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My opinion on the Chick-Fil-A Ordeal
Jul 29, 2012, 11:13 AM
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The whole thing against Chick fil a is so pathetic. Christians don't condemn people and they aren't out to convict people- That's Christ's job. The man said a statement that reflected his PERSONAL beliefs. So if you're gay and taking it personal, get over it. If you're confident in who you are and you feel you're not wrong then what do you care anyways? Pathetic...
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We all sin. But we don't all insist that others accept our
Jul 29, 2012, 11:26 AM
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sin as not sin. Or even have parades declaring pride in that sin.
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Re: We all sin. But we don't all insist that others accept our
Jul 29, 2012, 11:37 AM
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Exactly!!! They should just stop marching in the public streets singing I'm gay look at me I'm gay. Pathetic and senseless!!!
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You'd never catch a Christian doing something like that!***
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I bet Jesus would be cool with gay marriage
Jul 29, 2012, 11:52 AM
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Dude hung out with prostitutes,lepers, and tax collectors. Of course that I am speculating on a fictional character which is just like saying Luke Skywalker would be a libertarian.
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No matter what you think about the bible, Jesus was not
Jul 29, 2012, 11:54 AM
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fictional. He might have just been a man living on earth like most religions think, but he certainly was real.
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Jesus is like Billy the Kid or Davy Crockett
Jul 29, 2012, 11:58 AM
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He might have existed, but then his lie has been embellished/exaggerated to fit into his son of god storyline. His legend is very similar to the Egyptian God Horus in rising from the dead. Also, his image has been changed to be very anglo friendly. How does a guy with middle eastern, maybe African ancestry look tall and fair skinned?
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How do you know what he looks like?***
Jul 29, 2012, 12:14 PM
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He's extrapolating based on where Jesus was supposedly born.
Jul 29, 2012, 12:50 PM
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People from that area don't look typically "white", which is why the pictures you generally see depicting Jesus today (white guy with a brown beard) are almost certainly incorrect.
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Why is it that all the historical documents at that time
Jul 29, 2012, 12:21 PM
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don't even mention a Jesus. The only source is the fictional book of myth, namely the Bible, is the ony writing that mentions his name.
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Because of the freedom of religion, they mention "God,"
Jul 29, 2012, 12:32 PM
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"higher power," and "creator." There is no partisanship towards any particular religion. This does not negate the fact that a majority of the framers were Christian.
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Actually, most were Deists at best.
Jul 29, 2012, 1:04 PM
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Very few were likely Christian.
In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms.
When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.
Also, The Treaty of Tripoli (1796) - written during the Washington admin and signed under Adams - states explicitly that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion".
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Washington's speeches...read them.***
Jul 29, 2012, 1:11 PM
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I have.
Jul 29, 2012, 1:23 PM
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I have also read his personal correspondence as well as the correspondence from the pastors of the churches he attended during and after his Presidency.
One of his pastors stated he didn't know if he was Christian, the other stated emphatically that he was a Deist.
Thomas Jefferson also addressed this in personal correspondence after Washington's death - stating emphatically that he wasn't Christian.
Not sure what else to tell you - his pastors and contemporaries - who knew him best, seem to think he was Deist.
Believe what you want.
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Good idea. They have "deist" written all over them.
Jul 30, 2012, 11:33 AM
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He attended church sporadically to please his wife, never took communion, and was described by his own pastor as a deist.
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Why do you atheists hate America!***
Jul 30, 2012, 11:55 AM
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It's God's Country, duh.***
Jul 30, 2012, 12:03 PM
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Ummm...
Jul 30, 2012, 1:55 PM
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Jesus is mentioned in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews which was written around 100 A.D.
Even earlier than that Babylonian records talk about a figure with a very similar narrative in the same time frame who they call Yeshu or Yeshua who is almost certainly Jesus.
What I'm not certain about is why we would view either of these sources as any more or less accurate, at least in its less fantastical elements, than the Bible.
I'm an atheist. God isn't real. Jesus was a person. Who almost certainly existed.
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I don't like Obama, nor do I like the term family values
Jul 29, 2012, 12:05 PM
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or morals and how small government Republicans like to push their beliefs and ways of life on others, which at times is the exact opposite of personal freedom.
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Jesus didn't "evolve" his position to pander for campaign donations. ***
Jul 29, 2012, 12:16 PM
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When has any small government republican pushed anything
Jul 29, 2012, 12:24 PM
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on you (and I mean you personally, like knocked on YOUR door)? I guess you're one of those nancy boys who feels like health care should be given to you at the cost of others? And that food stamps and no time restraint unemployment are necessary too? "Small government republicans like to push..." If anyone's pushing anything on anybody it's the left wingers shoving their "tolerance" of everything but Christianity down the nations throat.
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Thank you for incorrectly assuming a lot of things
Jul 29, 2012, 12:58 PM
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I think health care should be available to children, since its not their fault their parents are screw ups. I also thing there are unintended consequences of helping people out too much in that you are conditioning them to be dependent on government. This is from what I saw when I volunteered in low income urban areas.
However, I think Jesus would have been an advocate for health care and food stamps and in many ways is a socialist.
I don't like censorship, the current US drug policies, or our foreign policy in the middle east.
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Re: Thank you for incorrectly assuming a lot of things
Jul 30, 2012, 9:03 AM
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Health care has always been available. You people buy anything that socialist tells you.
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Find me a Canadian or Brit who likes their heathcare system.
Jul 29, 2012, 11:00 PM
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Not to mention their absurdly high taxes.
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here's one
Jul 30, 2012, 8:40 AM
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and considering a Canadian's household net worth is now $40k+ higher than our, somehtings gotta be working
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I work and save my money
Jul 29, 2012, 1:06 PM
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Where did I say I need help from the government. I work and save my money, and have zero debt.
