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Just what am I missing?
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Apr 18, 2024, 3:50 PM
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The former POTUS is standing trial in a criminal case. No matter the political leanings of the DA, you don't bring a case of this magnitude to court unless you have a case. And if it is, as some say, a political hack job, and they don't have a case, then it plays right into Trumps hands. Would even a die-hard liberal democrat DA even let it go to court on a legal roll of the dice and give Trump the opportunity to say "See, I told you!"
What am I missing here?
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A brain apparently
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Apr 18, 2024, 3:51 PM
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you answered your own question. They wouldn't bring a case unless they have evidence.
News alert: They have evidence.
The real question is, do they have enough evidence to convict. That's what trail is for
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Re: A brain apparently
Apr 18, 2024, 3:55 PM
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I understand that. But if I'm a politician and not a lawyer (or a DA) the last thing in this world I want is to give Trump a stage. This show has just started.
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Justice has to be carried out. That's a crucial part of our democracy***
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Apr 18, 2024, 3:58 PM
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Re: Justice has to be carried out. That's a crucial part of our democracy***
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:08 PM
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Please. I don't need a civics lesson. Clearly my point was to refute any notion that this CRIMINAL TRIAL is just politics and that Trump is somehow being targeted by the left. If the evidence was not there, we wouldn't be having this discourse. They (the left) wouldn't have let it get this far. Anything other than conviction is a win for Trump. He's been screaming about how they're out to get him since the campaign trail of 2020. And maybe there legitimately are. That's how dirty politics is. But to bring a former POTUS up in an unprecedented criminal trial? All I could say, if I were a democrat, is that they better be right.
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I don't think Trump is getting a stage he wants here...
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:31 PM
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I think Bragg believes strongly that Trump committed business fraud as part of an underlying crime. So, he'll get his chance to make the case. Trump will have lawyers that will fight it hard. I think Trump is guilty, but there's a high bar in criminal cases for the Prosecution to clear.
In a Democracy, our leaders can be held criminally accountable if they've done something.
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What you are missing (and maybe not) is the recognition that there is
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Apr 18, 2024, 3:55 PM
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a subset of society that aren't capable of evaluating facts and coming to a conclusion, even if that conclusion isn't consistent with what they want that conclusion to be.
Therefore, everything becomes a conspiracy theory and they get further rooted into their inability to think objectively and the cycle continues to perpetuate itself until you get people that have extreme beliefs.
Reasonable people understand there is enough evidence of wrongdoing that he is being tried for it.
Unreasonable people just turn things into political conspiracies.
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First president ever brought up on criminal charges.
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:03 PM
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A DA is using a federal law that trump was neither charged with or convicted of as a basis for his state charges.
Our country is a joke and anyone that cannot see this banana republic bullsht; is my enemy.
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Re: First president ever brought up on criminal charges.
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:11 PM
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If he wasn't charged, why is he in court? Not a lawyer, but I think there has to be one before the other.
Not trying to make enemies. Just trying to get my head wrapped around this huge gamble the left seems to be taking if it's just politics.
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Hes using federal campaign law as his basis.
Apr 18, 2024, 8:35 PM
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Do you even know what is happening here.
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Maybe read the indictment? Falsification of business records.
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:18 PM
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In NY. NY business records.
Nevermind, I can't believe I'm even explaining this to you.
May be a great time for you to explore a country that's not a joke and not full of your enemies. Or therapy, that may also work but I doubt it.
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Falsification based on? Fed camping law?
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:36 PM
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That’s the issue. It’s “unprecedented”, just for Trump.
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It's gotta take an effort to be this ignorant.***
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:50 PM
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I'm 100% this won't help, mainly because you are so F'd in the head
Apr 19, 2024, 10:50 AM
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that NOTHING will allow you to think anything factual that gets in the way of your beloved crush, orange man.
Here's a couple of cases. Also, 9800 have been charged with this felony in NY since 2015.
Possible they made this "trumped up" (LOL) law in anticipation that orange man would one day run for President and lie about hush money paid to a stripper?
Or...maybe not made up just for DJT?
The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes.
The People of the State of New York v. Scott Kirtland (February 2022) — Insurance broker indicted for allegedly creating/filing fraudulent certificates of liability insurance to further scheme to defraud.
The People of the State of New York v. James Garner (November 2021) — Mental health therapy aide indicted for allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits.
The People of the State of New York v. Jose Palmer (November 2016) — Pleaded guilty to petit larceny for unemployment benefits fraud of over $3,000, having initially been indicted for grand larceny and falsifying business records in the first degree.
