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New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 1, 2024, 8:05 AM
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Clemson, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Notre Dame.
A new conference could be formed from the ACC’s Magnificent Seven schools plus Notre Dame. This would be enough votes to dissolve the ACC and form the new conference.
This new conference would work off of the Notre Dame revenue model.
With the addition of one more school there would be 8 conference games a year. Each school negotiates its own tv contracts. Given who your home games would be played against, everyone should get a pretty good sum of money. The extra season games can be your choosing. Small teams if all you want is home games and the revenue from tickets, or bigger games if you want more tv money.
This would greatly increase the team’s revenue and there would be no quarrel about fair revenue distribution
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 1, 2024, 8:13 AM
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Notre Dame doesn’t have to join the conference, just vote the ACC for the conference dissolution and still play football as an independent. Still play games against the new conference.
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But who else? A 9 team conference would be destroyed eventually
Apr 1, 2024, 9:03 AM
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Re: But who else? A 9 team conference would be destroyed eventually
Apr 1, 2024, 9:24 AM
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Doesn’t even have to be a conference. Could be these players all going independent with a scheduling agreement.
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Re: But who else? A 9 team conference would be destroyed eventually
Apr 1, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Start small to get proof of concept and then expand if need be.
Ideally it would be 9 'football first' schools (UVA and UNC don't fit that description) but this new conference would have distinct advantages over other conferences that have cling-on programs.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 8:51 AM
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In order to give the schools time to work this out they need to vote to dissolve the conference at the end of the 2024 football season, unless there is a 2/3 vote to repeal the dissolution.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 1, 2024, 9:18 AM
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I really don't want anything to do with North Dame. They are the spoiled kid on the block.
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The ONLY way Notre Dame would ever join a conference is if the tv networks
Apr 1, 2024, 9:29 AM
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did not offer them a contract as a separate entity. And evidently, there are enough ND graduates in positions of authority at at least one of them that they get a new contract whenever the old one runs out.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 9:51 AM
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The ACC is board run. It’s the old board of trustees VS member run entity. Only certain items are voted on by the member schools. Even if 6-8 teams left the ACC those schools earnings through 2036 would belong to the ACC. I get why people don’t understand this. We sold our rights to our sports broadcasts. In the world of seeking of rights, the seller very rarely wins trying to get them back. I know this isn’t what you want to hear. Think George Lucas sells Star Wars toy rights to Hasbro for what initially seemed fair. Well, Star Wars blew up. The toys started making more than the movies. George tried to sue for relief and failed miserably. That’s where we are right now. Screwed.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 10:17 AM
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With this arrangement, there would be no ACC, it would be dissolved.
ESPN has not extended the contract through 2036, and with the current unrest and litigation, I doubt they will.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 10:22 AM
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I may be wrong, but as I understsnd it, the ACC has the
GOR, not ESPN. If, that is the case, if the votes are there
to dissolve the ACC, the probem goes away. At least is that
imo.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 1, 2024, 8:08 PM
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We are suing ACC for failing to carry out its fiduciary duties. If George Lucas sold his Star Wars toy rights to Hasbro and the contract required Hasbro to perform fiduciary duties to benefit George Lucas, and Hasbro failed, Lucas would sue.
Contracts are not ironclad. If one party to contract is not doing what contract stipulates, contract can be voided. There is a special class of law titled "Contract Law" for a reason.
FSU/CLEMSON KNOWS IT SIGNED a contract. That is not disputed. The dispute is that the ACC failed to carry out its fiduciary duty under the contract. How it failed will be proven in court.
Clemson is using language in the contract that states if a member is no longer a member of the ACC, the ACC no longer holds the broadcast rights.
What if the ACC members voted to expel Clemson from the ACC. Would the ACC still own those rights?
Fat chance they would. One might argue there is a difference. There is no difference. Clemson voluntarily leaving the conference means they are no longer in the conference. The ACC KICKING THEM OUT ALSO MEANS THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE CONFERENCE. And if the contract states that if you are no longer a conference member, the ACC no longer owns the rights, then it's settled.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 9:54 AM
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Drop UVA and Notre Dame (never happening) and replace with Louisville and Pitt for your 8. Notre Dame could help with a vote in support of dissolution. This new group of 8 could snag West Va from the Big XII for 9 teams, and work with ND on scheduling similar to their current agreement and include them also in other sports as a full member.