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Yea, morals is such a thing of the past for some people .
Jul 29, 2012, 1:07 PM
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which is leading to the downfall of America. It's gays and their supporters trying to pass their lifestyle on others as normal. Epic fail.
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How is their lifestyle hurting your life?
Jul 29, 2012, 1:12 PM
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I used to be against gay marriage, then after a while I had to ask myself "how would gay marriage impact my life?" Conclusion, is it is not, so why hate on people. Let them be gay and happy and do what they feel will make them happy during their life on earth.
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When family values started declining so to did America. This
Jul 31, 2012, 3:23 PM
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has nothing to do with politics nor religion and everything to do with what's best and most stable for any large community or society. Blacks and Hispanics/Latinos are far more religious than whites and claim to be all about family, both are considered cultural traditions, yet both groups have exponentially higher rates of violent crime and drug use, and both have exponentially lower rates of education and extremely high rates of children born out of wedlock, esp blacks at 72 percent. Think there is a correlation? I certainly do.
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He didn't say sin was OK, He said go and sin no more. Not that we can
Jul 29, 2012, 12:12 PM
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live up to that standard. Thank God we have a Savior. The homosexuals are committing the usual sin of pride, denying they've done wrong and need no repentence, no Salvation.
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That doesn't fit his argument so he's not going to
Jul 29, 2012, 12:25 PM
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acknowledge.
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You don't know it's "his" word. You believe it because you
Jul 29, 2012, 12:23 PM
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want to and you believe it based soley on faith, not facts or evidence.
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You're exactly right. I rely on my faith wholly. I don't
Jul 29, 2012, 12:26 PM
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need facts or evidence in this situation. I've seen his works and because of that I have my faith. I don't push it on others, but I will defend it when attacked.
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What makes you think that
Jul 29, 2012, 12:38 PM
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Luke Skywalker would be a Libertarian? He seems a little more on the Green party side of things if you ask me.
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Re: We all sin. But we don't all insist that others accept our
Jul 30, 2012, 8:45 AM
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To me, the bottom line is i don't really care what other people do on their own time. As long as they pay their taxes, i'll support gay marriage at thr voting booth. What i have an issue with is when they want that support to come between me and a delicious chicken sandwich.
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Gays refuse to realize they'd be far better off and accepted
Jul 31, 2012, 2:19 PM
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more readily if they stopped screaming for and demanding attention. Gays love drama, employers love people that come to work, do their job effectively and efficiently, then go home. Leave your politics, religion, and drama at home and things will be far better you and everyone else.
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Anyone who knows the Cathey family that owns.....
Jul 29, 2012, 11:27 AM
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Chick-Fil-A knows they're devoutly conservative Christians. That's why, for example, none of their stores is allowed to open on Sundays.
I agree - the media's trying to make something out of a personal belief.
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Re: Anyone who knows the Cathey family that owns.....
Jul 29, 2012, 11:40 AM
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My plan it to eat at Chick-fil-A in support of them on the 1st. So it's OK in the country to prosecute someone for their beliefs of Christianity but not of anything else.
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Christianity is a threat to the secular way of life that is
Jul 29, 2012, 12:19 PM
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sweeping the United States. The sad part is, it's what our nation was founded on. Read any one of Washington's speeches (particularly his inauguration speech) or anything written by John Adams. God and faith are in the center of our nation's founding values.
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They wouldn't have said that if they had the knowledge
Jul 29, 2012, 12:24 PM
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we have today.
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I disagree and what like to know what knowledge you refer
Jul 29, 2012, 12:27 PM
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Re: Chick-fil-a Appreciation Day
Jul 29, 2012, 6:28 PM
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So will my family!
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CU Medallion [51585]
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The owner of the Chickfila in Lexington is Jewish.
Jul 29, 2012, 12:13 PM
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I worked there when I was in high school. I often wondered why he chose that particular business - and then I saw that he's a millionaire. He knew what he was doing when he bought in to the francise. Chickfila's are booming - if those morons in Chicago and San Fran don't want them, they're only hurting themselves and their city's growth. Christians are under attack in this nation more than any other religious group, and it's absurd and unfair. Did a Chickfila deny service or a job to a homosexual? No. All the man did was define what he believed in, and that's sad. It's ok to accept someone for being gay or defending gay marriage (which is an oxymoron), but the second someone decries against it there is outrage.
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ReThe owner of the Chickfila in Lexington is Jewish. Chicago
Jul 29, 2012, 12:59 PM
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I heard sales were actually up in the area after this flap. The man contributs money of his and from his business. He has a right to send it where he wants whether people agree or disagree with it.
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Re: The owner of the Chickfila in Lexington is Jewish.
Jul 29, 2012, 1:59 PM
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It was actually Boston and Chicago...I don't know if San Francisco said anything about it, though I'm sure they probably feel the same way. I don't really understand why Menino (the mayor of Boston) wrote the letter. There's only 2 Chic-Fil-A's in the entire state haha. I don't think there were even plans to build in Boston.
Regardless, how exactly would not having a Chick-Fil-A in Boston be hurtful to the city's growth? I don't really understand that comment whatsoever.
Also, you mentioned that "it's ok to be gay or defend gay marriage, but the second someone decries it there is outrage". If you remember, when Kraft Foods put a gay pride oreo on their Facebook page, there were tons of rednecks flipping out over it. It goes both ways.
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You don't understand how opening a business contributes to
Jul 29, 2012, 10:58 PM
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growth? New jobs, another tax paying business, another restaurant, etc. Denying a business is denying potential growth. It's that simple.
