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Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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NCST had a couple of really good players who were on fire tonight, and we missed some key shots late. I get it, I have been highly critical of Brownell for some time, and have called for a coaching change for years. Clemson's long record of mediocrity under Brownell is indisputable. Having said that, every missed shot and every turnover and every stupid foul and every loss is not because Brownell sucks, good grief.
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:31 PM
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All I know is that this is BB "best team" and we are 7-8 in the ACC
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True, but that does not demonstrate in any way that we lost tonight
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:33 PM
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because of Brownell.
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Re: True, but that does not demonstrate in any way that we lost tonight
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:52 PM
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He made the same coaching mistakes he has made in other games. So he’s proving he doesn’t learn from his errors which has cost us games we should have won.
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What coaching mistakes do you feel he made last night?
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:11 AM
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Please be specific.
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:34 PM
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And a 5 seed in the ncaa tourney before this game.
nothing will be acceptable to the haters until we are a top 10 team every single year.
We just won 3 games in a row at UNC, at syracuss, and vs miami, and now we lose and it's FIRE BROWNELL!!!!
You people are a special bunch.
Once again, plenty of bball left to be played.
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Will Muschamp beat UGA
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:36 PM
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We all know what happened after that.
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Right. I'm not saying Brownell = John Wooden. I'm not saying anything
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:40 PM
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one way or the other about how good or bad Brownell is. I'm just saying that tonight, we didn't lose because Brownell sucks, but people are so hung up on "Brownell sucks", they can't think clearly, or stay on topic. Instead, all they can do is regurgitate "Brownell sucks".
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Re: Right. I'm not saying Brownell = John Wooden. I'm not saying anything
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:51 PM
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14 years is a history of no success outside of 1 sweet 16 run.
That is why Brad needs to go. He is a big reason we lost tonight, how can you argue otherwise is my concern. Lack of in-game coaching 14 years later, enough
Agree to disagree, Brad failed to lead his team to victory and blow a 12 point lead in last 10 minutes
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Once again, I have argued for a coaching change for 10 years.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:59 PM
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I am not arguing otherwise. Do you understand that?
And yes, we disagree about tonight's loss being because Brownell sucks.
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Their personal vendetta against Brad is disgusting.
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Especially for a fan base that prides itself on being exceptional.
Brad loves Clemson. It’s fine if people want to go in a different direction, but bashing him on such a nasty level isn’t becoming of Clemson people.
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Re: Their personal vendetta against Brad is disgusting.
Feb 18, 2024, 9:22 AM
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Tommy Bowden loved Clemson too. Your point?
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I have no personal vendetta, and I have no problem with you
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:54 AM
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..or any other person who supports a coach they like.
I am just done with Brad Brownell. Tired of his teams blowing big leads, tired of getting excited about a team of his just to be disappointed.
This team is not bad, but if that's the best he can do in 14 years then we need to give someone else a try.
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Before this game.
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Feb 17, 2024, 11:21 PM
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Doesn’t matter til the end of the season. Maybe will be 4th maybe we won’t be in at all. But irrelevant what we were before the game
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Re: Before this game.
Feb 18, 2024, 11:54 AM
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I hate to say that the refs have been screwing us, but the refs have been screwing us!
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Feb 17, 2024, 11:57 PM
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"And a 5 seed in the ncaa tourney before this game. " - irrelevant
"nothing will be acceptable to the haters until we are a top 10 team every single year." - strawman
"We just won 3 games in a row at UNC, at syracuss, and vs miami" - irrelevant, but ironically I learned today that since 2010 only Boston College loses more when favorited. Guess what we did today?
"now we lose and it's FIRE BROWNELL!!!" - strawman
"You people are a special bunch." = violation of T.O.S.
"Once again, plenty of bball left to be played. " - that's the problem.
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Brad did not manage the clock well
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:31 PM
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Therefore losing us the game.
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He managed the clock fine. LOL.***
Feb 18, 2024, 9:17 AM
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:31 PM
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You are right but he still sucks.
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And I'm not arguing whether or not he sucks, but everybody who thinks
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:34 PM
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he sucks automatically blames this loss on him, whether it's true or not.
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I'm not saying fire Brownell but
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:37 PM
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Why not call a time out and set up a play
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CU Medallion [58424]
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Maybe they already had on the previous time out a few seconds earlier.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:46 PM
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Maybe the plan was to push it down the court if you could, or call a TO if you got pressured. Maybe the plan was to drive all the wayto the basket and draw a foul, or maybe Hunter didn't do what he was supposed to do. We almost pulled it off. We don't know, can't just assume.
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Re: Maybe they already had on the previous time out a few seconds earlier.
Feb 17, 2024, 10:52 PM
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Push it down the court, take it to the hole and draw the foul!!
Just like Duke did…
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Re: Maybe they already had on the previous time out a few seconds earlier.
Feb 17, 2024, 11:59 PM
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Duke did it off a timeout. Of course, it was our timeout so we essentially helped them, but still...
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Re: I'm not saying fire Brownell but
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The last possession was fine. We got exactly what we wanted. Could have very easily been a foul called on Middlebrooks.
Going 4+ minutes without a field goal late in the game and not being able to handle pressure and protect the ball cost us that game.
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Because he already coached his team on what to do in that situation.
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:29 AM
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Calling a timeout wouldn’t have been wrong, but if we felt good about our plan then calling a timeout there would only serve to let NC State setup their defense.
