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4 year anniversary of "15 Days to Stop the Spread"
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Some interesting accounts in this twitter thread....
https://twitter.com/TheCensoredRock/status/1768240751685623894
I imagine that someday someone will document the multitude of crazy US reactions/responses to COVID and put it all in a book. Generations not yet born will one day read it and rightfully think we all had lost our marbles....
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Re: 4 year anniversary of "15 Days to Stop the Spread"
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Mar 14, 2024, 9:29 PM
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my gubmint sent me checks for missing work, but i didnt miss a day
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Same. So I gave mine to someone who actually had
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to stop working and wasn’t getting paid.
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How cute, Big Money... You're really a pathetic piece of chit.***
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I'm not, but thanks.***
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What was teh limit on those?
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I didn't get a single friggin' penny from the gubmint for anything.
I was still paying Trumps tax increases though.
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It was like single <$85k, couple <$170k or something.***
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Re: 4 year anniversary of "15 Days to Stop the Spread"
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Mar 14, 2024, 10:06 PM
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After about two months, we figured out this wasn't Ebola and started taking advantage of hotel deals. Now, we tried to avoid most people, but if the world was going to end, it wasn't going to end with us locked in our house.
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Re: 4 year anniversary of "15 Days to Stop the Spread"
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Mar 14, 2024, 10:45 PM
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Remember having some random wait staff kid take your temperature before allowing you to walk into a restaurant (masked of course) then taking off the mask and eating like you were suddenly immune from the almost certain death virus because you were now at your table and therefore immune? That's some high end science right there.
Can't imagine why anyone would ever doubt the competence/integrity of the goons who signed off on any part of that idiocy. And don't doubt for a second that lefties would take us back to the days where most of us were trapped at home while they were allowed to burn, loot and murder as they saw fit because, once again , science.
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There was a lot of things that never passed the common sense test.
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The massive public run on toilet paper at the beginning of the COVID outbreak - never understood that one...
Chief among the "doesn't make sense" to me was the approved use of non-medical, non-N95 certified cloth masks (which is what almost everyone was wearing) as protection against COVID. These cloth masks, most of which were haphazardly worn and some even homemade, couldn't block sawdust particles or the smell of a fart much less submicroscopic viral particles. Yet as long as you had that nasty germ infested piece of cloth smashed up against your face showing your "compliance" to the totalitarian COVID cult you were allowed to go about your business.
How about all those instructional videos on how to clean COVID from everything you bought in the store before bringing the items into your house. Got to make sure to clean the COVID off that can of beans...
Quarantining non-sick, healthy people was the order of the day and shutting down our public schools was probably the most harmful thing our Government(s) have done to children in my lifetime.
What is disheartening is that 4 years later and there has not really been a full, unbiased, authoritative accounting of all the public health policies and Government mandates instituted in regards to COVID. The politics of COVID almost prevent us from actually learning from our period of COVID insanity so we don't repeat the stupidity when something like this occurs again - and it will happen again.
COVID exposed the inner totalitarian that resides in a lot of our political class so my guess is that they are in no hurry to have their authoritative decisions examined in any sort of educational or informed hindsight.
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Re: There was a lot of things that never passed the common sense test.
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This honest analysis hasn't happened because the same template will be used to force us to do the same things, or worse, when this inevitably occurs again. It was all about forced compliance, not the nonsensical science which the people with their guns to our heads used as a cudgel to strip away many of our most basic rights, almost overnight.
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We were all fed a bunch of BS early on
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Mar 15, 2024, 9:19 AM
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Oddly enough, over time, China's early studies and information they released about covid have been proven true, and despite their hiding the source, their information about the virus itself has been accurate, while FauciCDCWHO et. al. have lied. And they knew they were lying.
I'll list some of the bigger lies:
Wash your hands: You can get covid from touching contaminated surfaces. Reality is only 1 in roughly 10,000 covid infections come from fomite transmission.
6 feet/social distancing: If you keep 6 feet distance from people and avoid large crowds, you are safe. Reality is covid is airborne, and can survive for up to an hour in the air even after the infected person leaves the room. It can spread via HVAC systems as well. Again, because it's airborne.
Plexiglass: This prevents the spread of droplets and keeps you safe. Fact is covid is suspended, as an aerosol, in the air, and plexiglass does zilch to protect anyone.