The People of the State of New York v. Jason Holley (November 2016) — Convicted by jury of falsifying business records in the first degree but acquitted of the predicate crime, insurance fraud.
The People of the State of New York v. Christina Murray (May 2015) & People v. Terrel Murray (May 2014) — Married couple convicted of house fire insurance claim, attempting to recover the cash value of various items of property that were ostensibly lost in the fire.
The People of the State of New York v. Barbara A. Freeland (June 2013) — Convicted for falsely claiming on a food stamps application that a young adult lived with her.
The People of the State of New York v. Maria F. Ramirez (August 2010) — Convicted for returning unpurchased items to a store in exchange for store credit, thus causing a false entry in a business record of an enterprise, and using the store credit to purchase additional items one day.
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Were any of those cases brought by circumventing the statute of limitations?
Apr 19, 2024, 11:02 AM
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You know that thing that ran out on Hunter's unpaid tax bills?
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I know the same amount about those 9800 as you do
Apr 19, 2024, 11:31 AM
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which is nothing. Not sure what Hunter has to do with anything other than I guess your political whataboutisms.
Fairly predictable take though from your sort. You know, get backed into a corner with facts and instead of admitting you are wrong just start bringing up other random stuff.
I guess it's ok to keep hope alive. Maybe one day your dream of meeting DJT in the bathroom of a Flyin J will come true.
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I invited you to feel them. You passed;
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:39 PM
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save your pssyfied comments for others.
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Please, kid
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Go get in line with the other people on this board who pretend to be billy bad ### and threaten fights. And I didn't pass on anything; I offered you a $1,000 bet I'd say it all to your face.
Are you stronger than the average male?
What a little puss.
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Re: Just what am I missing?
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:23 PM
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There is a case, but should be a misdemeanor or just ignored. I enjoy Trump having to sit there daily, but the case seems kind of meaningless.
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I disagree, because
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:39 PM
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if it wasn't Trump or some other A lister politician with clout and influence, there wouldn't even be a debate, charges would be brought and penalty paid if guilty
Also what he did was for personal gain, no benefit to country.
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Re: I disagree, because
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:42 PM
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"Also what he did was for personal gain, no benefit to country."
What's new?
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Re: I disagree, because
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The current State of NY vs Trump case is a concoction of a few old separate cases.
(1). An already settled case (I.e., #### ‘actress’ Stephanie Clifford aka Stormy Daniels was paid off in exchange for her silence; this is via what is known as a NDA (non-disclosure agreement). NDA’s are common ‘arms length’ agreements between two entities in which one party agrees to not discuss any private details or confidential information about the other entity; NDA’s are very commonly associated with payment or ongoing employment as the benefit for the party that agreed to not disclose the ‘protected’ information about the other party. Look up NDA’s and you’ll get a better understanding.
NOTE: NDA’s do not require either entity to make statements for public dissemination that go beyond ‘I am bound by a NDA with regard to such and such matter; therefore I have no comment.’
Ms. Clifford had apparently agreed either in writing to a NDA or perhaps it was just a verbal agreement (which would be extremely stupid, but on we go). An actual copy of the NDA between Ms. Clifford and Trump / Trump organization would be evidence to be subpoened; if there is a written one then it should show up in court.
(*). Ms. Clifford’s ‘I never had any relationship with Donald Trump’ public letter is not something that is likely a condition of the NDA. This letter itself makes the entire State of NY vs Trump case a near certain failure … but a biased judge can get a biased jury to either convict or acquit a defendant. More on the biased judg, below.
(2). Trump organization did not record the NDA payment to Ms. Clifford properly. I have no doubt that this bookkeeping error was purposeful, with the intent of the Trump organization being to obscure the money trail between Trump’s watching Ms. Clifford’s ‘live performances’ quiet. I think that Trump was married to Melania at the time of some of Ms. Clifford’s later era ‘private performances’ for Donald. So there is almost surely a booking misdemeanor at play here.
(3). Trump organization most likely paid Ms. Clifford’s NDA via paying ‘bonus money’ to then Trump organization lawyer / fixer Michael Cohen to in turn pay Ms. Clifford for agreeing to the NDA in a highly discrete manner. Cohen is plausibly believed to have purchased NY City taxicab ‘medallions,’ which, to my limited understanding are like prepaid taxicab fare tokens. These tokens can be sold in the marketplace kind of like scalped tickets to a sporting event, or like collectible baseball cards. This ‘mode of payment’ was almost certainly the sole idea of Michael Cohen; after all, the job of the ‘fixer’ is to make delicate transactions discreetly.
