flipping?***
Sep 9, 2021, 11:09 AM
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Legend [17297]
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Just follow the 80:20:5 rule for all civil protests
Sep 8, 2021, 5:41 PM
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80% law abiding folks not willing to engage in any illegal activities.
20% either willingly OR just get caught up in the moment May do something illegal.
5% have no issue committing crimes whether for a cause or just because their criminals. The street criminals and anarchists come out to raise hell doing any public protest.
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20% seems high - but I agree with the sentiment...***
Sep 9, 2021, 11:24 AM
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Sure, but that's just a reflexive thing for the left
Sep 8, 2021, 8:35 PM
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Most conservatives believe shooting Babbitt was justified. It's the conspiracy-minded right and the civil libertarians who think it was wrong.
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Ehh, I think that's a broad brush
Sep 8, 2021, 10:57 PM
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It seems you're arguing that conservatives are a multi-tiered group with many different outlooks and responses on issues...
...and then you seem to be implying the exact opposite about "the left."
I can only speak for me, I know I'm to the left of many here on the political spectrum, but I can say that in this hypothetical I wouldn't be arguing the shooting was unjustified. I know some on the left would be, because I think BOTH sides are made up of a whole spectrum of folks on a whole bunch of issues.
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I think it was justified. I also think the officer's recent
Sep 8, 2021, 11:04 PM
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comments that he "saved a lot of lives that day" were a bit much. You shot an unarmed woman who yes, had it coming by not complying. Let's not go public with what you tell yourself in the bathroom mirror each morning to not feel bad about it.
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Feel bad...? He was probably nuttin up...***
Sep 9, 2021, 11:14 AM
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Re: January 6 question
Sep 9, 2021, 12:05 AM
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Everyone has so seemingly been brainwashed that they can’t see the other side’s perspective. Democrats think all Republicans are members of Westboro Baptist/KKK and Republicans think all Democrats are members of antifa. You are one of the very few on this board that look at these stories/situations in a logical manner. Kudos!
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I hate discussions on hypotheticals of what
Sep 9, 2021, 6:58 AM
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people "would have done", and using that to make statements about groups of people.
How about we just focus on what people are actually doing and saying, and judging them based on that?
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That and projecting
Sep 9, 2021, 7:17 AM
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Thoughts, ideal, emotions, etc on the other side for no good reason.
As posted in this thread somewhere not all R’s are klansman and not all D’s are baby killers
I’ve said it 10 million times that if people could actually have a normal conversation they would realize that they have WAY more in common with the other side than they think.
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Re: I hate discussions on hypotheticals of what
Sep 9, 2021, 7:19 AM
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That's exactly what I did in the OP.
Go back and look through threads of people bashing cops/defending protestors from the summer of 2020 and compare those to the threads of people who were ok with an unarmed woman being shot dead on January 6.
To point out, I have no issue with the woman from January 6 being shot, but I also have no issue with an unarmed person who is breaking into a private occupied business being shot. I dont put politicians up on a pedestal like many people do. Their lives are no more important than a private business person's life. Jmo.
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All-In [26968]
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You said "had ___ happened, _____ would have _____"
Sep 9, 2021, 7:28 AM
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That's the opposite of talking about what people are actually doing and saying.
If there are threads of what people actually did and said, then that's a different story, and I'm sure there were threads like that. Yours this morning is not one of them.
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Re: You said "had ___ happened, _____ would have _____"
Sep 9, 2021, 8:01 AM
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No, it isn't the opposite.
I'm talking about things that HAVE happened. I didn't pull a what if out my ###.
My side has bashed cops for shooting unarmed people, that's a fact. The R side has defended cops for shooting unarmed people, that's a fact.
My side has defended cops shooting an unarmed person, that's a fact. The r side has bashed a cop for shooting an unarmed person.
Those are facts. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. No reason to nitpick.
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Re: You said "had ___ happened, _____ would have _____"
Sep 9, 2021, 8:05 AM
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And to be clear, I mean some, not all.
I think the overwhelming majority of folks are logical people.
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There's a distinct difference...
Sep 9, 2021, 9:00 AM
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Between police tear gassing or beating peaceful protesters (and yes, I'm talking about the peaceful ones, not the ### clowns looting stores or burning buildings) and a mob storming the Capitol during ballot counting to try to stop the legal process.
That woman deserved that shot as did many others.
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He went out of his way to detail that he was talking about
Sep 9, 2021, 9:02 AM
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the looting and burning ones.
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Not with this sentence:
Sep 9, 2021, 11:14 AM
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Go back and look through threads of people bashing cops/defending protestors from the summer of 2020 and compare those to the threads of people who were ok with an unarmed woman being shot dead on January 6.
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Re: Not with this sentence:
Sep 9, 2021, 11:49 AM
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I shouldn't have to repost every single word from the OP in my responses.
You knew what I meant if you read the OP as well as my responses.
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Okay...
Sep 9, 2021, 12:15 PM
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Did you add that line in with one of your two edits? Because if you did, I didn't see it when you first posted and can't be expected to go back and read the post again.
I was responding to your other reply in this post. The distinction wasn't made clear. Now that you've made that, I see it.
