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Orange Blooded [2080]
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Lowest rate of uninsured in the US ever....
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Mar 24, 2024, 4:26 PM
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https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/08/03/new-hhs-report-shows-national-uninsured-rate-reached-all-time-low-2023-after-record-breaking-aca-enrollment-period.html
We were around 16% prior to the ACA being passed. We were at about 10% right before the pandemic. We're now at 7.7%, which is the lowest on record.
And we've done this at the same time that healthcare cost inflation has subsided compared to the period prior to the ACA. This means that the ACA has either lowered healthcare cost inflation, or at the very least, it hasn't increased healthcare cost inflation. Healthcare spending was 17.2% of GDP in 2009, and was only 17.3% of GDP in 2022. It's flattened as a % of GDP, when in the previous decades prior to the ACA, it was growing.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/#Total%20national%20health%20expenditures,%20US%20$%20per%20capita,%201970-2022
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Lot o points [155973]
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Lowest homeless rate would be a great number too
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Mar 24, 2024, 4:28 PM
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Until you learned we all moved into tents to get there.
I’ll take my pre-ACA Cadillac plan all day long, thanks
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All-In [34598]
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what is that idiot smoking?***
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Mar 24, 2024, 5:18 PM
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All-TigerNet [13155]
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Most people on welfare ever, was the cost of Medicaid in your calculations?***
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Mar 24, 2024, 5:01 PM
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Also: “Changes in uninsured rates from 2020 to 2023 were largest among individuals with incomes below 100% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) and incomes between 200% and 400% FPL.”
So, you are celebrating higher enrollment of “free” services? Just another communist on Tnet.
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Orange Blooded [2080]
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Corporations have their health insurance subsidized...
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Mar 24, 2024, 5:57 PM
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If you're OK with corporations getting subsidized health insurance, then you should be OK with poor and working poor people getting health insurance. The working poor never had that until the ACA. Poor people with jobs are finally get tax credits, which corporations have had for decades (employer premiums for health insurance are tax deductible).
The ACA isn't perfect. But there are about 30 million people that would not have any health coverage, due to cost or due to pre-existing conditions, were it not for the ACA. Prior to the ACA, many people with health conditions were priced out of getting any health insurance at all...
I'm all for making more improvements. But the ACA has been a net good thing for America.
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All-TigerNet [13155]
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I beg to differ. Its just another welfare plan.
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Mar 24, 2024, 6:09 PM
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Lowest unemployment ever! And most on welfare ever. Something doesn’t jive.
Just the facts: The original 10-year cost estimate for ObamaCare, made in 2010, was $940 billion. In 2012, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) updated that amount to $1.8 trillion for the period between 2012-2022
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Orange Blooded [2080]
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Conservatives predicted the ACA would collapse....
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Mar 24, 2024, 6:19 PM
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they were wrong.
You're OK with corporations getting the subsidy, but not working poor or even middle-class. Got it.
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Heisman Winner [119745]
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LOL youre so ignorant***
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Mar 24, 2024, 6:41 PM
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Orange Blooded [2080]
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Great, substantive response. (eyes roll)****
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Mar 24, 2024, 7:19 PM
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All-TigerNet [13155]
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It would have if every bill since its inception hasnt included more funding
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Mar 24, 2024, 7:00 PM
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It’s a complete disaster that cannot sustain itself (which was what those evil conservatives were told). So in essence it was an abject failure on a monumental level.
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Orange Blooded [2080]
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Totally untrue....
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Mar 24, 2024, 7:18 PM
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The problem that conservatives have with the ACA is that it was supposed to collapse, but it didn't. It even withstood 4 years of Trump sabotage, who couldn't repeal it, but tried to use his HHS agency rules to neuter it. It even has withstood the removal of the individual mandate by a GOP congress, which would have forced more people to buy and would have made the plans cheaper if allowed to remain. And when the ACA Medicaid expansion was made optional by SCOTUS...well, here we are a decade later, and 40 states plus DC have chosen to expand. The vast majority of the non-expansion states are hard-Red states (all except Wisconsin & Georgia), and these are the states with the highest uninsured rates.
The talking points of conservatives hasn't changed with the ACA, even though it's been wildly successful compared to their predictions.
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110%er [5694]
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The pollen count is also down
Mar 25, 2024, 4:38 PM
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a direct result of Biden's new Federal Right to Breathe in the Spring act.
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110%er [7155]
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Big problem w. ACA (which follows Medicare guidelines) is poorer medical practic
Mar 25, 2024, 11:18 PM
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ACA’s ‘health care’ miracle masks a big factor:
The ACA guidelines (aka “assignments”) are Medicare Part B guidelines which are designed to cut costs for services; this is accomplished by eliminating screening services or screening service frequencies that are counter to what practicing doctors had routinely done before ACA went into effect.
Two examples, both of which sacrifice the health outcomes for 65+ year olds, both of which are very rarely mentioned proactively by physicians because of Medicare ‘assignment’ guidelines. (In other words, a physician who dares to recommend a screening test which is not in accordance with Medicare Part B assignment means either that [a] the patient will have to pay full price out-of-pocket for the test -or- the physician will have to eat the cost of performing the test.)
