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Heisman Winner [119741]
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Ive been wrong to blame the Riley for our offensive woes
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Nov 27, 2023, 4:36 PM
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I've now come to the shaky realization that the Klubnik isn't who we thought he was.
Yes, he can look really good at times, but so did DJU.
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Isnt Riley the QB coach?***
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Nov 27, 2023, 4:38 PM
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So was Streeter. When two coaches can't help you, it's you.***
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Nov 27, 2023, 4:38 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97739]
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We have certainly missed either Jeff Scott or Tony Elliot
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Nov 27, 2023, 4:46 PM
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Or both. They had a system that worked. And some great QB's. I mean QB's that came out of HS big-game ready. And we weren't afraid to throw them to the wolves. Deshawn's first game was against a tough UGA team, as a true freshman, and he never backed off.
Dabo also used to rotate a lot more players. It's a chicken or egg thing though. Did rotating in fresh, hungry guys make everyone better? Way I see it, if you're doing mediocre at your position, ALL positions are fair game for rotations, even QB.
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We havent been able to play other QBs
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Nov 27, 2023, 4:52 PM
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As we’ve always been in tight games.
DW4 and TL16 didn’t win Heisman cause they blew out so many teams early and weren’t padding their stats…
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Really boils down to misses in recruiting***
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:07 PM
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Agreed
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:10 PM
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the WR room and the OL room are terrible and all of that was misses on recruiting.
I'm not in favor of letting the guys who let those rooms get the way they are, remain on staff
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Nobody wants to really talk about it, but
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:11 PM
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our current RB room is as weak as it's been in quite a while as well, and I say that as the most annoying fan of Mafah on the bored.
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Ezio is legit coming in for next year
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:19 PM
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and Gideon Davidson who committed for 2025 should be a top 50 player.
I can complain about a lot, but Spiller has upped the ante on his recruiting
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Perhaps the reliance of RPOs lead to less aggressive OL play
Nov 27, 2023, 5:51 PM
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And WR hesitancy.
Call a play and execute it _ occasional audibles are fine but overthinking at the L OS leads to
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Pretty much. Look at how much better Defense is with freshmen studs
Nov 27, 2023, 7:30 PM
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versus a similar situation last year. It's not coaching, it's recruiting.
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We don't have a DW/TL/ETN/Tee/Mike Williams/Sammy Watkins/Justyn Ross
Nov 27, 2023, 9:18 PM
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CJ/Amari Rogers, etc. on offense. NFL-type players that can take over and bust a game wide open. Our best guys on offense are good, but a notch below, and I think that's the difference. We didn't know when we signed all of those guys that they'd all work out so well, but we knocked it out of the park with all of them; they all had that "something extra" that didn't take long to be obvious. I don't know if it's so much misses or bad evaluations, as it's that for one reason or another, luck or whatever, most of our best recruits over the last few years just haven't had that superstar factor.
Personally, I don't think that explains all of the failures we have witnessed the last couple of years, but I think that's most of it. We just haven't had that elite talent.
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gotta blame somebody***
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:24 PM
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Well a good OC develops the talent he has & designs a playbook
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:35 PM
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To make them successful. I think the personnel packages and playbook are very limited.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Yes. In 11 months time. With no staffing changes and no input on who's
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:37 PM
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currently on the roster playing for him. And apparently a HC who overrules a ton of his play calls.
Clearly a bust of a hire.
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If he overruled pass calls on Sat nite
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:45 PM
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I am glad he did.
Cade was not playing well and our receivers were playing worse.
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Some think it was Rileys offensive playbook and calls .
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:22 PM
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Until after NCSU. More traditional run plays were emphasized after that game. Fewer RPO and two TE packages allowed more aggressive o-line play.
WR injuries have also greatly hampered the passing game and may have limited CKs development. QB / WR chemistry is significant for a young QB.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Wait.the RPOs that we watched DJ
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Nov 27, 2023, 7:57 PM
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Poop the bed on for two years and Cade to start this season, and that TL generally handled well for a couple additional seasons. …..you (sorry, “some”) think Riley brought that with him? lol. The man should be lauded for being the one to finally make Dabo go away from it. JFC. think
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Agree with this 100%***
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Nov 27, 2023, 8:20 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93675]
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Cade didn't drop a handful of passes in every game...
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Nov 28, 2023, 6:26 AM
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he didn't miss field goals and he wasn't responsible for all of the fumbles.
Cade shows promise. Over this season about 20% of his passes to receivers crossing the field have been caught. Half there were dropped, one or two was thrown high, a handful behind causing the receiver to have to stop and a few too low to be caught.
Less of the problem is on Cade than on the receivers. However, Cade is getting more accurate, the receivers not so much.
