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It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 15, 2022, 11:04 PM
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passionate about Clemson basketball.
Just think what that energy and passion could accomplish if it were used for good, to support the program rather than tear it down all the time?
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We were all passionate during the Purnell years
Jan 15, 2022, 11:07 PM
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And gave Brad a chance. The best thing for these players and our school is to demand a change from this coach who is just counting minutes and cash in checks. The best way to support our program is to demand getting a coach who cares and represents us well.
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The best way to support our program is not to go full redneck
Jan 15, 2022, 11:17 PM
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and demand that our all-time winningest coach step down in the middle of the season.
There will be plenty of time after the season ends to evaluate the season and go from there.
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You mean the coach with the most loses in school history
Jan 15, 2022, 11:21 PM
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It’s time for a change. Everyone knows it. So why wait?
It’ll signal to our players we care about winning now, and we are moving in a positive direction. Probably save some transfers from happening.
It’ll also signal to good young coaches that there is an opening at a school that has shown in the past that they will support their program at an elite level and give the coach a long leash to develop their culture.
It’s the wise move.
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You’re being ridiculous.
Jan 15, 2022, 11:36 PM
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Class isn’t one of your strong suits, is it?
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As stated by bowlhunter
Jan 15, 2022, 11:53 PM
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You rip football every chance you get. You can’t argue about the well laid out points I’ve made about why it’s prudent to let Brad go tomorrow.
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Re: The best way to support our program is not to go full redneck
Jan 15, 2022, 11:21 PM
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Also our all-time losingest head coach
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I would like to clarify that I don’t think Brownell is loose just that he’s lost more games than any coach in Clemson basketball history.
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LMAO at “loosingest.”***
Jan 15, 2022, 11:37 PM
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Re: LMAO at “loosingest.”***
Jan 15, 2022, 11:39 PM
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The L’s count as much as the W’s unfortunately.
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I’m going to help you out here because I don’t think you understand.
Jan 15, 2022, 11:55 PM
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Loosingest doesn’t mean what you think it means.
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after what your former assistant did to your backside tonight
Jan 15, 2022, 11:56 PM
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I think he meant what he said.
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Re: LMAO at “loosingest.”***
Jan 15, 2022, 11:56 PM
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It’s not that I hate BB. He isn’t going to get us to the next level. The BS about him being the winningest head coach when he essentially became simultaneously became the losingest head coach is just ridiculous. He’s not the best we’ve had. He’s average in terms of Clemson coaches. He’s just exceptionally good at keeping his job.
We are going no where with him. We all know this. Let just take a shot with something new. We aren’t interested in consistently average best is the standard here. We can at least give some one a shot at doing that.
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Best is the standard, except when it comes to funding the program
Jan 16, 2022, 12:20 AM
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and showing up consistently for games. Then it’s “we’re a football school.”
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Re: Best is the standard, except when it comes to funding the program
Jan 16, 2022, 12:32 AM
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The problem is that he isn’t engaging the fans. I don’t think anyone is excited about the future. Dabo essentially faked the excitement for a few years to get people invested. He got the real coaches and facilities in place to make the run off of what was really just hope and a genuine heart on the table vulnerability.
Brownell is the polar opposite he does what ever he can to temper expectations so he can slightly exceed them to keep his job. If he’s going to be the guy he needs to go all in, the fans, the players, the admin, needs to be on notice that we are building something special. We have never had that from Brownell.
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Re: Best is the standard, except when it comes to funding the program
Jan 16, 2022, 7:19 AM
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We spent $60 something million on renovating Littlejohn 5 or 6 years ago. This was dead in the middle of Brownell's tenure. If the money should have been spent differently, I don't remember Coach Brownell speaking up and saying so.
As far as fan support, Littlejohn has been known to be a really hard place to play at various points in the program, so the fans are willing. If they are not supporting the Brownell teams well enough, are you not making an argument for why there should be a change?
To me, if he can get things turned around, get the team playing like it was a month ago, and get us back into the dance, then he should remain the coach. If not then we need to move on. Fan support isn't going to improve if they don't feel like the team is improving.