Vaccines will end the pandemic: Vaccines will stop transmission and the virus will die out. Fact is, the vaccines can't stop covid because our own immune system can't stop it. It has all the hallmarks of a virus that will be around forever. Then they said vaccines slowed spread. Nope. All vaccines did was make the illness milder.
Herd immunity: Once enough people get covid, we will reach herd immunity and the virus will die out. Nope. See the vaccine comment above. The herd immunity goalpost was also constantly raised. 50% needed. 60% needed for herd immunity. Then 70%. Then 80%. Then 90%. 99.97% now and still, no herd immunity.
The virus is slow to mutate: Relax everyone, the virus is very slow to mutate. Early CDC studies showed it only mutates 1-3 times a year. Less than influenza. Therefore, vaccines will end it. Fact, 4,000+ mutations later, this was BS.
And finally, the biggest lie of all. Covid is a pandemic. Pandemics end. One day covid will just go away (DJT). Negative. Covid was only a pandemic that first year. Even calling it one now is a lie. Covid was a new human virus that will be around forever, like influenza. A flu pandemic is a novel strain of influenza. We get one every 50-100 years. A covid pandemic is a novel strain of SARS-CoV2. It started like influenza, a pandemic of pandemics. And there will be others with covid, and more frequent due to the rapid rate of mutations. There are things worse than a pandemic. We have been conditioned to think of influenza when we think of a pandemic. No one ever considers a brand new virus.
So at the end of the day, NO ONE trusts anyone. It's all very surreal really. And the lies continue. Some researcher in Australia has published a study showing long covid is no more common than long influenza. He studied several thousand people for post-viral conditions, and found similar rates of occurrence after influenza and covid. Roughly 4%. So he says long covid is fake. Only 4% of people who get covid get long covid symptoms, and 4% of people with influenza get long influenza symptoms. If you take him at his word, and pretend his data is accurate, you then have to consider the average human being on Earth has had covid 3.5 times since 2020. The average person will get it 1.5-2 times per year. From December 2021 to March of 2022, over 70% of human beings on Earth got covid. Again, going by averages, there have been in the neighborhood of 28,000,000,000 (billion) covid infections since 2020. 6 billion in a 3 month period alone at one point. That tiny 4% long covid rate, for a virus that infects 10x more people than the flu, 10 times more frequently, that 4% adds up to big problems. Most people get influenza once every 5 years or so. To make a comparison, even with similar rates per infection of prolonged symptoms, you still can't make that comparison because one virus is as transmissible as measles, the other as transmissible as..... the flu.
Masks were helpful, but not a solution long term. For example, countries where everyone wore cloth/surgical masks, saw almost zero influenza. In fact, one common strain of influenza actually went EXTINCT during covid, because of the mask wearing. The flu strain literally no longer exists. So they helped, but likewise, masks stopping the flu and not stopping covid shows you the difference between the viruses. Covid is many times more transmissible.
Shutting down schools only happened 3 weeks for our kids. So I'm not sure about that. With that said, roughly 70% of covid infections that have been traced (in recent times) come from children. Oh, another lie. Children don't get covid, and if they do they can't spread it. And in the rare occasions they do get covid, it's mild. False. Today they're the most common spreaders of the virus. As I type this my 6yo son has a fever, has had one for 3 days now, has missed 3 days of school and is on his 3rd covid infection. It's as bad as the flu for him. Other son had a fever NINE DAYS with covid. And here's the CDC saying you can miss only one day of work with covid, and here's the school complaining about student absences chronically high when we're only following the pre-covid guidelines now anyway. 24 hours of no fever, and 24 hours of no vomiting. And with these pre-covid rules, kids are still missing twice as many days as before the pandemic. BECAUSE OF COVID. If I sent my son to school today, covid or not, he'd be sent straight home because of his fever, and then we will still get the nasty truancy letters from the principal complaining about how many kids are absent these days. smh.
