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Orange Blooded [4020]
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Is supporting the Constitution still a conservative value?
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Nov 28, 2023, 2:30 PM
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Asking the MAGAts on here.
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Re: Is supporting the Constitution still a conservative value?
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Nov 28, 2023, 2:47 PM
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"In their appeal against the Colorado lawsuit, Trump's lawyers reiterated that the wording of Section Three does not apply to people running for president and that Trump technically did not swear an oath to "support" the Constitution. Instead, during his January 2017 inauguration, Trump swore to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution during his role as president.
"The framers excluded the office of President from Section Three purposefully," Trump's legal team wrote. "Section Three does not apply, because the presidency is not an office 'under the United States,' the president is not an 'officer of the United States,' and President Trump did not take an oath 'to support the Constitution of the United States.'
You cannot possibly support this and be conservative.
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F Colorado and their whacked out AG... All these 'regional' prosecutions need to
Nov 28, 2023, 2:55 PM
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be ABOLISHED!
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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When a president says he does not support the constitution, it's not
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Nov 28, 2023, 3:05 PM
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"regional prosecutions" that are the problem.
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Not much of a fan of states trying to dictate federal situations a la carte.
Nov 29, 2023, 12:53 AM
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You KNOW this is a biased political prosecution. That can work both ways.
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What was Colorado doing again?
Nov 28, 2023, 5:35 PM
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Trying to keep Trump off of the ballot for a crime for which he has never been charged with much less convicted of? lol.
Liberals are a cancer and need to be radiated out of existence.
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Nope.***
Nov 28, 2023, 3:16 PM
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Re: Nope.***
Nov 28, 2023, 4:04 PM
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What was the "Constitutional Conservatives" are now the RINO's or NeverTrumpers. 😆 😆 😆
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It's like Mencken said.
Nov 28, 2023, 5:40 PM
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The average man’s love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary.
I would posit they only saw the Constitution as a hedge against liberals, but never as an impediment to their own designs for government power. Much like how "states rights" is often now merely a euphemism for local tyranny. See Texas.
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All-TigerNet [13147]
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Whos the tyrant in Texas?***
Nov 28, 2023, 6:04 PM
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"Posit"? You're a frickin' clown. Go ask 'Zohan'. He's a Colorado resident.***
Nov 29, 2023, 12:57 AM
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Re: Is supporting the Constitution still a conservative value?
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Nov 28, 2023, 4:36 PM
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It’s a pesky document to Trump it certainly appears and has been that way for many liberals for years.
Trump is more of a transactional devotee of the Constitution rather than a pragmatist interpreter of the Constitution as many liberals are.
The Constitution with its Amendments and the process for Amendments is the bedrock of our country.
Anyone not supporting it has no business as President. Full stop.
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Re: Is supporting the Constitution still a conservative value?
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Nov 28, 2023, 5:00 PM
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I'm fairly certain Trump has never read the Constitution and doesn't care what it says. I don't recall liberals walking around with miniature copies of the Constitution, but I remember when conservatives did this and tried to convince us they cared about supporting and upholding it. This parallels with all those years that conservatives pretended to uphold and support Christian values. I've got to give DADDY credit for exposing a large part of the conservative base as being total frauds.
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Yeah..... I think Ron was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I would
Nov 29, 2023, 8:31 AM
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take that bet that Trump has never read the Constitution. And, if he did, it wouldn't matter to him anyways. Nor does it truly matter to populists, either liberal or conservative. Populism is innately divorced from static principle, most especially the Constitution. Fixed ethics have a way of hindering blind pursuit of public opinion about "what's best." In the post-Trump era, we've even seen just how flimsy "Christian" morality is when it comes to make sure "our guy" is in power to get things done.
Neither Constitution nor God dare stand in their way to make this a Christian nation where the Constitution is supreme!
Like I said Mencken said — 9/10s imaginary.
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That's a trick question
Nov 28, 2023, 5:16 PM
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MAGA folks aren't conservative and don't share traditional conservative values, but they don't understand ideology so they think they're that.
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The "Brennan" authority on 'conservatism' speaks... the same tired BS.***
Nov 29, 2023, 12:59 AM
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Re: That's a trick question
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:35 AM
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I think many Trump supporters "think" they're conservative but Trump has never been nor ever will be a conservative so it baffles my mind how so many are still behind him.
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Check your premises.
Nov 29, 2023, 8:40 AM
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The people who support Trump have never been conservatives. They are a mixture of conspiracy nuts, Bible-thumping populists, and anti-establishment types who don't care if the new regime are liberals or fascists so long as they're new and "outsiders."
These are the same type of people who in 2008 jumped from Ron Paul to Dennis Kuccinich.
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Re: Check your premises.
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:43 AM
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That's why I said they "think" they're conservatives.
I do refuse to believe nearly half the country are conspiracy nuts though. Well, at least I'm hoping. 😉
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IMO the majority of them are just anti-establishment.