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Re: You don't understand how opening a business contributes to
Jul 29, 2012, 11:30 PM
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I get what you're saying, but it's not as if these cities are being hurt economically by not having a Chick-Fil-A.
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God and Jesus are fictional characters
Jul 29, 2012, 11:50 AM
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The Bible was written by man to control other men and explain things that couldn't be explained by science.
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Re: God and Jesus are fictional characters
Jul 29, 2012, 11:54 AM
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There is a reason science and men can't explain all things. I guess you believe a big ball of gas and matter just came together and formed a human being and the rest of the universe? If you don't believe in Christ then that is yur personal choice. However it takes an idiot to think that everything in this universe was formed without any help from a higher power.
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or it takes an idiot to think santa claus snapped his
Jul 29, 2012, 11:57 AM
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fingers and created the heavens and the earth. I guess santa claus just appeared out of nothing.
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Re: or it takes an idiot to think santa claus snapped his
Jul 29, 2012, 1:01 PM
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May God have mercy on your souls. You 2 are a pathetic 2. Good luck with your lifestyle and beliefs.
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Idiot is such a Christian term. Is God the same
Jul 29, 2012, 12:03 PM
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as a higher power? There might be a higher power, but that could be very different then the God you interpret as all loving, all powerful and that you pray to? If there was a God, he is not all loving and all powerful, because then there would not be war and famine. I am much more likely to believe in a higher power that is like a small child that gets a Sea Monkey or ant farm as a present and opens up the box.
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Re: Idiot is such a Christian term. Is God the same
Jul 29, 2012, 12:21 PM
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wooooooo I couldn't hit the ignore symbol on you quick enough. Lord please forgive this man for he don't know what he is saying.
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Amen! All we can do is pray for them.***
Jul 29, 2012, 12:28 PM
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Except that Harry Potter only exists in print. Jesus was a
Jul 29, 2012, 12:37 PM
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real man, now if you chose to believe he was devine, that's your own business. Denying he lived and calling him fictional is asinine.
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Actually there are a bunch of hit Harry Potter movies
Jul 29, 2012, 12:42 PM
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All available on DVD. Jesus did live, he was my wise-cracking hispanic neighbor.
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That's fine. It's clear you're not open to an educated
Jul 29, 2012, 12:46 PM
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conversation.
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I am open to discussing the purpose of religion
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and its role in history and government in controlling people with fear and rewards system. I would not mind discussing the Crusades or other genocide that took place in the name of God. I would not mind discussing how the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
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I don't think the Earth is 6000 years old. Don't put words
Jul 29, 2012, 11:01 PM
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in my mouth.
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First off I was open to discuss the topic
Jul 30, 2012, 1:00 AM
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Did not say you said it. Read it again. I am happy to discuss the purpose of religion in giving the downtrodden hope, comforting people scared of death, controlling people with the thoughts of Heaven and Hell, and for leaders who are supposedly anointed by God to carry out his will even if it means mass killings.
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It is a giant stretch to believe the creator had anything to
Jul 29, 2012, 12:05 PM
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do with the Bible and that the creator has a personal relationship with man. All that nonsense was written by the over active imagination of man.
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It certainly does not...
Jul 30, 2012, 3:20 PM
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it just takes a little faith. You'll find an abundance in every class room, laboratory and research institute all over the world. Every Christian should envy the faith that evolutionist show toward their believe.
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I second that.***
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You make me sick
Jul 29, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Why do take pleasure in attack Jesus? Why does it offend you Atheist so much. One of us will be right when we are all gone and if I am right you will be so disappointed. But if you are right we will be in the same place so I guess it dosent matter if you are right. I will take my chances with my God.
Oh and science is so right in proving things like Global Warming, Evolution etc... Right I think every 6 months that we have found proof of the missing link. Very funny to watch.
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There's no need to attack non-believers.***
Jul 29, 2012, 12:28 PM
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Eating undercooked pork will make you sick
Jul 29, 2012, 12:41 PM
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That is why it says in the Bible not to eat pork. It also said Noah fit every animal on his boat and the world flooded. I am not offended at all. So you are saying because you believe and I don't, I will can't get into heaven. But what about an atheist like Bill Gates, who wipes out many diseases through his charity, does he get left out of Heaven? Who made up these rules; God or a few men sitting around a camp fire?
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Only those with salvation through Jesus Christ enter the
Jul 29, 2012, 12:43 PM
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gates of heaven. Money, good deeds and anything else have nothing to do with it. John 3:16-17.
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And John was some dude that made these
Jul 29, 2012, 12:45 PM
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rules up for what reason?
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Some Christians would cry out "you'll burn in hell!"
Jul 29, 2012, 12:47 PM
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But that's not me. If you decide you want to have a conversation about this, I'd be glad to talk.
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Re: Only those with salvation through Jesus Christ enter the
Jul 29, 2012, 2:53 PM
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Statements such as this are what makes me believe no organize religion is accurate. To suggest that being a good person, doing good deeds, etc doesn't matter unless you accept Jesus as your savior seems laughable. Why would an all-knowing, all-loving god be such an exclusionary jerk? It wreaks of insecurity: "you can't come in unless you're in the club".
I would hope god is nicer than that.
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Re: Only those with salvation through Jesus Christ enter the
Jul 29, 2012, 8:59 PM
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I'm a good man and do good deeds so can i come live in your house? No you won't let me because you don't know me. The same goes for Jesus Christ, you don't know him you don't get in.
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Re: Only those with salvation through Jesus Christ enter the
Jul 29, 2012, 11:13 PM
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That doesn't make any sense at all though. If god/Jesus created all of us, then we're in no way strangers. We're all god's children, aren't we?
