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Orange Blooded [2025]
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I'm sorry but Crowder looks embarassing
Aug 3, 2013, 2:10 PM
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disappointing right now to me. Obviously he didnt get the message......... he's not ready to play at all.
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Re: I'm sorry but Crowder looks embarassing
Aug 3, 2013, 2:12 PM
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uh he is a freshman. he dont need to be ready. he will get in shape and be just fine.
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I hope so DE........... I trust you on that***
Aug 3, 2013, 2:14 PM
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And we have a cluster of like 7 or more Sophs on the OL
Aug 3, 2013, 2:21 PM
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better to get him RS'd, get him physically ready, and have the bonus of a 2 year split from that crowd.
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So you're ok with freshman being slack ### and doing nothing
Aug 3, 2013, 2:36 PM
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to prepare to contribute? I bet you wouldn't be saying the same thing if M. Alexander, Jordan Leggett, and maybe some of our freshman RBs came in with a gut and physically out of shape.
I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for anyone...including a freshman. If this program wants to truly become stacked where we are reloading instead of rebuilding, these freshman need to be prepared to contribute...not wait till their junior year to be prepared.
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he has prepared, he has lost 30 pounds and has another
Aug 3, 2013, 2:38 PM
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30 to go, he will be ready after his RS year.....
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I hope so...just wouldn't want another Spencer Region
Aug 3, 2013, 2:42 PM
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Guy's got all the talent in the world but doesn't seem to want to use it.
I think the coaches will ride Crowder hard though...
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Region has talent?
Aug 4, 2013, 3:37 AM
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How do you know? I've seen him on the field once, against Furman this past year I think. He can't move
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Because I trust other universities and their evaluations
Aug 4, 2013, 1:07 PM
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Have you ever looked at his offer list? This was of course back when he was 330lbs.
And yeah, he doesn't move that well and I'd be willing to bet the farm that it's all due to his weight. There is no telling what he tipped the scales at during the Furman game. But obviously, if his weight limits his movement on the field, wouldn't it be a pretty safe bet that it limits him in practice? This was my whole point....there should never be an "off season" for O-linemen. It's detrimental to their growth as a player, regardless of whether they start.
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Re: Because I trust other universities and their evaluations
Aug 4, 2013, 1:43 PM
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All of those offers came when he was in high school blocking 250 pound linemen who ran 5.8 40's. He got those offers because of his size and hopeful potential, but he could never really move too great. Add on a good 40 pounds of guy, he became useless
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Region is also 6'6"...not 6'-6'1"***
Aug 4, 2013, 3:50 PM
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Re: Region is also 6'6"...not 6'-6'1"***
Aug 4, 2013, 4:20 PM
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we talked with Region @ baskb game last year.. that is one LARGE young man!!
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Rock Defender [54]
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You been paying attention to college sports a long time?
Aug 3, 2013, 4:02 PM
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Do you think M. Alexander, Jordan Leggett, or either of the backs were told and understand they could have immediate impact? Crowder? ..not so much.
Sometime freshmen take some development. Figured every fanb of any sport knew that?
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So that's a free ticket to do what you want in the off
Aug 3, 2013, 4:55 PM
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season? This is why I hope to God people like you are not strength and conditioning coaches at any level...even peewee. It's a mentality that needs to be brought with them. Yeah, he may not contribute his freshman year, SO WHAT? Does that mean sit on a couch and eat potato chips? #### NO! If M. Alexander was told that he probably wouldn't play because we are already loaded at CB with exceptional talent, I would have THAT much more respect from the young man for pushing himself that much farther and getting a jump start on his preparedness. I don't believe I've ever heard anyone say, "we are over prepared." Do you think his weight may limit him in practice? I do. Do you think that may set him back a little? It's very possible. Are you ok with that? Sounds like it...
In the end, it's a mind set issue. It shouldn't be about whether or not he is going to start. No one should have that mentality. They should practice, train, eat, study as if they will be starters...I figured every fan of any sport knew that...