NOTE: Michael Cohen was summoned to court several years ago on this allegation of taxicab medallions as part of the path to generate cash to pay Ms. Clifford for her agreement to go along with the NDA.
To be continued …
filed an official letter that the allegations about her intimate relationship with Trump
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Re: I disagree, because continued (part 2)
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OK, back to the State of NY vs Trump case.
(2) … continued. M.Cohen lied in court about his role and actions with regard to how he manipulated the flow of funds used to ‘purchase’ Ms. Clifford’s acquiescence to the terms of the NDA. Cohen was caught lying; thus followed the first of at least three perjury charges against him. (Cohen’s law license was revoked as a consequence of perjury; subsequent perjuries have kept him from being able to get his law license restored.
NOTE: ‘Fixers’ are used by powerful people; this is shady business. Former NJ Governor Chris Christie deployed Christopher Wray (who subsequently was appointed by Trump as Dir of FBI via recommendation by C.Christie) as his ‘fixer’ in C.Christie’s illegal ‘Bridge Gate’ escapade. Wray made the Bridge Gate thing ‘go away.’ Wray is a dirty guy, M.Cohen is a dirty guy. Fixers are well paid in return for keeping their boss’ hands clean.
(*). Ms. Clifford’s pending testimony that she was lying when she wrote her unambiguous letter that she and Trump never had an intimate relationship will be highly un-credible to a reasonable juror. The juror might suspect that … this time … Ms. Clifford is telling the truth. But will her pending testimony establish Trump’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? Not to a reasonable person.
(*). Mr. Cohen’s pending testimony that Trump directed him to make illegal payments or coercive payments to Ms. Clifford will be highly un-credible. As of February 2024, Mr. Cohen had perjured himself two additional times. (This next part won’t likely be allowed in court, but Ms. Clifford’s former attorney, the currently imprisoned and disbarred Michael Avenatti, revealed in a recent interview with MSNBC that Ms. Clifford is a liar and that Trump … whom Avenatti hates … is innocent of the allegations that Ms. Clifford is now making about Trump.)
(3). Election interference allegations. This is the next part …
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Re: I disagree, because part 3
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Now for part three … election interference allegations.
(3). Election interference. This is where State of NY has jumped over Niagara Falls. The Federal Govt (DoJ) had formerly considered whether or not to indict Trump for election interference in the 2016:election by virtue of Trump’s alleged payoff of Ms. Clifford as a tactic to keep the voting public unaware of his (in this case, alleged) philanderings. The DoJ considered the evidence and then declined to bring forth an 8ndictmment. State of NY had also previously considered whether NY could reasonably bring forth a similar indictment against Trump; then State of NY anti-Trump AG Cyrus Vance also decided to not waste NY’s money to indict Trump on such flimsy charges.
Yet, here we are today. All out LawFare as the Uniparty’s last, best hope to get a conviction … no matter that any conviction on this indictment will be overturned on appeal … a conviction in the low level State of NY court will (theoretically, to benefit of the TDS faction) irreparably damage Trump in the minds of the vast majority of non-political junkie voters.
So … NY State has a judge whose daughter is a big fund raiser for the Democrat party; this girl has raised $93,000,000 for Democrat candidates. The judge himself is elected as a Democrat; he has made token donations to Demicrat candidates but none to Republicans. He’s biased as he77, but will not recuse himself.
Here we go!
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sh**libs are dumb and evil, a terrible combination.***
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Even the hardline Trumpers know he did something wrong somewhere
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But they can’t admit it. RTD, Murph,manac, et Al. Even Keowee with his little “you’re my enemy!" child tantrum. He knows.
Because admitting it would be admitting Trump is flawed. It means admitting the other "side" was right about him. And that means admitting they were flawed in throwing their adoration on him.
He is their identity now. And admitting he is a criminal means admitting their identity is ###### up. They were weak going into it. They needed a hero. They picked a bad one. They can’t stomach the "told ya so" that would follow.
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Re: Even the hardline Trumpers know he did something wrong somewhere
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Apr 19, 2024, 9:31 AM
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You are one effed up P O S.
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Re: Just what am I missing?
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:33 PM
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these trials are not intended to stick, just keep trump from campaigning
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I disagree completely....
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:39 PM
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All of the prosecutors in Trump's cases believe he broke the law with criminal intent.
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Re: I disagree completely....
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:44 PM
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pure politics, would be no charges if he was not running
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