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Re: Only those with salvation through Jesus Christ enter the
Jul 30, 2012, 9:29 AM
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The "knowing" used in the bible is often describing an intimate relationship not simply knowing the existence of something. God knows who you are, but he doesn't intimately know you unless you know Christ. A Holy God could never relate to a sinful creature unless that sin is dealt with because justice demands payment. Grace occurs when Christ's death and resurrection are credited to our account through faith in the Lamb of God Jesus Christ!!!!! That is THE good news! Praise be to the Lord and God of all!!!!
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Re: Only those with salvation through Jesus Christ enter the
Jul 30, 2012, 8:33 PM
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I still just find it hard to believe. I don't see why someone who's a bad person, and does bad things to other people--yet is strong in his faith would go to Heaven but a good person who doesn't have faith does not.
While I think there are some great things about religion, and in its purest form it makes sense, I feel it is too corrupted by humans. People listen to the parts they want to, and ignore those that don't fit their agenda.
Homosexuality is scary and different, so it's evil....but tattoos are cool, so they're fine. However both are forbidden in the bible. We're not allowed to cut our hair according to the bible.
I have no problem whatsoever with people of faith being faithful. I have friends who are very faithful. Much of my family and my wife's family are devout Catholics. However I hate it when there are protests and group which fight to deprive others of basic human rights. If you're gonna get worked up about gays, then you should be rallying to shut down tattoo parlors (and should be investing in a cheese grater if you've got one), and killing every barber in town.
It's also ironic that this "good Christian man" is against homosexuality, yet has no problem helping those commit the sin of gluttony, he has the majority of his stores in the fattest (and the most religious) area of the fattest country in the world.
Again I don't have a problem with religion. I don't even necessarily have a problem with people being against homosexuality (even if I 100% support it)...but find it somewhat sad that people have decided to focus so much hate on one particular group.
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Who defines "good"?
Jul 30, 2012, 9:27 AM
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If the hypothetical cutoff is a 3.0 GPA (of good works) to get into heaven, and I don't know what the tests are, but still manage to make a 2.99, guess what...that isn't good enough and I don't get in. THAT is much more "unloving" than a God who says simply, put me first and allow me to lead your life. Nothing you do can win your salvation...it is already won and is free through Jesus.
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Re: You make me sick
Jul 29, 2012, 1:03 PM
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The only Global Warming is from the hot air inside these nonbelievers of the world.
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You don't believe evolution or global warming???
Jul 30, 2012, 9:34 AM
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What's your favorite scientific journal? Genesis or Revelation?
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Just in my hot sauce.***
Jul 30, 2012, 12:53 PM
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Re: God and Jesus are fictional characters
Jul 30, 2012, 9:13 AM
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I sure hope you like hot weather cause you're going to have alot of it
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I have been known to be a snow bird***
Jul 30, 2012, 12:53 PM
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I may be the most unconventional Christian in the Lounge...
Jul 30, 2012, 11:10 AM
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... but you sound like you lack imagination as much as any of the dogmatic believers here.
I too believe that religion is man-made. I agree with much, if not all, of your rather cynical sociological treatise on the matter. I am not bound by conventional images of God, or by what anyone else thinks. I've been a professed atheist, and spent most of my life in healthy skepticism.
I don't believe in a God that controls temporal events, but the deeper I dig, the more convinced I am that we have a connection to a creator, and science, and the more I learn of it, is the key. The latest thoughts in cosmology are VERY interesting. I believe we can learn as much about God from Newton, Einstein, and Hawking as we can from Matthew, Mark and Luke.
And oddly enough, as much of a non-literalist as I am, some of the best evidence for me exists in the first book of Genesis, some of the very first words of the Bible. Taken literally, it sounds very much like a fairy tale. But taken as an allegory, as it was surely intended, the science is pretty close, considering it was written by men who did not even know what science was.
Doctrinaire Christians who buy the bargain of the cross described in the Gospels bore me. But so do doctrinaire atheists who toss aside our clear hunger for something more.
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Would really like to have a beer with you one day.
Jul 30, 2012, 11:18 AM
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No ####.
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Twist my arm.***
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Re: My opinion on the Chick-Fil-A Ordeal
Jul 29, 2012, 11:58 AM
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I will still eat at Chick-Fil-A...I will just have Ben and Jerry's to make up the difference
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There's a reason why Ben and Jerry's are going under
Jul 29, 2012, 12:15 PM
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all over the country. And it has nothing to do with them being queer, it's bad business charging 8 bucks for a half pint of ice cream.
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I choose to believe...
Jul 29, 2012, 12:18 PM
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that God is real and he sent his Son Jesus to die on the cross for my sins. If you choose to believe in something else or nothing at all then that is your prerogative. However, consider this, if I am wrong when I die chances are I'll never know. If I am right and God is real, when I die I'll spend eternity in Heaven. If you are right and there is no God, when you die chances are you'll never know. However, if you are wrong then you will spend eternity wishing you had believed. I choose to believe.
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Question for non-believers...have you read the bible?***
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Yes, I have read it and then I grew up and came
Jul 29, 2012, 12:48 PM
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to the conclusion that nobody has the answer and that the Bible is a book that was originally translated and edited numerous times to fit what the people in power wanted you to believe so they could control you through fear. That is the concept of Hell. The concept of Heaven is to deal with our natural fear of death and to give us some sense of reward for following the rules or to give the poor or enslaved hope for a better life in the after life.
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Just curious. You have a right to your opinion and I'm not
Jul 29, 2012, 12:56 PM
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The one to judge.
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Ultimately, God will judge one day.***
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Was that supposed to somewhat humorous?
Jul 29, 2012, 1:14 PM
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I will say that I believe the marijuana laws in this country are outdated.