The lockdowns were also needed, but it wasn't to break the curve. Unfortunately, the virus doesn't spread like we'd prefer. Places like NYC needed a lockdown earlier, while SC locked down too early, and prevented nothing. Only two places really experienced the full wrath of covid without measures. one was India, and Wuhan was the other. When Delta erupted in India (the fourth pandemic covid variant btw), India had been doing zilch for protective measures. Also, Delta was first discovered in India 4 MONTHS before it erupted nationwide. This is how the virus works, and it's something we are not adept at confronting. The dynamics of the virus spreading are gradual, but exponential as well. The more people get it, the more people get it, the more people get it. As such, by the time hospitals notice an influx, it's too late as you're already looking at three to four weeks of cases even if you lock down at that time. And here's the kicker, even locking down does little in urban areas, because covid is an airborne aerosol, and as such transfers via HVAC systems in high rise apartments in urban areas. So it will still spread there, EVEN LOCKED DOWN. This was when China finally threw in the towel with omicron.
And one more thing almost no one knows. From December to March of 2022 (right before inflation appeared worldwide out of nowhere), Omicron was the most transmissible human respiratory virus that scientists had ever studied. It was up there with (or surpassing) measles, who traditionally has held that record. It is estimated in a 2 month period 70% of human beings on Earth got omicron. Almost everyone I know had covid between 12/2021 and 3/2022. We really don't know an exact number because it was impossible to test even close to adequately, but most estimates put it up concurrent with measles, and some estimates went beyond measles.
I think the lesson learned has been about our lack of humility, and our faith and trust in government has been hurt immensely. Now, here are some of the things Chinese studies showed. By mid-2020 they showed covid was airborne, and an aerosol. WHO and CDC said it wasn't, then admitted it was 2 YEARS later. China said the virus dysregulates type 1 interferons. Viruses that do this tend to be around forever, and vaccines don't work on them (flu, herpes, covid, HIV, common cold, norovirus, etc). This really shined a spotlight on everything else. Then the long covid mystery, which wasn't a mystery because they documented long SARS in 2009 from the 2003 SARS epidemic. Same symptoms. But somehow it was new and mysterious/unforeseen with covid.
In another day and another time, covid would have killed far more people. Honestly, the worldwide response to it (MOST MORE THAN THE US BTW) was incredible and represented perhaps the largest response to one of the worst viruses humanity has confronted since perhaps The Plague. And before everyone goes off on the .5% fatality rate or whatever else, consider this. When Spanish flu hit in 1918-1919 there was no such thing as antibiotics, anti-inflammatory drugs and NO SUPPLEMENTAL OXYGEN. There were very few vaccines as well. To date almost 7 million Americans have been hospitalized with covid. The threshold for that hospitalization generally coincides with dangerous blood O2 levels. If covid hit in 1918 we would likely have in the neighborhood of 6 million deaths in the US, probably more because no vaccines, which have kept millions more out of hospitals today. In the day of Spanish flu, covid would have been worse than Spanish flu. And the best part, the "Spanish" flu wasn't even Spanish at all. It was most likely "American" flu, but we said it came from Spain because our leaders lied and had a war to fight. Some things will never change.
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Some of what you list as "lies" weren't really lies....
Mar 15, 2024, 10:17 AM
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Early-on, the health community was trying to learn about the virus. So, washing hands was recommended until they learned more and realized it wasn't as helpful against Covid, because Covid was not spread on surfaces.
Not a lie. Just an update based on new information.
C'mon, man. You know the difference between a "lie" and an update based on new information. Geez.
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When you heard people say "There is no evidence..."
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Mar 15, 2024, 11:02 AM
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How many times did you hear that. There is no evidence of this, there is no evidence of that. THERE WAS EVIDENCE, only those saying there was no evidence were not seeking evidence, and ignoring the evidence of dozens of other countries.
Here's how it works. You seek no evidence, and you therefore find no evidence. Find no evidence, and you can "truthfully" say "There is no evidence". This way people will think something isn't happening, or isn't real, or hasn't been studied, and think the negative must be true.
The problem with this approach is many academic institutions in dozens of countries all across the planet WERE SEEKING EVIDENCE, and they found evidence, and they published evidence, while the CDC published nothing and claimed there was no evidence. ONLY when forced by actual facts and observations would the CDC then do some study, find the same evidence everyone else found (months earlier and in some cases YEARS), and then do a 180.
And then there are the things scientists say should be studied, that many scientists studied, that the CDC never studied. Viral load tests, for example. They do them in Asia and did frequently. They were never done in the west.
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Re: When you heard people say "There is no evidence..."
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How many times did you hear that. There is no evidence of this, there is no evidence of that. THERE WAS EVIDENCE, only those saying there was no evidence were not seeking evidence, and ignoring the evidence of dozens of other countries.