This is the only legitimate way out of the ACC until 2036 that I see out there.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 10:05 AM
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Is this April Fools? No seriously I don’t see Notre Dame aligning with ACC schools since that have not joined the conference as a full member. In fact I think ND likes being independent and not having to share their revenue with anyone.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 10:18 AM
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In this arrangement, they are still independent in football with conference affiliation for the other sports.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Jun 25, 2021, 7:10 AM
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That's not going to work. The whole point is to close the revenue gap with the SEC/Big Ten, and this proposal does not do that.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 12:56 PM
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Nothing wrong with a 'less is more' approach here. Cut the football dead weight and concentrate games and revenues among those programs that invest heavily in the sport and draw audiences, and that gap begins to bridge itself.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 1:42 PM
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Yes there is, because it wouldn't solve the revenue problem. Unless you are making close to the same as the SEC/Big Ten (which this proposal won't do), it doesn’t solve anything.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 1, 2024, 2:33 PM
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Concentrating our more valuable football programs together and eliminating many that no one really cares much about accomplishes that with similar money spent overall but on half as many teams. The draws would play each more often, upping the volume of quality content and thus the media value, which we would not be sharing with the non-contributors.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 10:07 PM
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It doesn't accomplish that for two reasons. One is because it's some of these schools still do bring some value to the contract, through markets, although in that starting to diminish. The other problem is, according to the original poster, this plan is to let each School sign it's on individual television contract. That means that each individual school is going to be getting way less than they would with the rights bundled together collectively.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 1, 2024, 1:09 PM
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I'm with you on the 8 schools disbanding the conference and fending for themselves. The rest of it, not so much. A new conference would not include ND and the rest of the package would not draw anywhere near the contract revenue they have right now. And, the better schools would not hang around for that anyway because they will have better options elsewhere if the conference no longer exists.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 1, 2024, 7:36 PM
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This idea (or a variation) is my preference. I'm ok with ND as a partial member, perhaps even on a short term lease (we'll see how it goes for a few years).
I always thought eliminating Wake, Duke, BC and UVA out of the schedule would yield better quality games, Syracuse gets unfairly lumped in, they are a decent football brand and helps extend the branding into the NE, but they would not be taken in the initial startup.
You get the 7-8 strongest ACC brands + WVU and demonstrate that the new conference brings the ratings, worthy of a competitive rate with the B1G and SEC. Afterward, you see if you can lure UMd or PSU from the B1G (no exit fee to leave the B1G), then fill in the holes with the left over ACC schools.
Why would PSU and/or UMd join? PSU could possibly be persuaded to get out from under the shadow of OSU/Mich, get Florida/Southern access, be the biggest fish, this is where their traditional rivals are.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 1, 2024, 10:33 PM
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East coast football. And basketball, baseball and all the other Olympic sports are big. Many HS candidates feeding in up and down the eastern seaboard. These schools don't need to abandon this territory for bigger brothers - we have what it takes among us today, and nearby, to keep our foothold, stay close enough, and rock. Almost a Big East / ACC reset - the Big Atlantic?
Put a 5-year minimum in place with a 5-year renewal window? CFP football is going to condense at some point. May as well start with us and some others getting that and forging our own way while the rest of them figure it out.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
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Apr 2, 2024, 10:39 AM
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"CFP football is going to condense at some point. May as well start with us"
Agreed - the latest wave of programs moving to the P2 conferences is to normalize revenues. The next wave will be a consolidation of football brands to increase revenues. The 3rd wave will be a return to 8 to 10 school regional conferences (essentially NFL divisions).
A reformed ACC would be on the bleeding edge of the 3rd wave -- just hope there is enough blood to survive until the rest of the football brands make it to the 3rd wave.
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Re: New conference - out with the ACC
Apr 2, 2024, 10:43 AM
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Perhaps swop a few Texas teams for Miami and ND.
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