I'll also say not one single person on this board--not one--defended a single violent protester back last summer.
But plenty defended these Capitol clowns. I'll switch your OP around. If it WAS an Antifa or BLM person who got capped, those same people weeping and gnashing their teeth over the little fascist woman would have been giving standing ovations.
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Re: Okay...
Sep 9, 2021, 12:27 PM
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"But plenty defended these Capitol clowns. I'll switch your OP around. If it WAS an Antifa or BLM person who got capped, those same people weeping and gnashing their teeth over the little fascist woman would have been giving standing ovations."
I post my thoughts about that in one response to Prod above.
And it's the point of my OP, hypocrisy on BOTH sides.
Also, I think my post history will show I often point out hypocrisy on BOTH sides of the isle. I try not to be a hypocrite and only react when it's the "other side."
Yes, a few here did defend OR deflect the riots of 2020. Hell, even some of us made fun of Trump for hiding in a bunker during protests, etc outside the White House.
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Re: Okay...
Sep 9, 2021, 12:48 PM
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Yeah, I know you're consistent on that, and you're right that the partisan hackery would be showing if the roles were reversed.
Who specifically defended the actual destruction that happened in 2020?
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Re: Okay...
Sep 9, 2021, 12:30 PM
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Check with OBED. he clearly seen that the line was already there in the OP.
the ONLY thing I edited was to change most to some.
And added the last line. That was it.
As I said, If you had read the OP from the get go, you would have known I was talking about violent protestors, well unless you think breaking and entering and occupied business isn't violent.
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Re: There's a distinct difference...
Sep 9, 2021, 3:21 PM
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Please provide examples of peaceful protesters being tear gassed.
And do you hold the same compassion for the peaceful protesters on 1/6 that got tear gassed?
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Re: There's a distinct difference...
Sep 9, 2021, 3:27 PM
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White House for Trump's photo op. Thanks for playing.
If anyone on Jan. 6 remained on legal public grounds and just voiced their opinion without trying to storm the Capitol or destroy property, then yes, I have a problem with that as well.
Why don't YOU have a problem with the idiots who stormed the Capitol?
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Re: There's a distinct difference...
Sep 9, 2021, 4:44 PM
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White House for Trump's photo op. Thanks for playing.
If anyone on Jan. 6 remained on legal public grounds and just voiced their opinion without trying to storm the Capitol or destroy property, then yes, I have a problem with that as well.
Why don't YOU have a problem with the idiots who stormed the Capitol?
I've told you like 15 times that I condemn every 1/6 rioter and they should be thrown in jail. I don't know what else you want me to say. You have a terrible memory. Probably all that booze you always brag about drinking.
And here you go spreading debunked lies again because you are brainwashed and suffer from TDS. It's too easy with you. From the inspector general report on this debunked "photo op". It's too easy with you.
"Protests began in and around Lafayette Park on May 29, 2020. On May 30, the USPP [U.S. Park Police] and U.S. Secret Service established a unified command to coordinate the law enforcement response to the protests. From May 30 to 31, at least 49 USPP officers were injured while policing the protests, and Federal and private property was vandalized.
On the morning of June 1, the Secret Service procured antiscale fencing to establish a more secure perimeter around Lafayette Park that was to be delivered and installed that same day. The USPP, in coordination with the Secret Service, determined that it was necessary to clear protesters from the area in and around the park to enable the contractor’s employees to safely install the fence. The USPP planned to implement the operation as soon as the fencing materials and sufficient law enforcement officers arrived at the park. Six other law enforcement agencies assisted the USPP and the Secret Service in the operation to clear and secure areas near the park.
The operation began at 6:23 p.m. and was completed by 6:50 p.m. Shortly thereafter, at 7:01 p.m., President Trump walked from the White House through Lafayette Park to St. John’s Church. At 7:30 p.m., the contractor began assembling and installing the antiscale fence and completed the work by approximately 12:30 a.m. on June 2."
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When that incident happened...
Sep 9, 2021, 8:59 AM
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More clowns should have been dropped by police.
If it happens again, I expect more clowns to be dropped by police.
And I don't care what they support. If they're storming our Capitol to overthrow a legal election, drop em.
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I don't think it's a good idea to fire into a mob - if the
Sep 9, 2021, 11:41 AM
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mob is armed, you've got big trouble.
The officer that shot the lady had reached the point where there was no other choice. The mob had breached the last barrier protecting the people inside the building.
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I think most people on the left and right believe the
Sep 9, 2021, 11:46 AM
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shooting was justified. If it were an Antifa member - I think most people on the left and right would still believe the shooting was justified.
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Re: I think most people on the left and right believe the
Sep 9, 2021, 11:51 AM
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Yeah, that's why I posted the disclaimer above that I think the majority of folks are logical people.
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110%er [9667]
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Yep - your OP said "most liberals" - I don't think that's
Sep 9, 2021, 11:58 AM
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true. There are crazy folks on both sides - but those are the ones we see covered by the news.
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Re: Yep - your OP said "most liberals" - I don't think that's
Sep 9, 2021, 12:03 PM
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I see that mistake now. Thanks
About to edit it to say some.
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