Here's how it works. You seek no evidence, and you therefore find no evidence. Find no evidence, and you can "truthfully" say "There is no evidence". This way people will think something isn't happening, or isn't real, or hasn't been studied, and think the negative must be true.
The problem with this approach is many academic institutions in dozens of countries all across the planet WERE SEEKING EVIDENCE, and they found evidence, and they published evidence, while the CDC published nothing and claimed there was no evidence. ONLY when forced by actual facts and observations would the CDC then do some study, find the same evidence everyone else found (months earlier and in some cases YEARS), and then do a 180.
And then there are the things scientists say should be studied, that many scientists studied, that the CDC never studied. Viral load tests, for example. They do them in Asia and did frequently. They were never done in the west.
Do not confuse him with rational thoughts
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There's updating information and then there's lies.....
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Mar 16, 2024, 9:25 AM
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When a sitting president calls Covid a "Democrat Hoax", that's a lie.
When right-wingers say that the vaccine kills, that's a lie.
When people say that the vaccines didn't save lives, that's a lie.
When some advocated Ivermectin & Hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid, that's a lie.
When people says that Fauci engineered the virus, that's a lie.
That's different than the CDC changing guidance on hand-washing & mask-wearing.
I think you know better, but for some reason, you can't bring yourself to admit the difference. I'm not sure why.
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Red State governors were also doing lockdowns....
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Mar 15, 2024, 9:26 AM
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The average length of lockdowns between red and blue states wasn't that much. And most businesses were voluntarily doing their own lockdowns. My company was having us work from home not because of some government policy. It was for our safety.
I know you guys want to bash "The Left" every chance you get.
But for some reason, we're not allowed to criticize the guy who presided over all of it. The fat orange guy that said that Covid was a "Democrat Hoax" in late February of 2020.....he's not the one you're angry at. It's always someone else.
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Ron DeSantis had the national guard turning people away on I-95
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Yep. Hard to believe huh?
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Re: Red State governors were also doing lockdowns....
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I entirely that the ruling class of both parties, including Trump, lost their collective minds at the beginning of the process. However one side of the political spectrum gradually realized it was nonsense and started walking back much of what had been implemented while the other, to this day, refuses to even acknowledge anything was done wrong other than what that mean old Trump said or did. I hold both parties equally accountable for what happened in 2020 but there was a noticeable shift that has occurred since, but only on one side of the aisle, although I'll grant you that many of them would also probably fall right back in line next time as well.
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Come on man...there were a LOT of people dying...
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Mar 15, 2024, 12:43 PM
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I agree there was a fair bit of over-reach, but it had nothing to do with "ruling class" BS or the desire for power.
In general, I believe leaders were primarily acting in the public's best interest based on what they knew at the time. In my opinion, it was the people so quickly turning this into a political/ideology based issue (on both side) that did the most "damage".
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Covid became political when Blue states diverged from Red states
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The COVID matter became political when the Blue states diverged from Red states with respect to the enforcement of vaccinations.
Blue states became increasingly intense, via actions to discriminate against non-vaxxed people. In-person access to public services, coercive measures to discourage private businesses from doing in-person business with the non-vaxxed, pressure campaigns targeting private companies to force vaccine compliance on their employees.
Many Red states did the same thing.
Here is how it became political: Red states made the adjustment and scaled back the coercion of vaccine measure; this scaling back in the Red states had begun in earnest by ~ mid-year 2022. On the other hand, Blue states resisted these adjustments because the OBiden Handlers Administration remained unchanged in their recommendations about their ‘pro-vax’ initiative throughout 2023.
It was disloyalty if a Blue state did not remain in lockstep with what the OBiden Handlers Administration was recommending.
(*). This is the essence of politicizing the COVID 19 situation. The true science about the poor efficacy of the vaccines -&- the horrifying absence of good manufacturing procedures with respect to the commercial production of COVID 19 vaccines. Yet, to this day, the government has not come clean. Regardless of whether Trump admin &/or OBiden Handlers Admin knew about the problems with the COVID vaccines in 2021, it is undeniable that, as of 2023, the govt KNEW about the vax problems. Yet, here we are in 2024, and no admission of any problems. The OBiden Handlers Admin owns it all now; they are undeniably engaged in a lie of omission.