DJ never showed any improvement in this area. If you read Hood's latest article you'll see Dabo was refusing to allow passes partly because the defense decided our WRs weren't getting behind them. That was a Brent Venables prevent which worked. Had the crossing receiver caught a few of those the deep ball would have opened up a bit. It just wasn't there.
Cade still didn't see the field. If that's something negative about him that leaves him and DJ equal in deficiencies. Otherwise Cade is head and shoulders ahead of DJ already and Cade didn't get half the playing time last season that DJ did in TL's last year.
I continue to feel that had Dabo sat DJ around the 4th or 5th game last year and let Cade learn rather than handing the ball off with less than two minutes on the clock we would have gotten over the hump last season. We probably wouldn't have made the playoff but most of the pain of not being able to replace TL would be gone.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Cade's problem is what can't be taught.
Nov 28, 2023, 7:52 AM
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General football IQ. He's a hellluva athlete with a nice arm and pretty quick feet, good enough that they got the job done in High School.
But he's missing the ability to go through progressions, recognize mismatches, identify blitzes, read defenses, step up in the pocket when available and feel pressure. Furthermore, he doubles down on that progression shortcoming by honing in laser-like time after time and throwing to a double-covered WR while another WR is often running free, and the reason that WR is double covered is that he's been staring them down from the snap.
I figured a lot of this would come with exposure to the faster college game this season, but honestly I haven't seen much difference from game 1 to game 12.
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he doesn't have elite QB swag
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Nov 28, 2023, 10:09 AM
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he panics, he's too twitchy, thinks too much, doesn't just sling it...kinda flails it
good QBs at any level have swag, until they hit their ceiling on ability. I don't see it from him, despite having the tangibles (speed, arm strength, decent size)
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That may be on us for thinking he would come in and be as good as
Nov 28, 2023, 7:44 AM
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Watson and Lawrence. He is indeed far more of a project. With some of the talent around him it is like trying to do the project with tools from the mid 1800s rather than modern power tools.
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Cade is late with a LOT of his throws
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Nov 28, 2023, 8:23 AM
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Even if the WR gets open, by the time the ball gets there, he's not.
And they are rarely open. We may as well run the wishboner.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Yup and hes a big reason these maddening WR screens are even
Nov 28, 2023, 8:29 AM
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Less effective than they could be.
Watch TL throw one. He usually gave a glance away from the WR to freeze the D before turning and throwing an absolute laser to the WR. Both resulted often in the WR having enough room to operate before the DB/Safety got there.
CK immediately turns to the target, the DB starts breaking to the WR immediately, and then Cade floats a pass in there that the WR often has to adjust to. It’s why they’re usually getting demolished the minute they catch the ball.
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I'm a little terrified as we aren't bringing in a QB next year
Nov 28, 2023, 8:40 AM
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and Vizzina must be really behind to not even them considering taking his RS off
I get the OL issues, the WR not being good - but Klubnik has really bad habits in the pocket that they can't seem to break and is so turnover prone that I don't think the light is ever coming on even with upgrades in WR and OL
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I'm not buying it.
Nov 28, 2023, 9:57 AM
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DJU didn't develop into the 5* all world QB everybody expected, and now CK is mistake-prone and underperforming to nearly identical stats. IMO, we didn't miss on two in a row. We're just not developing them.
On the bright side, we're now using TE's in the offense and taking chances downfield. For as flaccid as this offense has looked at times, I think offensive playcalling has greatly improved. Players just need to start making plays.
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Its what Trent Dilfer got burned at the stake (by Clemson fans) for saying
Nov 28, 2023, 1:19 PM
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A couple years ago. TL stayed pretty static in his abilities and actually took some steps back his last year (it was a high bar so steps back are relative), DJ simply regressed from the moment he got here, and now we have Cade looking like a deer in headlights after starting 13 games.
On top of that, no one ever seems to notice the fact that we’ve gone almost a decade with (if our coaches are to be believed) no viable backup QB to insert into games when our current one finds himself pooping the bed. The job of the coaches isn’t just to have a starting QB ready to go, but his backup too. And yet whether it’s Johnson, Helms, Pumapants, whoever, we’re told they aren’t able and ready to go in when the starter is just stinking it up out there.
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Being a Clemson fan, I cringe whenever we knock a QB out of the game
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Nov 28, 2023, 3:14 PM
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because that's always when some kid with one eye, a club foot, and a deformed throwing hand comes in and wins the Heisman Trophy against us. When we have to go to a backup in a critical situation, ours will almost always look like a porpoise trying to reel in a shotgun snap and then throw it with his non-dominant fin.
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Like when we would play UNC in the 90s or early aughts
Nov 28, 2023, 4:16 PM
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In basketball. Always felt like they had some scrub who averaged 3.2 ppg come in off the bench and put 35 on us.
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