Prostate exam PSA (prostate specific antigen [cancer screening] blood test). Medicare Part B (and therefore ACA) does not pay for PSA test in men over 70 years old. This is awful; all men over 50, but especially men over 65, should have annual PSA test in addition to that ever-so-weird ‘finger up anus and feel the prostate’ exam. Prior to ACA, physicians typically recommended the PSA test to be run along with the various other items which are part of the overall blood panel. Now that the government implies that PSA tests are not needed for men over 70, old men too often take a physician’s recommendation for the patient to get (and pay for) the PSA test as being a scam by the doctor. The net health outcome is a higher risk for older men to get prostate cancer than before ACA.
Pap smears for women over 65. Government (I.e., Medicare B and ACA) guidelines are for women over 65 to not get a Pap smear each year. This suggests that older women are less likely to get cervical cancer than younger women. However, the exact opposite is true. (C&P from United Healthcare article … below.). For the same reason as with men / prostate PSA test, women too commonly suspect that a physician who recommends an annual out-of-pocket Pap smear is a scam artist who does not follow our ‘trusty’ govt guidelines.
ACA has led to a back door decline in the willingness of physicians to practice medicine as they know best because the ACA propaganda bullhorn is too pervasive to fight for long.
OK, here’s the UHC article C&P.
“Women over 65 may hear conflicting medical advice about getting a Pap smear – the screening test for cervical cancer. Current medical guidelines say the test is not necessary after age 65 if your results have been normal for several years. Recent research suggests otherwise.
Research shows need for Pap smears past age 65
As many as 20% of cervical cancer cases occur in women aged 65 and older, according to research out of the University of Alabama at Birmingham.1 Study results also showed that the rate of cervical cancer diagnosis was higher in women age 70 – 79 than in women age 20 – 29. Prior to these findings, the view was that cervical cancer was usually only diagnosed in younger women.
The outlook for cervical cancer is favorable when the disease is caught early, and regular Pap smear tests are the key to early diagnosis.
Does Medicare cover an annual Pap smear?
Medicare Part B covers a Pap smear once every 24 months. The test may be covered once every 12 months for women at high risk. Your doctor will usually do a pelvic exam and a breast exam at the same time. These screenings are also covered by Part B on the same schedule as a Pap smear.
You pay nothing for a Pap smear, pelvic exam or breast exam as long as your doctor accepts Medicare assignment. If your doctor recommends more frequent tests or additional services, you may have copays or other out-of-pocket costs.”
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Standout [312]
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Is the % of people on welfare higher? Or just the number?
Mar 24, 2024, 9:06 PM
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Because for most any stat, we will continue to set new records for total number of people doing X, because population growth.
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All-TigerNet [13155]
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Mar 24, 2024, 9:15 PM
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Orange Blooded [2080]
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All-TigerNet [10944]
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Re: I beg to differ. Its just another welfare plan.
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Mar 25, 2024, 4:29 PM
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Bringing in 7.2 million migrants will tend to increase the welfare numbers. They can't be expected to work.
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CU Guru [1071]
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Re: Corporations have their health insurance subsidized...
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Mar 25, 2024, 4:50 PM
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If you're OK with corporations getting subsidized health insurance, then you should be OK with poor and working poor people getting health insurance. The working poor never had that until the ACA. Poor people with jobs are finally get tax credits, which corporations have had for decades (employer premiums for health insurance are tax deductible).
The ACA isn't perfect. But there are about 30 million people that would not have any health coverage, due to cost or due to pre-existing conditions, were it not for the ACA. Prior to the ACA, many people with health conditions were priced out of getting any health insurance at all...
I'm all for making more improvements. But the ACA has been a net good thing for America.
Tax deductible for corporations is not a tax credit. I am a CPA and quit making statements that are false
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Orange Blooded [2080]
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Re: Corporations have their health insurance subsidized...
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Mar 25, 2024, 10:11 PM
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My wording was sloppy as I know a tax deduction is not the same exact thing as a tax credit. But in both cases, health insurance premiums are being subsidized by our government via the tax code . That is a fact.
If corporations are getting a tax benefit from offering health insurance, then individuals should also have something available to them as well. The right wing is ok with the former and not the latter, because they don’t give a #### about helping the working poor.
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No one likes you or knows you. Stop.***
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Mar 24, 2024, 6:07 PM
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Orange Blooded [2080]
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Why?....
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Mar 24, 2024, 6:16 PM
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If you don't like what I"m posting, then offer a response and not an attack.
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CU Guru [1071]
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Re: Why?....
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Mar 25, 2024, 4:52 PM
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If you don't like what I"m posting, then offer a response and not an attack.
Go to the Bumble Bees board, this is a Clemson board-not a Georgia Tech board
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All-TigerNet [10900]
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Celebrate corporate welfare, yay!***
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Mar 24, 2024, 8:31 PM
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110%er [5694]
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Everyone agrees this administration has worked miracles
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Mar 25, 2024, 4:37 PM
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on every front, including curing cancer. FOUR MORE YEARS!
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All-In [46825]
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I wonder how much of this spending per GDP is people just not going
Mar 26, 2024, 7:59 AM
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to the doctor because even while spending $600 per month they still have to pay an additional $150 on top of that and with the rise of inflation people are just not going.
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