I really liked getting Chase going to the basket. I thought he got a good look, and also put himself in position to be fouled. We had guys crashing the boards for a putback, and PJ had a chance.
It stinks to lose, but I thought it was a great play call and we gave ourselves a good chance.
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Re: Because he already coached his team on what to do in that situation.
Feb 18, 2024, 9:41 AM
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Exactly the play I wanted - only thing wrong was missing the shot and ref not calling a foul
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Number 0 and Number 1 were flat out on fire...
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:31 PM
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may be the best guard tandem in the conference....
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:35 PM
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Dude, give it a rest, Brownell should’ve been fired 10 years ago
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Where did I say he shouldn't have been? Or did you mean to reply to me?***
Feb 17, 2024, 10:48 PM
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:35 PM
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I disagree, playing PJ Hall at the 3 point line on offense is taking him out of the game.
PJ is one of the best big men in college basketball and can take anybody to the basket and draw a foul. If he does this in the first half, you take Burns and Middlebrook out of the game. Neither could handle Hall down low.
This is a coaching decision.
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I agree that we are generally better with PJ in the paint, but DJ is plenty
Feb 17, 2024, 10:54 PM
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good enough to make teams pay when they give him the wide open 3.
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if everything played out like it did tonight except for the lazy ...
Feb 17, 2024, 10:37 PM
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... pass underneath our own basket that was intercepted by State and put back for 2 points near end of first half, Clemson still wins. Team still makes boneheaded mistakes.
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
Feb 17, 2024, 10:37 PM
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#### they give me strokes! Son of a gun.
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CBB pulled our best player with only 2 fouls
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:56 PM
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NC State went on a run right after. He failed to manage the time remaining, poor team management, crappy time out usage. But baller it on the other team shooting better or the refs.
Bottom line. We have had over a decade of mediocre results. Once a few years we get in the ncaa, and once we actually made a bit of a run.
If you want more of this then keep preaching for him.
Most fans want to at least look like we are trying for better. If we make a change and it doesn’t work then at least we tried vs settling for this mediocre BS!
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Show me where I have argued against any of the following points
Feb 17, 2024, 11:08 PM
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you made (quoting you):
Bottom line. We have had over a decade of mediocre results. Once a few years we get in the ncaa, and once we actually made a bit of a run.
If you want more of this then keep preaching for him.
Most fans want to at least look like we are trying for better. If we make a change and it doesn’t work then at least we tried vs settling for this mediocre BS!
Because I have been calling for a coaching change for 10 years. I like Brownell, but the results are what they are, and he can't be separated from them. His legacy here is failure to reach the level of success we strive for. So you and many others are completely misunderstanding and misconstuing my point, which is TONIGHT, we didn't lose this particular game because Brownell sucks. We got beat by a very similarly talented team who had a couple of players on fire tonight. It happens to EVERY team. Suck it up and move on.
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It was certainly a team effort,
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Feb 17, 2024, 11:02 PM
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but he had a timeout to use either on the bs jump ball call or during Chase’s bulls hit possession. That’s just poor coaching and no way around it
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Feb 17, 2024, 11:13 PM
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True. But the effect on fans of losing games like this year after year is cumulative.
So no Brownell didn’t lose this game for Clemson, but he didn’t win it either.
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If people want Brownell fired right now no matter what happens the rest of the
Feb 17, 2024, 11:38 PM
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season, then I understand why they blame every missed shot and every turnover and every loss squarely on him - it gives them another chance to scream "FIRE BROWNELL!". If they are willing for Clemson to lose games and play terribly so it gets Brownell fired, I understand why they would.
Trust me, as I've said, I have called for a coaching change for probably 10 years, so I get the frustration and the cumulative effect. But right now, we have a real chance to make the tourney and make a run, and that means more to me than getting Brownell fired. IF we do, and if I've been wrong and we really are starting to build something with Clemson basketball, we should all be happy. If not, THEN we can scream for Brownell's head, but until then, not every time we lose a game by one-point.
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Re: If people want Brownell fired right now no matter what happens the rest of the
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Feb 17, 2024, 11:47 PM
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I agree with everything you just wrote. He is obviously not getting fired after this game. He may not get fired after this season, depending on how it goes. I certainly don’t expect it at this point. However that doesn’t change the frustration and the venting.
This is a talented team. They could/should make some noise post season. I’m hoping for the best, but I have little confidence in Brownell to get it done. I could certainly be wrong. It is what it is.
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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Lmmfao.... he didn't call a time out AGAIN to get a decent play lined up ....oh he gave us like a 10% chance of winning by not gathering the troops.
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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your statement "NCST had a couple of really good players who were on fire tonight, and we missed some key shots late" has become a regular accurance this year! How many times has this happened this year?
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Not to mention blowing big leads.
Feb 18, 2024, 9:51 AM
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This has become a pattern with his coaching style.
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Re: Brownell did not lose this game for Clemson.
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I agree with you. Critique when it is warranted but at the end of the day the players needed to make a few more plays. How good (record wise) would this team have been if we could have found a way to win these close games. Hate to lose a basketball or a baseball series at home though. Let’s just win out!
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from what I heard Larry Shyatt was at the game.
Feb 18, 2024, 9:32 AM
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How are we supposed to win when we’re jinxed like that?
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I think people, like me, are just tired of his teams.
Feb 18, 2024, 9:50 AM
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I want him gone, many want him gone.
Last night's game might not have been his fault but 14 years of sucking sure is.
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