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Re: The best way to support our program is not to go full redneck
Jan 16, 2022, 12:50 AM
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Yeah
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Re: The best way to support our program is not to go full redneck
Jan 16, 2022, 2:15 PM
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…our all-time winningest coach.
You say that over and over.
What that means is that Clemson has left a mediocre coach in place so long that the sheer length of tenure has allowed him to win AND LOSE more games than any other basketball coach in Clemson history.
We can wait until the end of the season to make a move, but there’s no need for further evaluation. Real success for CBB is an extreme outlier; every year we retain him is an affirmation of Clemson’s dedication to mediocrity. You want to see fans excited and invested in Clemson Basketball? Hire a real coach who can recruit and develop talent.
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I’m ok with criticism of any of our coaches
Jan 15, 2022, 11:40 PM
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performance, but what’s with the smear campaign on his character? What has he done to earn this stigma that he doesn’t love Clemson or that he is just collecting checks?
That makes zero sense.
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Re: I’m ok with criticism of any of our coaches
Jan 15, 2022, 11:49 PM
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Get back in bed with Keller.
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But you told me I wasn’t leaving your
Jan 16, 2022, 12:03 AM
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bed tonight?
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Re: I’m ok with criticism of any of our coaches
Jan 16, 2022, 12:57 AM
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I apologize if your are referring to my above post. I am not implying Coach BBL is loose. It was a typo. I was trying to state that he has lost more games that any coach in Clemson history.
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 15, 2022, 11:07 PM
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It’s not the exception under Brownell. Just think if we had a coach that could connect with fans and channel that energy. The fans are there, we are just done with this guy and want something new.
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Please resign Brad
Jan 15, 2022, 11:07 PM
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There’s nothing else left to say
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 15, 2022, 11:07 PM
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Are other programs more passionate and supportive (that have similar records over the years)? How is that measured and is that something you can prove we are less supportive?
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Gotdam you are relentless
Jan 15, 2022, 11:08 PM
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I support Clemson basketball, not Brownell. Sort of like Tommy Bowden with Clemson football - stopped going to the games before Dabo was hired.
You honestly don't think it's time for a change? From an objective standpoint. The risk/reward of pursuing another coach at this point is minimal at best. Outside of contract obligations, the reputation of our program has zero to lose. I'm just not seeing it Judge.
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Re: Gotdam you are relentless
Jan 15, 2022, 11:14 PM
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He’s not a Clemson basketball fan at all. He’s a Brownell fan.
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No, I’m a Clemson basketball fan first.
Jan 15, 2022, 11:39 PM
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I just recognize the idiocy in demanding more from a program that is poorly supported to begin with.
We already get a great ROI with men’s basketball. That’s precisely why Brad keeps getting raises and extensions. The AD knows that we are better than we should be based on how we fund basketball and how our fans support it.
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Re: No, I’m a Clemson basketball fan first.
Jan 16, 2022, 12:05 AM
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So you’re a Clemson basketball fan who rips the Clemson program and says they don’t support the team and rips Purnell any chance you get. Got it. You’re fooling no one.
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Re: No, I’m a Clemson basketball fan first.
Jan 16, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Having been a BB coach, it doesn't take money o make the right decisions during a game. Q.E.D.
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He’s a TROLL !!!! He’s wet his diaper FULL 4 times in this
Jan 15, 2022, 11:41 PM
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thread alone.
And spunked twice.
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Deer Lowered
Jan 15, 2022, 11:09 PM
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at the ridiculousness of this post.
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Just stop.***
Jan 15, 2022, 11:11 PM
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 15, 2022, 11:17 PM
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We have a basketball team?
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Ah yes, old faithful…***
Jan 15, 2022, 11:26 PM
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Lol
Jan 15, 2022, 11:28 PM
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Judge: YoU dOnT sUpPoRt BaSkEtBaLl
Also Judge: the football program is overrated and in shambles and not elite and I will rip them any chance I get.
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It’s sad that you
Jan 15, 2022, 11:28 PM
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blast us fans for wanting more than mediocrity!
Pathetic actually!!!
