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Let's do compare ourselves to Aub, Uga, LSU, and Usuc
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Orange Blooded [2523]
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Let's do compare ourselves to Aub, Uga, LSU, and Usuc
Nov 20, 2014, 1:26 PM
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Here's the tale of the tape:
Including 2010 to now, here are the records:
Clemson 45-18; 1 losing season (6-7 IN 2010);1 conf title,1 div title, 1 BCS bowl win
Georgia 44-19; 1-1 vs Clemson; 1 losing season (6-7 in 2011);2 div titles
LSU 51-13; 0-1 vs Clemson; No losing season ;1 conf title, 1 div title
Auburn 44-19; 1-2 vs Clemson; 1 losing season (3-9 in 2012) ; 1 NC, 2 Conf titles, 2 div titles
So Car 47-16 5-0 vs Clemson; None yet, but this yr is possible. ;1 div title
Comparable results?
How can we keep a coach with that record???//?????//??
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Oculus Spirit [94384]
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Can we factor in graduation rates and arrest?***
Nov 20, 2014, 1:30 PM
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All-In [30593]
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You need a new thread for this?
Nov 20, 2014, 1:34 PM
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You've already posted it. The records are very comparable, which makes it fair to compare other areas.
All of the above are much better against teams with comparable talent (I use 10 win teams). I don't understand your point.
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Orange Blooded [2523]
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I started a new thread so that others not involved in
Nov 20, 2014, 1:54 PM
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the longer thread might see it, too.
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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We understand yours, don't you worry your little head.
Nov 20, 2014, 1:55 PM
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We understand you want Clemson to win more championships.
We understand you want us to beat SCar more.
We understand you think Dabo should achieve more.
There's not a single actual Clemson fan who would disagree with any of that.
Where you like to get your jollies from is by assuming that maybe firing Dabo will give us a better chance at doing those things.
You fail to ever give any credence to the fact that there are more situations like Tennessee than there are Auburn where when you fire a coach...you are more likely to flounder for years (UT firing/running off Fulmer) than to even get back to about where you were with the guy you wanted to get rid of (Auburn firing/running off Tubberville).
Got it.....now tell us about WVU & the Big 12 again? LOL
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All-In [30593]
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I'll wait for the link where I've said to EVER
Nov 20, 2014, 1:57 PM
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fire anyone.
Post it
Or is all you got insults from years ago ?
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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Dance around it all you want, you're transparent...
Nov 20, 2014, 2:00 PM
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...and obviously really like to have a conversation when it's on your terms.
So do you thing Clemson should fire Dabo? Do you think we'd be better off in 4 years with him removed today?
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All-In [30593]
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No we don't fire Dabo
Nov 20, 2014, 2:03 PM
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I've never remotely suggested that. It's laughable that you can't have a civil discussion like others on here w / o attacking
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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I just asked you a question.
Nov 20, 2014, 2:18 PM
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Or are you the only one who gets to do that?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: I just asked you a question.
Nov 20, 2014, 4:00 PM
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Apparently he's the only one who can do it without getting so emotional.
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Re: I just asked you a question.***
Nov 20, 2014, 4:02 PM
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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Me too..***
Nov 20, 2014, 2:00 PM
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All-In [30593]
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You're the one throwing accusations
Nov 20, 2014, 2:06 PM
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back it up
I have plenty of posts that ARE VERY CONSISTENT
you just want to attack
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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Not attacking, you're just pathetically defensive.
Nov 20, 2014, 2:07 PM
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When folks ask you a direct questions.
Do you think we would be better off in 4 years changing HC's right now?
Easy question.
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All-In [30593]
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no, who said we should change coaches?
Nov 20, 2014, 2:10 PM
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answer that
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I'd say it depends on who is hired...
Nov 20, 2014, 2:13 PM
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Dabo is a well-liked and immensely popular coach who also happens to have a very good relationship with players, recruits, and the parents of players and recruits.
On that basis alone, we'd likely suffer some setbacks as the result of firing him, but the right hire would certainly minimize that just like the wrong hire would be detrimental.
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right... but he still can't back up his accusation and
Nov 20, 2014, 2:15 PM
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post a link to where I've EVER said to fire a coach
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CU Medallion [64770]
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Speaking entirely for myself....
Nov 20, 2014, 2:16 PM
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I don't ever recall reading a post from you calling for someone to be fired (even Jack and that bandwagon got real crowded last Spring).
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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OKayyyy...gotcha'.***
Nov 20, 2014, 2:20 PM
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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Which situation would have the greatest chance of happening?
Nov 20, 2014, 2:16 PM
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Thanks for answering btw...obviously York doesn't like to be in any kind of discussion where he doesn't get to set the rules or pigeon hole the conversation in the direction he'd like...