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No its not and I don't believe anyone said that, but....
Aug 3, 2013, 9:00 PM
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again, have you been paying attention to college sports for very long?
Every sport, every school.. some freshmen need more time to develop than others, plus they have probably already told Crowder he's going to redshirt, plus, he's already lost 30 pounds.
I think you're way off on this. Much to-do about nothing.
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I agree that some freshman need more time to develop
Aug 4, 2013, 1:34 AM
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But I disagree with you where that development should take place. You can come in physically ready to compete, you may not have the complete skill set, but physically the tools can all be there. Crowder's recruiting weight was 315 and he was strong as an ox hang cleaning well over 300 lbs. He was much more lean and physically fit to compete prior to coming to Clemson. Clemson should not have to waist time working with Crowder to drop another 30-40 lbs that he should have gained in the first place.
You say he's already lost 30lbs and the big weigh in has him listed at 345. You mean to tell me this kid gained 60 lbs and was up to 375 (at 6'1" no less, and that's a stretch) and some how that's ok or expected of freshman? Not buying it.
It may be a lot to do about nothing and I sincerely hope you are right; however, Spencer Region has struggled with his weight as well and is rarely spoken of albeit that is partly due to injury. Still, he is a RS sophmore and has continued to struggle with his weight after arriving at Clemson at 330 lbs.
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Rock Defender [54]
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So the fact that this type of thing happens every year, in
Aug 4, 2013, 1:37 PM
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every sport, at every college.. it has no bearing on your opinion? You think the entire college sports world has it wrong, but you have it right? Personally I think you're reaching. Badly.
It's not my statement that he lost 30 pounds.
http://www.tigernet.com/update/football/Caldwell-Crowder-lost-30-pounds-spring-game-11603
It happens. Everywhere. Every year. In every sport.
Kids can improve. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. But singling out one kid and suggesting he's somehow different than decades of precedence, well, that's kind of silly.
Don't worry though, the coaches won't "waist" their time with him. Either he will eventually get in shape and contribute or he won't. But trying to pass judgement on him as a true freshman, that makes no sense. And I'm not sure where you get that he's a true sophomore, but that's wrong too.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Correction:
Aug 4, 2013, 1:55 PM
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I said you said he was a true sophomore, but you actually said he's a RS sophomore. That's wrong too. He's actually a TRUE freshman.
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So incoming freshman gaining 60lbs of fat happens to every
Aug 4, 2013, 1:57 PM
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guy in every sport at every college? Where are you getting this info?
Also, I was referring to Spencer Region as a RS sophomore in my previous post.
I'm afraid, it looks as though we are going to have to agree to disagree. I don't see this tremendous amount of weight gain as the norm...even for offensive linemen, especially at his height.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I'm confused?
Aug 4, 2013, 2:15 PM
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He came in from HS at ~ 325 pounds. He apparently put on a bunch of weight while unable to work out, but then lost 30 pounds following spring ball. He weighed in at 345lbs the other day. 345lbs for a true freshman who will redshirt...big deal.
Where are you getting that he's gained "60lbs of fat"?
I don't have a data table of exact weights of every true freshmen needing development in every sport in every school in America, but wow, you really are missing the big picture here.
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Rivals had him listed at 315, but other reports did have him
Aug 4, 2013, 3:49 PM
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at 325 also. So if he was 315, now weighs 345 and has lost 30 pounds already...simple math...60lbs. Regardless, even if gained 50 lbs, it is still a lot of extra weight to carry into the beginning of football season.
What makes you think he was unable to workout? Were there reports that he was injured that I'm missing or something?
You don't need a table of weights to know that claim is ridiculous. You stated "every year, every sport, at every college" deals with this. Your assuming gaining 50lbs of fat is normal, I'm here to tell you, it is not. Do you have any other athletes by comparison that have done the same since this is "the norm" and should be relatively easy to find? It does not take a sports science expert to see that.