Time to move on from the ??
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I have never blasted anyone for wanting more than mediocrity.
Jan 15, 2022, 11:35 PM
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We should want better for our program.
But we have no right to “demand better” if we aren’t willing to put our money where our mouth is.
Given Clemson’s level of support in basketball, we don’t deserve what we’ve gotten with Brad. We deserve less. So please spare me with the sob story about how we don’t want to be mediocre.
If you want to be better at basketball, prove it. Tell Graham Neff that you want to be a top 25 program and will do whatever it takes to make it happen, even if it means sacrificing some money for the football program.
Are you willing to do that? Or do you just want to complain and hire another “young up and comer,” hope he wins, and hope he stays?
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Re: I have never blasted anyone for wanting more than mediocrity.
Jan 15, 2022, 11:40 PM
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Dude really. We just got beat at home with a 23 point lead by a team that’s less funded than us. According to your earlier post. Not much else to say
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We’ll I’m not looking to get into
Jan 15, 2022, 11:43 PM
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a long term philosophical debate with you.
All I wanted for tonight was to beat the worst program in the league, at home, in a game we were favored to win by 10.5 and had a 23 point first half lead in.
Is that too much to ask for?????????
Time for the ?? to hit the road!!!!!!
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Yep Brownless got pimp slapped by a former assistant
Jan 16, 2022, 12:02 AM
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at a worse Bball school than us
Time for change.
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What if Brad took part of his
Jan 15, 2022, 11:48 PM
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Salary and put it towards assistants like Dabo did ?
I’m sure Brad’s 401k is flush by now. If all he needs is money for assistants he should make it happen and get us over the hump.
The acc’s crap negotiation skills have put us at a competitive disadvantage to the sec and bIG.
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He did that in the past.
Jan 16, 2022, 12:24 AM
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Don’t you think Clemson can come up with enough cash to get our assistant coaches above average pay? Is that really a lot to ask?
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Re: He did that in the past.
Jan 16, 2022, 1:26 AM
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Do I have hope that BBL is going to make us a power in BB? Do you? The answer is no. Why invest in something you don’t believe in? Get someone I can at least kind of believe in.
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Shut up Brad.***
Jan 15, 2022, 11:32 PM
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Shut up Brad.***
Jan 15, 2022, 11:33 PM
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 16, 2022, 1:28 AM
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Ia this real?
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 16, 2022, 1:36 AM
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Yeah, blame the fans you don’t care about for not supporting a program that isn’t going anywhere. But bank a few million in the process.
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No, Mrs. Brownell.
Jan 16, 2022, 6:14 AM
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What's sad is that you continually blame fans and administration for our basketball plight instead of placing the accountability where it belongs. Your schtick is getting old and tired. Take it with you when Brad does the honorable thing and resigns.
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It is sad that Brown L has sucked the life and energy
Jan 16, 2022, 9:17 AM
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out of this program to the point where the little passion that remains is focused primarily towards seeing him hit the road. Can't agree more. Time to corral what's left of that energy and use it for something good, like finding some new blood at the helm to lead us out of this decade-long malaise.
Go Tigers!
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 16, 2022, 9:54 AM
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If you build it the fans and support will come. He never built any consistency. In football we have 10 plus wins. In baseball we are winning the midweek games and typically 40 wins per year. Brownell never built stability.
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 16, 2022, 10:52 AM
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Please...............
Do you think that would change the outcomes?
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 16, 2022, 11:00 AM
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It’s hard to be passionate about an underperforming inconsistent product. Judge you just don’t get it. You must as some are saying be Brownell. I could go on but you would never agree.
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What’s sad is that after a horrible home loss with poor coaching again on display
Jan 16, 2022, 12:01 PM
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your immediate response is to once again go after the Clemson fan base.
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Re: It’s sad that it takes a bad loss to get many of you to be
Jan 16, 2022, 12:05 PM
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Just out of curiosity why are u so passionate about the basketball team. I am a die hard Clemson fan also and support the basketball team and hate to see them struggle, but u seem to be connected in some way. Please understand this isn't meant to be negative in anyway?
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