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I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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opponents means a lot more than having the most total wins.
Past Clemson coaches had less games and a much tougher row to hoe. Dabo has reached amazing heights and does have the most National Championships of any coach. But the whole "winningest coach" thing doesn't carry much weight in my opinion.
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:01 AM
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You tell 'em Tyler.
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It means a lot, regardless of the sport or era.
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:03 AM
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We’ve been playing sports at Clemson a long time.
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Right but these days we start the year 2-0 because of the cupcake games
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:06 AM
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not to mention that aside from FSU this year the ACC has been terrible for a while now.
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Re: Right but these days we start the year 2-0 because of the cupcake games
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We were the cupcakes at the beginning of the schedule in the eras you’re referring to. Frankly, I’m glad to know that ####### like you have found ways to not fully enjoy what we accomplished over the last decade and a half. You didn’t deserve it so glad to know you’ve denied yourself the pleasure.
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Yeah, no other Clemson coach has played some easier games along the way
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Nov 5, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Just Dabo.
But then again, Dabo has also beaten the best teams on college football along the way to his commanding record.
Are you really as ignorant and low brow at math as you’re making yourself appear?
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Frank Howard had many poor seasons
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:09 AM
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He was only the winningnest because of longevity
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The OP's favorite coach, Spurrier, was both the Winningest and Losingest
Nov 6, 2023, 6:31 AM
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coach in his schools history.
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Legend [19210]
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What are you talking about. Clemson has
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:10 AM
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Scheduled outside the ACC-UGA, Auburn, TX A&M, etc. Tougher road to hoe? LOL.
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Freshman [-79]
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Hes been thinking about it since the record was announced .
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Nov 5, 2023, 10:38 AM
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And that’s the best he could come up with.
How comical is that loser?
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My son and I discussed this yesterday.
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I think that you're ignoring that the number of games won vs number played is significant and that you can only play what's on your schedule, meaning that neither Frank, Danny nor Dabo had much control over who their opponents were or how well their opponents fared.
Dabo is the best coach we've had but Danny career was cut significantly short and that can't be ingored. Danny inherited much of the talent which won our first NC trophy. Dabo build his teams from the ground up but Danny won our first NC.
Frank Howard? My goodness! Frank started IPTAY and build Death Valley and coached here forever.
Giving praise to one isn't disrespectful to the other two. That's what you should have said, remind the younger generations that the old guards are giant among men in the eyes of Clemson fans. We should turn this into a divisive topic for numbers are not the true measure of these men.
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Re: My son and I discussed this yesterday.
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:36 AM
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^^^ this ^^^
I think I understand where Tom is coming from, and certainly entitled to his/her opinion. It's impossible to say what one or the other could, or would have done in each other's era. While Coach Howard had some poor years, he coached in an era where Clemson was at an extreme disadvantage.
It'd be like comparing Coach K to Wooden. As 1988 said, they're all great men with great accomplishments.
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Re: My son and I discussed this yesterday.
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Nov 5, 2023, 10:38 AM
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Of course you would agree with the OP. Everyone thinks you’re such a great poster. All you do is flip flop and go with the current narrative on the board.
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I mean, I got nervous when we added Miami and VT and Syracuse had torn us
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Nov 5, 2023, 10:39 AM
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one in the Gator Bowl. The ACC was going to be a big power conference and it didn't pan out like that, but that wasn't Clemson's fault (insert shoulder shrug emoji here)
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Re: My son and I discussed this yesterday.
Nov 6, 2023, 6:30 AM
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Danny recruited much of the talent he inherited. Pell gave us a good start and helped change the way we recruited. He drew a 150 mile circle (3 hour drive) around Clemson and they went after the best players. Danny got to know all of the HS coaches.
As Dabo pointed out having the most wins means the coach did enough right to hang around, Doren just set the mark at Nancy State at 78 wins, less than half what Frank and Dabo have! He and Edwards played against the same competition as Frank and Dabo!
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Well, just like mine, your opinion and a dime will buy 10 cents worth of
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:12 AM
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something. Carry on.
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Re: Well, just like mine, your opinion and a dime will buy 10 cents worth of
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But there is an aspect of it that isn’t really opinion based. He’s arguing “the era” is making it easier. Which might be arguable if Dabo’s wins were only notable against his Clemson predecessors. Unfortunate for ClemsonTom, Dabo also became the 6th fastest coach - in the history of college football - to reach 150 wins. For his argument to hold any merit, that list should be littered with Dabo’s contemporary’s. Instead, Dabo is the only active coach on the list. Only two coaches on the list - Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer - coached concurrently with Dabo.