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Not the way I remember it...
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Mar 15, 2024, 2:29 PM
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I seem to recall the President at the time berating governors for shutting down, interjecting some kindergarten nick-names for good measure, etc...
The COVID issue become political well before the vaccine was even an option!
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Re: Not the way I remember it...
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No leftist should ever let facts cure them of TDS.
Ignorant people everywhere look up to outspoken TDS’ers as role models.
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One side of the political spectrum definitely lost their mind....
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And it was the Republicans, who many started to advocate against vaccines & masks (as if being asked by local politicians or businesses to wear a mask during a pandemic was the equivalent of dictatorship or something). This likely cost us 300K or so deaths in this country, mostly within Republican circles.
Early on, it made sense to do the lockdowns & to advocate social distancing & masks, to give the health community time to learn about the virus and how to treat victims, without being overwhelmed. It also bought time while the vaccine was being developed. The lockdowns made sense.
Once the vaccine was out, and once we knew more about the virus, it made sense to change guidance. As the pandemic wore on, the bluer areas did better against Covid than the red areas, where denialism was killing people.
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We were shutting down our plant for a big equipment upgrade
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The entire engineering staff, and maintance staff was out with Covid besides me.
I covered the job of 15 engineers, supervising hundreds of contractors, signing off on alignments and all sorts of crap. I think I logged 28 straight 16+ hour days.
I didn't know whether to shiit or go blind about halfway through it.
Good times.
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And I use to think seven 12s was a tough gig... Bump that, eh...?***
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Fools gonna be fools
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Beating to death the Mark Twain axiom again: It is easier to fool someone than to get him to admit that he is a fool.
With regard to COVID 19 vaccines, people who passionately parroted the ‘trust the government / follow the science’ trope are a vivid embodiment of Twain’s axiom.
These ‘trust the govt’ people dutifully took the vaccine in 2021, thanks to the government’s jackhammered messaging that the vaccines were safe and effective. ‘Trust the government / follow the science’ was their cry; those who did not do as they were vilified as ‘science deniers, murderers, anti-vax conspiracy theorists, and Trump-tards.’
These same ‘trust the govt’ people gradually stopped taking the vaccines throughout 2022 and 2023, despite there being no change in the government’s recommendations to take the boosters. When querying these ‘trust the govt / follow the science’ people as to why they stopped taking the vaccines, they said that the current COVID variant is not as dangerous.
OK, fine. But why did these people stop trusting the government and stop following the science? The government narrative did not change. When did the government ‘start’ lying? 2021? 2022? 2023? And why do they keep saying ‘trust the govt.’. Silence.
Fools gonna be fools.
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There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
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The fools were the idiots who refused the vaccine altogether, and hundreds of thousands of them died needlessly because of it. The US was a hotbed of anti-vaccine disinformation, mostly on the right-wing, and that's where the deaths were mostly occurring as the pandemic moved into the post-vaxx phase.
At this point, the virus has mutated to where it's not as deadly. So, it makes sense for some to no longer want the boosters (I've had the primary series and 3 boosters; i take booster every year, fwiw, with no side effects other than a sore arm).
I'm not in favor of vaccine mandates. I do think it was a tragedy that only 70% of the country got the primary series, when it should have been closer to 85-90%. That would have saved many lives.
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Re: There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
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Mar 16, 2024, 11:14 PM
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Are you still taking the COVID vax each time a new one becomes available?
If not, then why not? The govt still strongly recommends the vax as being a safe and effective way of battling COVID. Same as they have done since Q1-2021.
I’m interested in your response.
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Re: There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
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Mar 17, 2024, 1:17 PM
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Leftists think that when they decide not to get a recommended govt vaccine that it's because they are smarter than the government and know whats best for their personal health situation. However when somebody else does the same thing it's because they are anti vaccine nut jobs who should be imprisoned for attempted murder and fired from their jobs.
It's kid of like how they supported the science that allowed large groups of leftists to burn, loot, and murder to their hearts content but didn't allow others to attend funerals of loved ones or even to say goodbye to them before they died. Same science , but with two entirely different set of rules.
One thing about leftist trash is that they never want to follow the same rules they gleefully inflict on everyone else.