We could maybe get Gruden, or Saban, or ...well, whomever folks would likely say "OK this gives yo ua better chance than you have now".
However returning from lala land, and understanding Dabo has faults and shortcomings so far in his career...I'd suggest there is a far greater chance of making a change and getting worse instead of better.
Are folks happy w/ losing to GT? no W/ having really 1 answer at QB and basically really kind of suck on O w/o him? no
That said....we could be a hole hell of a lot worse, and what has been improved during Dabo's time tells me our best chance to continue to improve is to let the guy keep working at it.
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CU Medallion [64770]
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First of all....
Nov 20, 2014, 2:19 PM
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Dabo's not going anywhere.
That said, if it were happen, I do not have any confidence that the CU administration would go out and effectuate a "home run" type hire.
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Orange Blooded [3910]
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Don't disagree w/ any of that.
Nov 20, 2014, 2:20 PM
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Thx for playing.
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I don't think you understand what's being compared
Nov 20, 2014, 3:42 PM
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by posting the records, you essentially say "yes, we are comparable programs".... there's a faction that does not think we are
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Re: Let's do compare ourselves to Aub, Uga, LSU, and Usuc
Nov 20, 2014, 1:57 PM
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But the 2 games a year that matter most the last 5 years the Tigers are 1-9
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We have a segment of fans....
Nov 20, 2014, 1:59 PM
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who insist on b!tching and moaning after every loss and calling for various heads to roll. In fact, I am convinced that this same segment of fans would go out of their way to find something to gripe about even if the team was 12 - 0. Apparently some people just aren't happy unless they're complaining.
They love to point out Dabo's record against ranked opponents, and while I will be the first to agree that it absolutely MUST improve, you can't be overly critical of the losses and then downplay or not even acknowledge the seccesses.
You can't have it both ways.
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Dabo has done a fantastic job of beating teams that
Nov 20, 2014, 2:01 PM
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we should... fantastic
but he has to start winning the games where talent is comparable
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I completely agree !!!***
Nov 20, 2014, 2:03 PM
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Orange Blooded [2523]
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Or what? Curtains? You;ll write a letter to the BOT?
Nov 20, 2014, 3:30 PM
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We all want Clemson to win more, lose less, and take over college football.
You don't call for Dabo to be fired, but make sure to point out what he hasn't done. The innuendo is obvious.
If you're not intimating your wish to do away with Dabo, then what's the point?
Basically, it's just, "GUESS WHAT, WE HAVEN'T BEATEN USuC or FSU THE LAST 3 YEARS"!!!
Well, thanks for that news flash.
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Dabo has done a ton of good things
Nov 20, 2014, 3:34 PM
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no question
stop trying to take civil discussion and twist it to something else...
I constantly point to the good Dabo has done, but also talk about areas we've lacked
and what about that post offends you ?
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Orange Blooded [2523]
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The purpose of it.
Nov 20, 2014, 3:57 PM
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It doesn't have one other than to tear down the coach.
Pardon me if I'm carrying over some of the invective of a similar vein that's all over at STS, but that's what posting about Dabo's losing record to FSU and USuC while couching it in terms of 10-win teams, smacks of.
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All-In [30593]
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That's crap... You and I both know I don't attack
Nov 20, 2014, 4:05 PM
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Dabo
I'm one of the only ones on here that will talk scheme and system, and how I think that effects us, without emotion. I think Dabo has done a lot of good stuff, and in no way have I ever suggested he should be fired.
We do have trends, and when I pointed that out... You went straight to the crap lie that I wanted to fire someone.
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for CU youhave to subtract....
Nov 20, 2014, 2:01 PM
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for the woohoo!
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including 2010 which teams are winless vs the gamecocks??***
Nov 20, 2014, 2:26 PM
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Re: Let's do compare ourselves to Aub, Uga, LSU, and Usuc
Nov 20, 2014, 4:04 PM
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> Here's the tale of the tape:
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> Including 2010 to now, here are the records:
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> Clemson 45-18; 1 losing season (6-7 IN
> 2010);1 conf title,1 div title, 1 BCS bowl win
> Georgia 44-19; 1-1 vs Clemson; 1 losing season (6-7
> in 2011);2 div titles
> LSU 51-13; 0-1 vs Clemson; No losing season
> ;1 conf title, 1 div title
> Auburn 44-19; 1-2 vs Clemson; 1 losing season (3-9 in
> 2012) ; 1 NC, 2 Conf titles, 2 div titles
> So Car 47-16 5-0 vs Clemson; None yet, but this yr is
> possible. ;1 div title
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> Comparable results?
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> How can we keep a coach with that record???//?????//??
I heard on the radio yesterday that since 2009 in 19 games against Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Michigan USC is 17-2. Just saying you can pick and choose to get to any conclusion you want.
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