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Re: Yes, I have read it and then I grew up and came
Jul 29, 2012, 9:05 PM
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Some of the best Bible scholars study the Bible in Greek and Aramaic that is was written in.
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So what language is the Bible you are reading?
Jul 29, 2012, 10:49 PM
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The Bible you are reading is in English right? So there has been editing and changes just by translating. Also, aren't there different versions of the Bible like the King James and Wycliffe versions?
The old testament was written in ancient Hebrew where numbers and letters and near impossible to translate so there has been some interpretation.
Through the course of history, you don't believe that Popes and Kings have deleted or edited anything in the Bible that they did not agree with? What if there are missing scripture on Jesus's life when he was a teenager to his late 20's that was just edited out? What if Jesus was married and it was written out? What if there was a clear description on Jesus that was edited out?
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Strange phrase, "choose to believe."
Jul 30, 2012, 11:59 AM
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How DO you do that? If you're honest with yourself, you believe what you believe, and what you desire to believe only masks that.
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You are getting worked up too though... if he is allowed
Jul 29, 2012, 12:30 PM
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to express his opinion in public, then a gay person is allowed to vehemently express their dislike for Chickfila as well. So then one would have to ask you the same question: Why do you care what someone else thinks about a restuarant? If you like it, then keep on eating there. If not, then don't.
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The problem is the public attack of Christianity in this
Jul 29, 2012, 12:35 PM
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day and age of "tolerance." It's a part of the plague that is "political correctness" and apathy for the minority's so called "plight" to the point of criticism of the majority.
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Exactly but the idiot liberals calling Christians bigots and
Jul 29, 2012, 3:34 PM
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racists forget that blacks are very religious and are very anti-gay. Yet when Obama finally "evolved" his opinion that gay marriage was ok, black pastors fell all over themselves to give him a pass.
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The most pathetic part of this is the glaring hypocrisy of
Jul 29, 2012, 3:29 PM
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those on the left. Nothing new there. They love to bash Christians as racists and bigots and claim Christian beliefs are hate speech. They go out of their way to stop small town nativity scenes. Yet they love to defend Muslims. They often help Muslims fight for "Sharia Law" which s a bigger invasion of "separation of church and state" than anything Christians do. And last time I checked Christians don't treat women like 2nd class citizens. Other than Catholics, there are female pastors, and some denominations allows gay pastors. Muslims stone gays to death and women that have affairs and disfigure young girls that have premarital sex. So for liberals to bash Christian while staunchly supporting Muslims is beyond hypocritical, it's frankly beyond reason or logic.
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Stop being a #######
Jul 29, 2012, 3:40 PM
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I know many muslim people and they are not out blowing people up, causing harm to others or stoning women. They are normal people living their lives like you and I.
People have a problem with Chick fil a because they donated large sums of money to anti gay marriage groups. In this country an individual can believe whatever they want, that does not mean they should have the ability to deny things to others.
This gay marriage stuff is just nonsense made to distract us from real issues.
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Wow are you naive. Christians believe what they believe
Jul 29, 2012, 6:58 PM
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because it's in the Bible. Muslims believe what they believe based on the Quran. Liberals support Muslims and bash Christians. FACT.
Also, did I say all Christians are good and all Muslims bad? NO. So shut up. Everything I wrote is factual. Yes there are some bad Christians that have done some bad things in the name of Christianity, but those are a drop in the bucket compared to radical Islam.
In the Middle East, girls, women, and gays are brutalized and stoned to death for things considered morally wrong. That is an undeniable fact. To say otherwise is beyond ignorance. Last year there was a video online of a 19 yo girl being stoned to death in Iran for running away from an arranged marriage. Go Google "Islamic women stoned" and look at how many documented cases are available.
My sister is retired USAF and has been to the Middle East several times. Women are strongly encouraged to not leave the base while there. Female service members can get attacked or into trouble without doing anything wrong. Just them being women there as solders is an insult to Muslims that invited us, not the bad guys.
The left loves to bash Christians with reckless abandon, yet the left, especially comedians and newspapers, are scared to even go there with Muslims out of fear. The left is clearly not scared of Christians, but they are Muslims, which in a nutshell proves my point.
Juan Williams, a liberal and minority, was fired from NPR for simply stating an obvious fact that all reasonable and rational people agree with. You think he would have been fired had he said he'd be nervous to fly on a plane full or Christians? They would have given him a raise. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
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Re: My opinion on the Chick-Fil-A Ordeal
Jul 29, 2012, 3:39 PM
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We are to tell people about Jesus. He does the saving but He expects us to share the Gospel with people.
We are to hate evil but love the sinner.
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Please stop talking about Chick-Fil-A on here on the one
Jul 29, 2012, 3:43 PM
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day that they are closed. If you must beat a non-Clemson sports topic into the ground like this please do so Monday-Saturday.
Thank you.
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For those doubters
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This nation was founded on god!! In god we trust!! ...one nation under god...!!! Seriously find one thing in the bible that is untrue! You cant!! Dont talk crap about the bible and jesus if you arent smart enough to read the bible that you are talking bad about. I know that the johnboy hasnt because if he had half of those posts he wouldnt have mentioned!! Lets stop this and talk about Tiger football!!! Agree to disagree. Done!!!!!
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Re: For those doubters
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Find one thing in the bible that is untre? Two glaring things would be Noah's Ark and Adam & Eve.
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In my opinion the old testament is full of parables.
Jul 29, 2012, 11:03 PM
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Also in my opinion everything in the new testament is fact, strictly concerning the lives of Jesus and his followers.
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Re: In my opinion the old testament is full of parables.
Jul 29, 2012, 11:32 PM
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Could be...but he asked, I answered.