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Re: There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
Mar 17, 2024, 9:34 PM
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I have taken each booster update. I have had three boosters in addition to the original primary series. Everyone in my family has done the same. At this point, the virus has mutated and is not as deadly as the earlier variants. But the boosters are safe and provide protection.
Sadly, many right wingers rejected the primary series in 2021 and they disproportionately died.
FREEDOM!!!!
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Re: There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
Mar 17, 2024, 9:51 PM
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Did the govt actually say that the new variants are not as dangerous as the original variants, yet keep their ‘get the vax’ messaging unchanged?
This is a rhetorical question, but still interested in your response.
Assuming that your answer to the above is “yes,” then would that constitute a lie of omission? If not, then please explain.
Thanks … I am truly trying to understand your thought process.
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Re: There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
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Mar 18, 2024, 6:44 AM
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Well the government has acknowledged that the virus isn’t causing as much deaths and they also have ended the public health emergency conditions. So at this point, it’s not surprising that fewer people are getting the boosters than the original series. The stakes are not as high and it’s morphed into an extra yearly flu shot. These aren’t fools. Your line of thinking is nonsense and based on a false premise that our government hasn’t acknowledged that conditions have changed.
The fools were the people that rejected the vaccines to begin with, when the pandemic was at peak deadliness. That type of anti-vaccine thinking flourished on the right, and caused hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
You have it completely backwards…
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Re: There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
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Mar 18, 2024, 11:07 AM
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Whatever admissions that the govt offered that current variants are less dangerous than the original variant was done quietly, and not associated in any way with their unchanged original bullhorn message.
That you learned via govt whispers that contradicts our same govt’s original messaging, and that public entities such as colleges & universities and governmental departments such as the military continued to mandate the vax long after the original (dangerous) variant had faded out simply reinforces my assertions that the govt knowingly misled the non-medical community.
Good for you that you dug deep enough into the recesses of health information to learn that the govt’s ongoing pro-vax bullhorn was not worth following. Kind of wicked of you that you are unconcerned about the millions of other Americans who continue to trust the govt implicitly, and thus continue to take a vax whose reward vs risk balance makes taking the vax the wrong decision.
The only reason that the military has backed away from their vax mandate is because recruitment hit the skids. The military would have backed away from the vax mandate in early 2022 had they recognized that forcing vax resisters out of the military would lead to today’s military numbers crisis.
At the end of the day, the govt’s message remains the same for pro-vax message as it was back in 2021.
And yes, the coercive aspect of the pro-vax message is political, because the current people in charge of the WH are the ones who took those coercive measures.
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Re: There was nothing foolish about taking the vaccines....
Mar 18, 2024, 4:33 PM
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You can’t end a public health emergency “quietly.” Whitehouse.gov was talking about this as far back as 2022. Your narrative is completely wrong. The fools -as usual -were the Red Hats buying the anti-vaccine disinformation. It wasn’t people like me that were fooled. It was people like you.
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I 'memba the days of Gubner Leghorn shutting down the boat ramps,
Mar 18, 2024, 10:05 AM
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and seeing TWO Mt Pleasant cops cars with the their blue lights going ALL DAY blocking Shem Creek boat landing.
I also 'memba people who had their boat on a lift in the backyard and taking their neighbors or friends out in the their boat...and everyone getting carded by DNR because it was supposed to be "family" only together on the boats. And god help you if you rafted up with someone, or went to one of the sand bars and stopped.
I remember seeing people on Sullivan's Island beach get $1050 tickets if they stopped walking or sat down on the beach.
I also 'member Gubner Leghorn lying about shutting anything down during his last campaign.
And I'll let y'all guess who was president then, but it wasn't the bumbling idiot that's in office now.
Somehow, it seems like I'm the only one that remembers all that stuff.
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Re: I 'memba the days of Gubner Leghorn shutting down the boat ramps,
Mar 18, 2024, 11:16 AM
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Social distancing mandates during 2020 are not close to being the same as forcing citizens to have some non-approved FDA Emergency Use Only concoction into their bodies.
Your example is an obvious attempt to distance the OBiden Handlers Administration from their dishonest messaging about the necessity of continuing to take the vaccines -and- their criminal coercion to intimidate citizens to take the vaccine long after the original dangerous variant had mutated itself into oblivion.
You know that the OBiden Handlers Admin was terribly wrong, and worried about the political consequences which might befall them for their mismanagement of the COVID problem.
You should be worried.
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