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:17 AM
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I’m gonna disagree with the tougher row to hoe. Being a head coach in bigtime college football now is a non-stop 24/7-365 job with social media and sports media in general that the coaches from prior eras (Ford, Howard, etc) couldn’t even imagine relative to the world they coached in back in the day.
The pay is ofc more, and support, facilities, etc are better. But none of that buys you a longer day to prepare 18-22 year olds for a game that I’d argue is more advanced now than prior eras. If anything the job today has far more distractions and things to juggle.
Understand the teams play more games each year now but to stay at one school for as long as Dabo has been here is not at all the norm and extremely hard to do in the modern era of college football.
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:28 AM
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Yep, you are a couple of bricks short of a full load because you obviously don't know that it took Frank Howard 29 years to get his wins. Apples to apples, how many wins will Dabo have after 29 years?
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Frank Howard-The Legend
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Nov 5, 2023, 10:32 AM
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56% winning record at Clemson, 165 wins in 30 years as HC at Clemson.
Dabo-79% winning record with 166 wins in this his 16th year at Clemson. Played in 6 consecutive "Final Fours" of the CFP, 4 NC games with 2 wins against that slouch program Alabama.
There is no comparison.
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Uttles never took math as part of his GED.***
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Re: Frank Howard-The Legend
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I agree with you 100%, and I was a player under Coach Howard. Of course the facilities, coaching salaries, strength training, etc., are much farther advanced, the competition is farther advanced, as well. Dabo has performed very admirably, and there are very, very few programs who wouldn't be delighted with his successes, on the field, and with his player development off the field.
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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Nov 5, 2023, 10:35 AM
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Suck it Tyler.
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Lol! He has by far the best winning percentage of any coach weve ever had.
Nov 5, 2023, 10:36 AM
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Do you know what a winning percentage means, Utlles? Whether it’s 8 games or 15 per year?
You try too hard to be a hater, Uttles. At least learn some simple math instead of embarrassing Clemson people everywhere with your hilarious ignorance.
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Did gou see how many total games each one has coached?***
Nov 5, 2023, 10:41 AM
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Id like to hear a little more reasoning behind your opinion
Nov 5, 2023, 10:52 AM
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Did you take into account winning percentage and how many games it took to get there? It's a large difference.
It's difficult to compare different eras so each sould stand on its own. Howard paved the way for what we know as Clemson football but
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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I try hard not to TD another person’s opinion — I try only to TD posts which are nasty or belittling, so I won’t. But, this is a difficult argument to make. There is enough context here in my view to declare with some certainty that Dabo is the winningest coach in Clemson history. Teams have been playing one or two cupcakes a year for generations, plus Dabo and Clemson have had very stiff competition in all of those playoff games, most of which we won.
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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Um say what. Dabo is the greatest coach in Clemson history even if he didn't have the most wins. Not debatable.
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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There have been 3 post war (finish the season) undefeated teams at Clemson. In 1948, Howard's team went 12 -0 and finished by beating Missouri in the Gator Bowl . In 1981, Ford's team went 12 - 0 and finished by beating Nebraska for the Natty in the Orange Bowl. In 2018 Dabo's team went 15 - 0 and finished by beating Alabama in the Natty.
They all had their cupcakes during the season but who had the toughest end of year schedule to stay undefeated? I say 2018 because you can't compare when pollsters decided the final rankings and champion to when you have to go and beat 2 teams to win the National Championship.
I do feel 1981 Tigers could have won a 2 game playoff but we will never know.
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
Nov 5, 2023, 7:19 PM
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They really were that motivated and that talented, too. JMHO
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Minority Report
Nov 5, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
Nov 5, 2023, 7:06 PM
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I think you’re overthink this thing
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
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Nov 5, 2023, 7:07 PM
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It's OK. I'm sure it's not the only time you've been horribly wrong
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
Nov 5, 2023, 7:08 PM
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“doesn't carry much weight”
that’s funny
yes, u r in the minority
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Re: I'm in the extreme minority, but IMO going undefeated against all D1
Nov 6, 2023, 3:31 AM
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In my opinion, your opinion sucks!
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