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I read the BIble, was FCA, Campus Crusade and
Jul 29, 2012, 8:29 PM
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then saw the world and came to conclusion that the God I was lead to believe existed would not allow of this suffering, famine and war. If you are born in middle class USA, prayers will get answered. If you are born in the Sudan in the middle of genocide, famine, and just seeing pain all around you, chances are your prayers aren't getting answered.
Tower of Babel doesn't seem to hold water.
Also, One nation under God was added to the Pledge of Allegiance much later.
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Don't let old testament parables destroy your faith.
Jul 29, 2012, 11:05 PM
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Clearly the earth wasn't made in 6 days as we know it today, and obviously a tower didn't fall and everyone scrambled speaking different languages. What is true is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. I hope you see that one day.
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Re: Don't let old testament parables destroy your faith.
Jul 29, 2012, 11:46 PM
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I didn't get that the old testament destroyed his faith...that it was the horrible genocides and other things happening all over the world today.
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I am more likely to believe Jesus was saved
Jul 30, 2012, 12:55 AM
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by time travelers from the distant future. However, the hole in my story is probably did not die on Good Friday or Easter, which would make it hard for time travelers to find him. Easter was just an assigned holiday that was once a pagan holiday, much like Christmas.
When somebody in the Aurora shooting says God saved his life, then what about the 12 that were killed? Did this all powerful and all loving God just decide to let his children perish, but let others live?
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How would you feel if someone donated $8 million
Jul 29, 2012, 6:57 PM
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to make sure that you could not get married. Or how would you feel if they donated $8 million to see that people couldn't get divorced, or that straight people couldn't live together.
He'd really like to do that too, but he doesn't have the nerve to throw that many customers under the bus. He bragged that he and all of his brothers are still on their first marriage.
It is not about tolerance. Gays could care less if you tolerate them To not tolerate them means you try to kill them. That is not going to happen here. That hppens in places like Sudi Arabia and Iraq. It is about the equal right to have their marriage recognized by the federal government and get equal rights and benefits. If those things aren't important then straight people should just give up those benefits and tell the gov't to get completely out of the marriage business.
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Chickfila donated to Focus on the Family. That group does
Jul 29, 2012, 11:13 PM
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nothing to physically stop gay marriage. They have a stance against it. Also, Cathy never lashed out at homosexuals, denied them service or anything of the sort. He stated his personal opinion. Chick fil a is a private company, who they donate to is their business. Cathy did nothing wrong, in fact it's called the first amendment. Your argument is flawed, majorly.
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Focus on the Family was founded by James Dobson.
Jul 30, 2012, 10:20 AM
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Dobson has stated that he is not only against gay marriage but civil unions. This would be denying the basic rights that spouses have when unions are recognized by the state.
He has also falsified research in order to deny adoption rights to gay couples.
It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to actively fight against something.
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that's just incorrect
Jul 30, 2012, 11:15 AM
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Just as with the hyperbolic reaction to what Dan Cathy said (or, what they wanted him to have said), a lot of what the pro- SSM people say about James Dobson is just wrong. He hasn't falsified research, and he surely isn't against basic civil rights for same sex attracted people. He probably just thinks that same sex relationships and opposite sex relationships are fundamentally different, because sexual difference matters to him. I'm not so sure I agree with him if he's against civil unions, but I do understand his point that "the basic rights that spouses have when unions are recognized by the state" should fit the institution being recognized, and that the government doesn't really have an interest in romantic relationships that aren't oriented towards procreation.
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It's not incorrect.
Jul 30, 2012, 11:26 AM
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This stuff is easy to find with a basic google search:
In an interview with Christianity Today magazine, Dobson also explained that he was not in favor of civil unions. He stated that civil unions are just same-sex marriage under a different name. The main priority of the opposing same-sex marriage movement is to define marriage on the federal level as between a man and a woman and combat the passage of civil unions later.[46]
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/january/21.60.html
FOTF also mis-represented research multiple times to promote their own agenda against gays:
Focus on the Family has been accused, on several occasions, of misrepresenting research.[53] Judith Stacey, one researcher whose work FotF used to claim that gays and lesbians did not make good parents, said that the claim was "a direct misrepresentation of the research."[54] She elaborated, "Whenever you hear Focus on the Family, legislators or lawyers say, 'Studies prove that children do better in families with a mother and a father,' they are referring to studies which compare two-parent heterosexual households to single-parent households. The studies they are talking about do not cite research on families headed by gay and lesbian couples."[55] James Dobson cited the research of Kyle Pruett and Carol Gilligan in a Time Magazine guest article in the service of a claim that two women cannot raise a child; upon finding out that her work had been used in this way, Gilligan wrote a letter to Dobson asking him to apologize and to cease and desist from citing her work, describing herself as "mortified to learn that you had distorted my work...Not only did you take my research out of context, you did so without my knowledge to support discriminatory goals that I do not agree with...there is nothing in my research that would lead you to draw the stated conclusions you did in the Time article."[56] Pruett wrote a similar letter, in which he said that Dobson "cherry-picked a phrase to shore up highly (in my view) discriminatory purposes. This practice is condemned in real science, common though it may be in pseudo-science circles. There is nothing in my longitudinal research or any of my writings to support such conclusions", and asked that FotF not cite him again without permission.[57] After her research on teen suicide was used by Focus on the Family to promote "conversion therapy", Elizabeth Saewyc said that "the research has been hijacked for somebody's political purposes or ideological purposes and that's worrisome", and that research in fact linked the suicide rate among LGBT teens to harassment, discrimination, and closeting.[58] Other scientists who have criticized Focus on the Family's misrepresentation of their findings include Robert Spitzer,[59] Gary Remafedi[57] and Angela Phillips.[59]
http://mediamatters.org/research/2006/12/14/experts-say-dobsons-time-column-distorted-their/140676
http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ci=108&ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=16911
http://minnesotaindependent.com/3800/minnesota-researcher-claims-focus-on-the-family-misrepresented-his-work
There are a lot more examples of this kind of thing. Dobson is actively trying to undermine the rights of gay people.
