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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:13 AM
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"Bombshell Evidence" means nothing nowadays. You can't monitor what two people say to each other when they take a walk in grandma's backyard. Just because it appears to be true...could be true...or even IS true...means nothing is this society of watered-down ethics.
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:25 AM
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Exactly
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:39 AM
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I just need for FSU to beat UGA for the chitstorm to really begin.
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:40 AM
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One statement will make that argument irrelevant...
"Due to opt outs and transfers, UGA wasn't the same team."
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
Dec 8, 2023, 8:42 AM
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Then why is UGAy ranked this high? They used that argument with FSU.
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:50 AM
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Right!?!?
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:44 AM
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That don't mean a thing. Bowls are absolutely meaningless. Someone described them as equivalent of a Spring game in the winter. Transfers, opt-outs etc. They don't mean a thing
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This sounds like something a gamecock fan would say!
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:50 AM
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(not saying that you're a gamecock fan)
How many bowls have they been to?
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He is not wrong though. Just look how many of our Tigers arnt playing
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Dec 8, 2023, 9:22 AM
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Its not the same as it used to be, its inarguable.
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:51 AM
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Pay wall
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Re: ESPN/ College Football Playoff committee investigation incoming....
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In explaining Alabama football over FSU, CFP committee becomes a kangaroo court | Toppmeyer
Blake Toppmeyer
USA TODAY NETWORK
The more that College Football Playoff selection committee members explain their four selections, the more they reveal themselves to be a kangaroo court.
The committee’s public stance, for years, has been that it doesn’t project. It doesn’t predict.
Then came the great flip-flop of 2023.
In the days after the committee snubbed undefeated Florida State from the playoff, in favor of one-loss Alabama, we’re learning that certain committee members do, in fact, project. They load teams into their personal simulator and attempt to predict game results.
And their sudden gift for clairvoyance told them that Florida State couldn’t win a national championship without injured starting quarterback Jordan Travis.
One committee member told CBS Sports, under the condition of anonymity, that they didn’t think FSU could win the national championship, and that idea influenced this member’s vote.
An unnamed committee member told ESPN that multiple committee members applied this line of thinking, and it worked against FSU.
“We talked about that over and over, and we just kept coming back (to), are they good enough with what they have to win a national championship? And it just kept coming back, we didn't think they could,” that committee member told ESPN.
In this final year of the four-team playoff, the committee members grabbed their dusty, hazy crystal balls, squinted in, and saw FSU losing – something it didn’t do all season, no matter who played quarterback.
What a farce.
I had more respect for the Bowl Championship Series computers than for this murky process.
TOPPMEYER:Why'd CFP choose Alabama over Florida State? Because Greg Sankey is undefeated
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OPINION:College Football Playoff committee owes Jordan Travis, FSU football an apology
Boo Corrigan, the chair for this collection of charlatans, said Sunday on ESPN that the committee considered opinions from the former coaches on the committee about which teams they would or wouldn’t want to face in a hypothetical game.
This, too, is not listed among the committee’s listed criteria for playoff selection.
“The point of that was to make sure that we're … hearing every opinion that's in the room,” Corrigan said Sunday, when I asked him about this new criterion suddenly emerging, “to make sure that everyone is able to weigh everything as they look at it, and everyone has got their own viewfinder.”
Viewfinders, or crystal balls?
If we’re choosing opponents we would or wouldn’t want to play, sign me up to play any team coached by Jim Grobe, one of the 13 committee members. Grobe retired from coaching after compiling a losing record across 20 seasons. He now works in the crystal ball business.
Committee members gazed into their divination devices and saw SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey and Alabama coach Nick Saban smiling back at them.
Did Georgia’s loss cost Florida State?
If Georgia would have defeated Alabama on Saturday to give the SEC an undefeated conference champion, what would the committee have done? Georgia would’ve claimed the No. 1 seed and secured representation for the SEC.
In this scenario, I think the committee would have selected each of the 14-0 Power Five champions – Georgia, Michigan, Washington and FSU. That would have removed Texas (12-1) from the field.
Texas is the playoff's No. 3 seed, but, remember, this committee concocts the rules as it goes. It could’ve cooked up some different explanation to explain rejecting the Longhorns.
After Georgia lost, the committee faced the uncomfortable situation of needing to create a spot for Alabama, the SEC’s champion, without bumping Texas, because the Longhorns won convincingly at Alabama in Week 2.
An Alabama loss to Georgia on Saturday would have removed the Tide from the picture, and the committee could have kept FSU ahead of Texas.
With the committee needing to insert Alabama, then Texas needed to be in, and crystal balls emerged to justify booting FSU.
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Nothing will come of it.
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:55 AM
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Nothing will change what they did.
We will continue to have problems. We will adjust the system we use to fix problems, and then more problems will arise. We will adjust the system.... rinse and repeat.
Remember when we used computers to pick teams for the playoffs? Remember the outrage when we didn't like what the computers chose? Remember when we decided we couldn't trust computers and we had to get rid of computers and use humans to make the choice? Remember when we got upset with the decisions the people made? Remember when we said we can't trust a committee?....