I could maybe, MAYBE see your point if the guy was 6'8" and gained 50lbs, but crowder is 6'1" and reports have suggested that he may actually be closer to 6'. That is A LOT of weight for that size and yes that IS a big deal. That is down right dangerous to his health, especially considering the fast paced practices Morris runs in his HUNH offense in the heat of the south.
I want you to read this section and read it carefully. I believe Crowder will get his weight under control. I believe Clemson's offense, by its own nature, won't allow for that kind of stature. And in the end, it may not be that big of a deal. I simply would demand more of my freshman if I had any position of authority on Clemson's football team and certainly wouldn't write off Crowder's excessive weight gain as a normal attribute to incoming freshman.
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This is really quite funny actually....
Aug 5, 2013, 11:55 AM
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How old are you and how long have you been paying attention to college sports? If you been paying attention any remotely significant time, then you have seen numerous kids at Clemson alone who needed more development time than others. Again, I never assumed "50 lbs of fat is normal", but similar development issues crop up every year, at every school, in every sport. I just don't understand how anyone can claim to be a fan of college sports and not see that? Tyrone Crowder is not some sort of anomaly and he is a TRUE FRESHMAN who is not going to see playing time. If we're still talking about this this time next year, then there may be an issue, but to suggest that's the case at this point in time is silly and actually kind of ignorant.
The kid said he was unable to work out while working on his senior project. You said he gained "60lbs of 'fat'". Where did you get that? He came in at 325, got up to some unknown weight, lost 30 lbs from that unknown weight (due to hard work) after spring ball in April, and he just weighed in at 345lb in August. He lost 45 lbs because the coaching staff put demands on him. So where are you getting "60 lbs of fat"?
Bottom line, again, either the kid will get it or he won't, but Tyrone Crowder is not atypical of a lot of freshmen especially those who know they're going to redshirt. It IS a common attribute.
Too, for you to anonymously log on to the internet and act like you have the first clue about his deal, or how he should be coached, well, that's just kind of funny really.
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i don't think he was expected to play; most true freshman
Aug 3, 2013, 2:13 PM
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olineman aren't.
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He is a true freshman, anyone remember the pics of Jarvis
Aug 3, 2013, 2:20 PM
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Jenkins his true fresh year in camp, was a MESS. How'd that work out?
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Re: I'm sorry but Crowder looks embarassing
Aug 3, 2013, 2:22 PM
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Brandon Thomas on the other hand looks beastly
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Re: I'm sorry but Crowder looks embarassing
Aug 3, 2013, 2:30 PM
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wasn't he hurt for awhile this spring and summer?
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Re: I'm sorry but Crowder looks embarassing
Aug 3, 2013, 4:19 PM
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no but he did hurt the buffet at ryans.
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Re: How did Maverick Morris do?
Aug 4, 2013, 5:12 AM
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I don't think he;s even 18 years old yet.
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Hope you weren't injured jumping to that conclusion
Aug 3, 2013, 5:04 PM
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geeze. OL redshirt. give the kid a chance.
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Re: Hope you weren't injured jumping to that conclusion
Aug 3, 2013, 7:23 PM
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He just still has some baby fat. Three years and he will be nasty.
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Re: I'm sorry but Crowder looks embarassing
Aug 4, 2013, 3:41 PM
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I sure hope the OP is wrong about Crowder, as I am excited to have him in ORANGE. I want to call him "The Smiling Assassin" because when he smiles, it looks like he's gonna pancake your ### and there's nothing you can do about it. For me, I've waited a long time to start seeing OLinemen like Crowder. Maybe Boyd might like him up there on the line sometimes too - so before we yell RS, maybe we had better wait a few more days. 
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True Freshman Olineman, get a grip on reality***
Aug 4, 2013, 3:46 PM
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One of the most ignorant posts on tnet in 2013***
Aug 4, 2013, 3:47 PM
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