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It's been over three years since I've had access to
Jul 29, 2012, 9:47 PM
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Chick-Fil-A and though I strongly disagree with Cathy's stance on gay marriage, I respect his opinion and agree that he has the freedom to spend his money however he sees fit and support whatever agenda he chooses to. That being said, if a Chick-Fil-A were to materialize in my town, I'd rip into three #1 Combos with lemonade and a 12 piece nuggets with Polynesian sauce right NAAAOOOOOO. You boy-cotters are taking that delicacy factory for granted!
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You said one thing that I strongly agree with...
Jul 29, 2012, 11:15 PM
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"I respect his opinion and agree that he has the freedom to spend his money however he sees."
I don't know why more people can't see this fact.
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It Is Not an Ordeal
Jul 29, 2012, 11:52 PM
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for Chick Fil A's CEO. He expressed a personal opinion based on his reading of scripture. I agree with him. That so, gays are welcome in my church as is anyone.
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Orange Blooded [3769]
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To johnston. God gave his creation the right....
Jul 30, 2012, 1:23 AM
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To free will. He gives you the opportunity to take him or leave him. When you chose him it makes your commitment to him that much stronger. Think about it this way, if I'm right and God exists and Jesus was his son I go to a place greater than anywhere on earth. If I'm wrong I lived a good life that was acceptable to society, I disband that's it. On the other hand, what if you're wrong? What does that mean when you die? God said if you do not accept him as savior of your life he will not know you on your judgement day and therefore you will be punished for all the bad things in your life. Its a simple way to think about it but the situation at hand is really not that complicated. Your life is on the line. Not a risk would be willing to take.
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Everything you said was made up by man and
Jul 30, 2012, 8:58 AM
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not God. Did God really say it? Or did some guy that claimed to be the messenger of God say that he said it. In modern times, don't we view anybody that says they have a message from God as a nut job? What has changed since Biblical times until now? Again, it goes back to instilling fear and reward system in order to maintain control and order over people. Sprinkle in hope and you have a business with government interest that has people believing they need to be part of it for the sake of their soul.
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Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more
Jul 30, 2012, 9:46 AM
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hope for a fool than for him
--Proverbs 26:12
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.
--Romans 8:7
Your repsonse is nothing new...it is expected. God isn't sitting in the corner with his hat in his hand hoping you will come and talk to him. He knows many won't and so his love is equally balanced with his judgement.
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I am not saying I am wise or cast aside my morals
Jul 30, 2012, 11:11 AM
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I just look at the role and purpose of religion through history and decided the church I was socialized to believe was the path isn't. Everything you wrote was written by men who said they were closer to God then you were. You are a man interpreting what you think God is just like I am as well. None of us have been dead and comeback to see what really happens, so why would I blindly follow something out of fear when Christianity is just one of many religions in this world?
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The first four books of the new testament........
Jul 30, 2012, 9:57 AM
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Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John are individual accounts of the life of Jesus as they knew it. That is four different people who lived with Jesus that all came to the same conclusion. They watched him die and three days later was walking around on the earth again.
Also in regards to your thing about why God lets bad things happen. Here is a thing to think about. Everyone has their opinion on whether Hurricane Katrina was a punishment from God. Was it punishment or was it by the Grace of God that the levies actually held until after the storm had past before they broke allowing countless lives to be saved by giving them an opportunity to get out of their path before they broke.
You said you grew up in church and then later came to the conclusion it wasnt real. It seems like you feel that maybe something bad that had happened in your life should have never happened if there was a God. God has a plan for everyone's life and there isnt any changing that plan. He'll never give you anything you cant handle.
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And there are people who said Columbus was a brave explorer
Jul 30, 2012, 11:15 AM
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that discovered America when he was a ruthless fool, who did not realize he was not in Asia and killed many many natives for Gold.
I believe there is just a randomness to life. Life is a weird lottery where you can be born a Prince or born into the middle of Sudan. Where you can live a happy life surrounded by love til your 80 or starve to death and watch your love ones get massacred by the time you are 8. So there is your plan.
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Life's a #####, then you die.***
Jul 30, 2012, 12:22 PM
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But still what if you're wrong......
Jul 30, 2012, 12:37 PM
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Have you thought of what that means? If im wrong I end up in the same place as you. But if you're wrong we dont end up in the same place because you denied the Creator of the world's very existence. The consequences of you being wrong is so much more than me being wrong. I pray that God will open your heart so you may experience the same joy as me and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
If you want to see God and some proof I encourage you to watch this entire video. These things dont just happen, God is everywhere and his mark can be seen even in the very molecules that hold the human body together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPdB9WVpCBY
GOD BLESS
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Do you really think God lets you hedge your bets?
Jul 30, 2012, 12:39 PM
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I don't think believing in God because you're afraid not to is gonna work.
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Im not saying believe in God because you should be .......
Jul 30, 2012, 12:57 PM
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scared not to. Im saying believing the idea that the world just happened without any help is a hard idea to wrap ones mind around. There is a reason scientists can never find that "missing link" on how the world was created. I believe in God and have accepted him as my Savior because I have faith that his Son came to earth to die for me and forgive me of all of my sins. I dont have to be afraid of life without him because he is everywhere with me. And believe it or not he is with you, he wants you to accept him as well but he gave his creation free will so the choice is yours.