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Re: Nothing will come of it.
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:57 AM
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Exactly Bret. It’s like the “thoughts and prayers” after a mass shooting.
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Wow - Boo Corrigan is guilty of unethical, if not illegal, behavior simply
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Dec 8, 2023, 8:56 AM
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because his brother works somewhere in the bowels of ESPN. If you follow the logic of the obviously unbiased Tweeter "Blue Blood Bias" - Tim Corrigan not only bribed or convinced his brother to act unethically - he convinced and/or bribed the other 12 Committee members as well including that low character guy - Jim Grobe....Lavrentiy Beria would be proud of this quality guilt by association work...
FFS people - it ain't hard to understand. LOOK at the data:
Anyone who looks at the before and after comparison of FSU's offense above cannot dispute the fact that FSUs total offense is 52% less productive without Travis and their passing game is 67% less productive. FSUs total offense over the last two games without Travis would rate their offense as the worst total offense in college football. What other playoff team in the history of the CFP has made the final 4 with an offensive production that low over their last 2 games?? Furthermore - their production took a nose dive against teams that are nowhere near the caliber of the other playoff contenders. Those are the facts the CFP Committee could not and should not ignore.
You may disagree with CFP Committee's final assessment and there is certainly an argument to be made that a subjective/predictive assessment based on a key injury (which is allowed in the CFP Selection Protocols), even one made on real data, should not override the entirety of FSU's undefeated record. But this continual ESPN/SEC/Big10 influencing the CFP committee lacks any real facts and has gotten to the point of stupid.
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I agree, these conspiracy theories have gotten out of hand.
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Dec 8, 2023, 9:18 AM
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They are a convenient way for people to rationalize something they don't like/don't understand.
I think FSU should've been in, but the committee likely spent a lot of time discussing it before making a decision.
I don't agree with their decision, but they do have legitimate reasons for choosing Alabama instead of FSU.
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Re: I agree, these conspiracy theories have gotten out of hand.
Dec 8, 2023, 9:36 AM
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No, they are no legitimate reasons to put Bama in. There was really no need to discuss this much at all and was an easy objective decision for the committee. You have the 3 undefeated Power 5 conference champions in, and you pick the best 1 loss team for the # 4 seed. That was clearly Texas. Of the remaining 1 loss Power 5 teams, Texas was the only other conference champion with 1 loss. Bama, UGA, and Ohio State did not win their conference.
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Re: I agree, these conspiracy theories have gotten out of hand.
Dec 8, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Bama, UGA, and Ohio State did not win their conference.
12-1 Bama didn't win the SEC?? May want to double-check that...
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Re: Wow - Boo Corrigan is guilty of unethical, if not illegal, behavior simply
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So the goal in college football now is to pile up good stats rather than win all your games?
It's really simple. ESPN tells the committee they have to have an SEC team for ratings. Therefore they have to concoct a way to get Bama in. They can't keep the 3 undefeated teams in and leave Texas out since Bama lost the head to head and that would be impossible to justify. So the next obvious way to make sure Bama is in is to elevate both Bama and Texas above FSU, and create the narrative that FSU can't possibly win a playoff game. Voila! Then have all the ESPN homer announcers like Bama grad McElroy, Galloway, Rece Davis, and Herbstreit cry crocodile tears over how bad they feel for FSU. Booger McFarland is the only one with any credibility left, and he will likely be fired soon for telling it like it is.
Now imagine that Jalen Milroe went down exactly like Travis went down, and Bama was an undefeated conference champion? Is there any way the Committee would make the same argument and leave Bama out? If you believe that I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell to you.
Remember App State could never beat Michigan a few years back. And don't forget Clemson was going to be demolished by the Alabama juggernaut teams in 2016 and 2018. The fix was in for Bama at all costs. The committee has zero credibility. Their only salvation will be the blowback will be less intense going forward when the argument is between the 12th and 13th team. I'm sure the committee members will be well taken care of with perks and/or compensation over the next few years.
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I think the only real solutions would be one of two things
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Dec 8, 2023, 9:12 AM
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Either adopt the same system that Div II etc teams have for their playoff selection (most do-able)
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Move to a model like the NFL where their division standings and head-to-head records ultimately make the determination. This would be my preference, with re-established and sensible conference alignment takes the place of divisions, but this would likely take Congressional involvement, and that won't happen for a while, if ever - not until we have the two super-conferences well-established and basically locking out anyone else.
I don't see any other options. Ultimately, the teams themselves need to be the ones to determine who's in and who's out. Not a computer, not some "impartial" committee, or whatever.
But like Dabo said yesterday, the NCAA doesn't care what the coaches, and by extension the players, think about these things. That input doesn't matter. It's just the conference presidents and we all know that money is king in those circles.
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LOL.***
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At the end of the day, what this did for me was...
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Dec 8, 2023, 9:41 AM
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It took one of the great things that remained about college football in that, ever game matters, and made that no longer true. 13-0 is 13-0 but that no longer matters. It is sad to me.
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