Nov 29, 2023, 8:50 AM
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Though the conspiracy nuts are picking up steam, thanks to Q.
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'Q' doesn't have anything to do with it. We "conspiracy nuts" know the facts.
Nov 30, 2023, 8:45 PM
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Why do you think they're 'conspiring' to censor the Internet? They don't won't the masses to know the truth.
If you want to be a 'conservative' Uni-Party cuck,... good luck.
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Here are your different types of Trump voters
Nov 30, 2023, 10:18 AM
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-The actual Republican conservative who was so terrified of a Hillary presidency, he voted for Trump just to keep a Pub in. He later realized what Trump really is and might have still voted for him in 2020 out of fear of Biden, or he might have gone 3rd party. However, he's disgusted by Trump and wants him purged from the party so the GOP can return to real conservatism. He'll never vote for Trump again.
-The economic conservative. He really could give two ##### about the social issues, but he wants to make money and he thought Trump was good for business. And at first, he was right. But then the Trump admin started ####### around with the tariffs and other economic #### and then COVID, and he realizes that Trump's instability creates more potential economic disaster. He was disgusted by Jan. 6 and will never vote for Trump again.
-The former leftist who is still a leftist and doesn't realize it. But he thinks Hillary/Obama abandoned him, and he doesn't like the uber-radical lefties. These are some of your worst Trump supporters and you can't pry them away from Trump's teet. They puff weed and blast Five Finger Death Punch (no hate for FFDP; just building the stereotype) while wearing flat-brimmed baseball caps at the age of 40. They know 0.0 about anything with the economy, but they love how Trump talks like a bad ### and makes the fed stronger--not caring that it's against conservatism. They couldn't recite the Bill of Rights to you if you held a gun to their head (except 2nd Amendment). When you press them on ideology, you'll find they're pro choice, anti-free market, anti-cop, etc., but they bought some guns so they think they're conservative. Likely atheist or agnostic. They move to the South from NY or Chicago or Ohio and think they're now "home" without realizing most of the redneck bumpkins in this state hate them and think they're liberals. These people embrace their new pseudo-conservative identity and think it might be cool to have someone like Trump for president forever.
-Extreme right wing who think they have finally found their savior. They are so evangelical that they want a theocracy. They ignore all of Trump's leftist tendencies and latch on to the false Christianity Trump pushes (they think it's real) and the anti immigration and the veiled racism (although they'll claim it isn't racist). They think a 2,000 year old book that they embrace should dictate all, even to the point of taking all rights from women (but they won't say that out loud... but they think Hand Maid's Tale is a good instruction manual). They're easily duped and are very gullible but think they're intelligent, which is why they so easily dismiss what Trump really is. They care not about economics or diplomacy; just stick to the Bible and all their favorite discriminatory passages in there. They don't really want a civil war or people to die... but, well, if it serves the greater good, okay! Just make it a new theocracy with a Trump monarchy.
-The anti-establishment conspiracy nut. Sometimes the religious nut above drifts into this realm. Believes every outrageous conspiracy theory and thinks Trump has discovered the bad guys behind them, so he's going to save us from it! Lives out in the sticks and only surrounds himself with like-minded crazy idiots, so he truly believes most of America adores Trump. That's why the elections don't make sense and we should just do away with em. A Trump dictatorship is what America needs for the greater good, and we have to upend the entire system. Which means we probably need a civil war to destroy our evil, murderous, oppressive government... by murdering the people who don't agree with them. Thinks he's a "3 Percenter" and somehow has a plan to survive against the government when bullets start flying but doesn't realize he wouldn't last a week.
-The white supremacist revolutionary who wants a Fourth Reich. A small faction, but he's there. Only hears Trump's racist dog whistles. Wants to shoot you in the back of the head in the woods if you don't 100 percent agree with everything he believes in.
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Agreed, they definitely think it
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Nov 30, 2023, 7:56 AM
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As they take another toke from their joint and dream of more big government but "I done shot some guns last week so take that libs!"
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Its certainly not a liberal value***
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Nov 28, 2023, 5:37 PM
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It's not a value of any extremist...
Nov 29, 2023, 7:44 AM
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Because the Constitution was built with safeguards against extremists. That's both left and right. It clearly isn't a value of Trump supporters.
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Glad to see you consider RvW extremist.***
Nov 29, 2023, 8:29 AM
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Glad to see you consider the Jan. 6 players extremist.***
Nov 29, 2023, 8:39 AM
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Re: Is supporting the Constitution still a conservative value?
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Not supporting democrat socialists and soon-to-be commies is definitely still in as a conservative value. Also, not killing kids. Also, not killing jews.
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Re: Is supporting the Constitution still a conservative value?
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Nov 30, 2023, 6:04 AM
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Well, I don't know ANY commies and I don't know ANY people that support "killing kids". However, I do know that history teaches us who supports "killing jews" ....
Are these the "democrat socialists" you refer to?
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Re: Is supporting the Constitution still a conservative value?
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Nov 30, 2023, 6:12 AM
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