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Lol. Thanks for the testimony.
Jul 31, 2012, 12:07 PM
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I've been washed in the blood for 48 years, and am an ordained elder in my church. But thanks anyway.
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I would rather not believe in an egotistical, insecure God
Jul 30, 2012, 12:51 PM
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If being nice to other people, trying to help others along in this weird, strange journey, and trying to more good then harm is not good enough, then so be it. Because I will just go where the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and Native American go.
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I dont think that is a place you would like to go
Jul 30, 2012, 1:01 PM
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AS i said earlier I will pray that God shows himself to you and everyone else who is non believer so that you may experience indescribable joy.
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Just FYI, I was once religious and active
Jul 30, 2012, 1:05 PM
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in FCA, Campus Crusade, and volunteered at homeless shelters, inner-city programs, went on a mission trip to Mexico, etc.
I just came to the conclusion that it was all made up by man. That doesn't change who I am or trying to be a better person.
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Hopefully you will find your way back***
Jul 30, 2012, 1:26 PM
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Thanks, but don't need it. Very happy
Jul 30, 2012, 3:55 PM
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without. I feel like without Religion, I have gained greater insight into life and other human beings.
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It must suck to die when you're a child or be born in a
Jul 30, 2012, 1:23 PM
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country and never know about Jesus. Spending eternity in hell and not knowing ### happened would suck.
I'm glad I live in a country where people are so concerned about a chicken sandwich. Praise Him!
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sorry supposed to be when i die thats it***
Jul 30, 2012, 1:25 AM
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this was more entertaining
Jul 30, 2012, 8:48 AM
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than the Dark Knight Rises....
disclaimer: I haven't seen the movie, nor did I really read this thread....
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I feel that your second statement is incorrect...
Jul 30, 2012, 9:24 AM
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...and maybe a little biased. You have the right to your opinion, though, just like Cathy and anyone else in this country. I just think there are many Christians out there that do condemn and judge. Not saying that they should. I'm just saying that they do. The same goes for people with any religious or other strong belief.
As far as Chic-Fil-A, I couldn't care less that the proprietors of Chic-Fil-A are very religious (I'm not), and I don't care that Ben & Jerry are homosexual. If they've got a good product, I'll buy it. The problem is guys like Rahm Emanuel and Thomas Menino attempting to thwart the opening of businesses in their cities. I guess those two guys feel like Chic-Fil-A is discriminatory, but what they're trying to do is the definition of discrimination. Liberals think they know better than everyone else b/c they're "smarter" and "more educated." This is the real problem in the United States.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/28/Chick-fil-A-sandwiches-become-a-political-symbol
I do agree with your first statement, however. This thing with Chic-Fil-A is completely ridiculous. I think the plan is to support Chic-Fil-A on August 1 by going out and purchasing their product. I was told this by a guy at a Tea Party thing in The Woodlands, TX on Friday. That's the only thing I've heard about it, though. Either way, I plan to be eating some Chic-Fil-A on the first, but I do have to ask for no pickles. I care more about them putting pickles on my chicken sandwich without asking than I do about the company's beliefs.
GO TIGERS!!!!!
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Well said. And I hate those darn pickles too. What I love
Jul 31, 2012, 2:13 PM
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about this is how it's another perfect example of the ignorance, stupidity, and hypocrisy of those on the left.
Chick-Fil-A is a private company. They do not discriminate in any way as a business and have never had issues with discrimination in service or hiring and management practices. What they do with their corporate profits, however, is their business. They do not donate to any organizations that exist primarily to target gays. They donate to Christian organizations, some of which engage in anti-gay activities, but it is not their focus. I saw one report that listed all the groups the Cathy family, not Chick-Fil-A, but the Cathy family donates to, and the ones that were most involved in anti-gay activities were also the ones given the least money. Typically only a few thousands dollars or less, not millions like liberals and the media want you to believe.
Yet liberals have no problems with the millions and millions stolen from workers in America that are forced to be in unions and pay union dues, especially when those workers are not liberals nor democrats, and watch their hard earned money go to to support corrupt fat cat union bosses, democrats, and liberal causes. Once Scott Walker effectively made Wisconsin a right to work state union ranks plummeted. Clearly even in liberal states like Wisconsin, union membership is based largely on coercion.
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Re: My opinion on the Chick-Fil-A Ordeal
Jul 30, 2012, 9:53 AM
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amen brother
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I can't believe I read the whole thing
Jul 30, 2012, 10:47 AM
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I wish that people would start their statements with "I believe". Christianity is a belief. I believe that Christ died for my sins. My christian belief makes a huge difference in my life. Making statements as facts about the Bible and the life of Christ on Earth is senseless. We were not there when the Bible was written nor when Christ walked on this earth. It is interesting that we all make very strong statements based on little or no facts. Believe what you will believe. Christians pray for those who don't believe in Christ and God. Non-christians and Christians be tolerant of others views. Non-christians feel honored that there may be people that care enough about you that they pray to their God for your benefit. God Bless you all. (my belief expressed)
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I don't get that at all
Jul 30, 2012, 11:30 AM
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To "believe" Christianity without looking first to it's merit as being true or not is very foolish. I'm not staking my life on empty belief. My belief is based on me 1st being convinced that it is true! Hostile God-haters cry "myth, myth" but if they held every historical document to the same standard they do the Bible they wouldn't believe Abraham Lincoln was anti-slavery or Alexander the Great was a pretty good leader either.
After I was convinced the resurrection was true I still didn't like A LOT of what the Bible said, but why would any creature think they can say to God "What are you doing!?" Humble yourself and seek the Truth!
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This thread is AWESOME.***
Jul 30, 2012, 2:48 PM
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