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How dangerous is the SEC "brand" becoming in recruiting?
Dec 13, 2012, 3:45 PM
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I think Dabo and the staff have done a great job in recruiting. I think, overall, Tommy and his staff did a good job in recruiting. We've improved drastically from the Tommy West days when we were consistently ranked anywhere from 25-45 in the rankings. We're typically Top 20 year-in and year-out now.
My concern going forward is our geography and the power and brand that the SEC has become. As a school that recruits mainly in the SEC's footprint, I'm beginning to worry that playing in the SEC is becoming more and more of a priority to top recruits. The media's worship of that conference annoys me and it annoys you, but in this day in age it is hard to escape hearing about how great the SEC's teams are, how awesome the atmosphere of their stadiums is, etc. It's becoming a fact of life.
Now, obviously, if we weren't in the Southeast and didn't recruit the Southeast as heavily as we do, this wouldn't be a big deal. Likewise, if the ACC held its own, I think we'd be in better shape. But with the ACC as weak as ever in football and the SEC seeming to inrease in strength, I'm becoming concerned for the future of our program. Sure, the Big 12 is an option, but I don't think it's a very good one: I don't want to be the Boston College of that conference. I don't want a schedule full of games where the team and our fans have to fly everywhere, playing against schools in Texas and Oklahoma that we have nothing in common with and no history with. That doesn't appeal to me. I know it appeals to a lot of you, but I would prefer the ACC stay intact.
So, am I overreacting or is the SEC going to drain our talent level? Are we going to be getting the scraps in the region or will we still compete in 10-15 years?
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I thought about that as I watched SportsCenter this season
Dec 13, 2012, 3:54 PM
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and would see NO highlights from our game and yet see highlights of the Ole Miss vs. Tulane game.
Star recruits like to imagine that they'll seen be on ESPN.
It's definitely a factor. ESPN was 1 foot away (Pitts missed field goal in OT vs. Notre Dame) from bringing us our second consecutive all-SEC National Championship game (Alabama/Florida).
It's a huge concern (as far as football is concerned).
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Re: How dangerous is the SEC "brand" becoming in recruiting?
Dec 13, 2012, 4:10 PM
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if you think the SEC brand is hurting now, wait for the SEC Network to get launched w/i the next couple years. UTexas ran into problems w/ OU and the other Big 12 schools over including high school games featuring their recruits on their Longhorn Network. This won't be a problem for the SEC because they'll all be included. So all the best recruits in the southeast will be dying to get on the SEC network and will be watching all of the SEC specific programming. Add to that the SIGNIFICANTLY more ca$h that the SEC schools will be getting over the ACC because of the network and their better bowl deals, the ACC, Clemson and FSU will not be able to compete.
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the ACC can't compete now, wait another 3 or 4 years....we
Dec 13, 2012, 4:18 PM
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be like conf usa, all thanks to ESPN and our sorry comish.
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ESPN and TV contracts are ruining college football. Soon....
Dec 13, 2012, 4:20 PM
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all you will have is the SEC. Clemson is in a bad spot right now as the ever increasing disparity between SEC $$ and ACC$$ will make us irrelevant compared to SEC schools. SC, for example, has never really done anything in football, but could become a power simply because they are fortunate enough to be part of ESPN's love child (the SEC).
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Deep inside, I was hoping you guys would alleviate
Dec 13, 2012, 4:23 PM
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some of my concern. No such luck.
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It is not just the schools in this area that are sick of it
Dec 13, 2012, 4:42 PM
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I've seen comments from fans of schools in different conferences who are sick of constant hyping of the SEC by ESPN and others. I'm not sure what the answer is, but maybe the leaders of the other conferences need to get together and discuss. It definitely gives the SEC an advantage in recruiting. That used to be one of the things the NCAA kept watch on...guess when money is involved nothing else matters.
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Re: Which is why the state legislatures and governors in SC
Dec 14, 2012, 6:39 PM
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what would the legislatures do? curious as to what you are thinking.
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Re: Which is why the state legislatures and governors in SC & FL
Dec 14, 2012, 6:52 PM
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I have said it before and I will say once again. When the SEC decided to expand in the early 90's, Clemson and FSU were the two teams they wanted and the AD at Clemson (bobbi sox robison) said he wanted to make academics top priority at Clemson. Danny Ford left and the rest is history.
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Only problem with that theory is...
Dec 13, 2012, 6:41 PM
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The ACC is also working behind the scenes to create an ACC network. SEC's may pay more, but the ACC will carry just as much hs content as the SEC's, so don't be so quick to write off Clemson and FSU.
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Yes it is a major concern and reality.
Dec 13, 2012, 4:17 PM
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The only options are to improve the ACC brand which is not going to happen or join a coalition of football schools (Big 12/ACC merger) much like is being proposed by the Big East Catholic basketball schools. The best we can probably hope for is something like this:
1. Clemson
2. West Virginia
3. Virginia Tech
4. Virginia
5. Georgia Tech
6. Louisville
7. Florida State
8. Miami
9. North Carolina State
10. Texas
11. TCU
12. Texas Tech
13. Oklahoma
14. Oklahoma State
15. Kansas State
16. BYU or Boise State
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Re: Yes it is a major concern and reality.
Dec 13, 2012, 4:34 PM
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I would love to see something like that with a east and west division. With a conference like that you could really challenge the sec money and network wise.
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VERY!
Dec 13, 2012, 4:26 PM
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Ever since the initial eSECpn money deal a few years back...it was clear this would tilt the college landscape their way.
The NCAA talks about recruiting violations involving those things that cause a team to have an unfair advantage.
Well...the loop hole is ESPN. The money is one thing...BUT
There is NO greater recruiting advantage than to have the leader in sports network bloviating non-stop about their cash cow conference.
I said years back that there needs to be a competitor network in college football... Like a "Fair and Balanced" Sports Network that will counter the eSECpn propaganda.
Even so...the next 4 years belong to the SEC b/c of the foundation that has been laid
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Re: VERY! when vandy is out-recruiting us....be concerned!
Dec 13, 2012, 4:32 PM
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heck....10 $EC teams in rivals top 25 as we speak
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Keep in mind a recruit is rated higher if going to an sec
Dec 13, 2012, 4:35 PM
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school. That was initial top 25 rankings can feature more sec teams based on talent. That way, the league can stomach losing to teams at home while still getting to the championship game.
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It will just be like pro baseball, the poor will have a
Dec 13, 2012, 4:34 PM
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chance to sneak away with one once a decade. Let's hope it's us. Eventually the disparity will be so great that FCS will be broken apart.
Did anyone catch the MNF game? Jon Gruden talked about sec more than the college folk. Either these commentators are wildly unimaginative, which they are, or they must have daily meetings about pushing sec on the network. Fox news and MSNBC have been doing this for a while now so it shouldn't be so surprising. Report what you want to be true.
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Gruden was ridiculous on the last NFL game
Dec 13, 2012, 4:34 PM
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All he could talk about was the SEC!
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It hasnt hurt Clemson or FSU...***
Dec 13, 2012, 5:24 PM
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^^^^ not factual***
Dec 13, 2012, 5:42 PM
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Not just about the "brand"
Dec 14, 2012, 10:38 AM
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It is also about the money.
Recent numbers (though somewhat disputed) show South Carolina bringing about $8 million more than Clemson per year right now. We won't even get into the Alabama's and Georgia's. That money put back into facilty upgrades and the like is what is really creating the seperation we are starting to see.
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Re: How dangerous is the SEC "brand" becoming in recruiting?
Dec 13, 2012, 5:40 PM
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The only way to counteract it is to hit them where it hurts, in the wallet. I used to watch ESPN all the time but do not watch any programming other than Clemson games or non SEC games. If people were to do a nationwide boycott of ESPN until some semblance of fairness was shown they would eventually have to adjust. But as long as people continue to buy the product they will continue with business as usual.
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You realize ESPN and ABC are the same.
Dec 13, 2012, 6:36 PM
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So, what do you watch on Sat night?
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Re: You realize ESPN and ABC are the same.
Dec 14, 2012, 5:32 PM
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I watch games but like I said I rarely watch the SEC game. My main point is I try to give ESPN as little of my viewership as possible. If the ratings nationwide were to start to drop on SEC games Espn might take notice.
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The SEC Brand is not nearly as dangerous as TV
Dec 13, 2012, 6:45 PM
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partners (see ESPN) actively campaigning for one team/conference over another.
ESPN better be careful now though. They own all of the ACC's TV rights. It is not in their best interest to hurt the ACC, even if it helps the SEC.
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VERY dangerous. But to blame ESPN is
Dec 13, 2012, 6:48 PM
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crazy. ESPN has an investment in us (ACC) too. They just don't pay us as much. But, then again, how could they pay us as much as the SEC? ACC football has not had the success that SEC football has. SEC football has always been more highly regarded than ACC football. I don't see that changing.
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would be nice if the sec teams would turn into the big east teams in few years but dont see it happening***
Dec 13, 2012, 10:25 PM
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People simply do not understand how bad this is gonna be
Dec 14, 2012, 1:00 AM
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Its not now or even in the next 5 years where all of this is gonna be felt. Its in about 15 years where we have sank wayyyyyyy behind our hated rival simply because of conference affiliation and money. If things stay as they are and we remain in the ACC there is a 100 percent probability that we will become the step children in this state and it will be permanent. Our leaders better get proactive or our children who are gonna come along will only hear distant stories of the Clemson tigers and how they use to be.
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tell espn that they get NO acc college basketball games,
Dec 14, 2012, 3:19 AM
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untill the $ are closer (acc/sec) we have to use bball as a bargaining chip. i know bball is only 20% of revenue, but march madness is HUGE. there has to be a way to market that to close the revenue gap.
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We've played the basketball card with ESPN. That's why our
Dec 14, 2012, 7:16 AM
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TV deal is what it is. Without basketball, our TV deal would be closer to Conference USA numbers. The fact is that FOOTBALL is THE sport. ACC football has been abysmal and, we are paying the price for it.
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The backlash will come. ******
Dec 14, 2012, 6:06 PM
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Re: The backlash will come. ******
Dec 14, 2012, 8:00 PM
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When Clemson was 8 an 0 two years ago ESPN was all over that coverage. What has Clemson done for ESPN to be talking about lately? Win and the coverage will be there.
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