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If ESPN's contractually driven to up the ACC's per annum...
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Sep 2, 2023, 8:19 AM
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as a result of the new additions, then the value or cost of both the Exit Fee and GOR will increase as well.
If so, then it became more expensive to leave the ACC?
A walk down memory lane...
June 18, 2016 per ESPN
The ACC also extended its conference rights deal nine years through 2035-36.
The conference's grant of rights makes it financially untenable for a school to leave, guaranteeing in the 20 years of the deal that a school's media rights, including revenue, for all home games would remain with the ACC regardless of the school's affiliation.
"The ACC is a great conference, and this increases the national exposure, brings in additional revenue and offers greater opportunity for student-athletes," Clemson president Jim Clements said. "For us and the Florida States and others, it stabilizes the conference long term."
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A bunch to unpack here..
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Sep 2, 2023, 8:43 AM
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First, ESPN is not paying much more for these adds because they don’t add enough value in TV draw. Basically, the added revenue just covers our costs of having the non-revenue sports team travel across the country. Very little real net revenue per team comes from this. So the narrative that more revenue makes it harder to leave the ACC is false.
Second, the reason the ACC wanted to add the 2 group of 5 teams is to try and keep,the 15 team minimum when FSU and Clemson do leave because if they fall under that, ESPN can negotiate the current per team payout amount down. This now takes pressure off the ACC forvClwmson and FSU leaving because they get paid the same either way. You have to wonder if that is some of the rationale for folks like Miami to go along right now. Let’s say Clemson and FSU go first and the GOR exit terms are reasonable now because of this, it set precedent for others in the future. Just a curious angle.
Third, the fact that ND has pushed things like the GOR extension, them being added to the conf for everything but football but getting a full vote on football related matters (which this is) and them now pushing to add CalFord while FSU and Clemson have had to have their arms twisted to go along with each of these (thankfully they finally said no) tells me their is a big ND vs FSU and Clemson rift (maybe others too). This only hastens the motivation to get out ASAP!
Fourth, SMU just set a precedence to buy their way “into” the conference. Clemson amd FSU can now use that in their case with the ACC to say if a team can buy their way “IN”, then you must allow us to buy our way “OUT”.
In the end, this is either neutral to getting out or provides us some benefits.
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According to you ESPN will pay more, then the answer...
Sep 2, 2023, 8:50 AM
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is yes, it became more expensive to leave the ACC because the value of both the exit fee & GOR, based on the annual pay-out, will be more.
No one said it would be "harder" to leave.
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I suspect Miami and the other schools with half baked...
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Sep 2, 2023, 9:16 AM
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football programs lacked drawing any attention of the two major predatory conferences and are probably in survival mode. Further, it might be the heads of these schools know much more about Clemson's and FSU's dealings with the B1G and SEC.
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Oh, welcome back deadsolidperfect®. Forgive my trolling you during your time in the grave.
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Why can't anyone just answer a simple question?
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Sep 2, 2023, 9:33 AM
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And no, you didn't troll me by telling people I called you stupid.
You went on and on one evening hoping to wax intellectually about the current state of the ACC bringing on additional schools, the GOR and total monetary cost to leave the conference.
You were wrong on all fronts concerning your assumptions.
No, it was not a 100% vote required to bring on new members. One member can't black-ball by a no vote.
No, there is no exclusion clause.
No, the cost to exit the ACC is not $100mil. GOR and the Exit Fee are two entirely different things.
And whatever else you rambled on about...
Your excuse for all your misrepresentations was you don't do the news. If so, then why try?
I spoon fed you, my friend and was happy to play the game with you that one time...
... because it was stupid.
Nothing personal.
If I called you stupid after that nonsensical parade you earned it. I still <3 you and I'm afraid I always will. Shame on me...
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Re: Why can't anyone just answer a simple question?
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Sep 2, 2023, 11:44 AM
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🤣🤣🤣 and welcome back !!!
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Oculus Spirit [94287]
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Not to perpetuate an issue with a friend but...
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Sep 2, 2023, 2:01 PM
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the accurate way to describe my errors was 'ignorance.' Ignorance is excusable for we are all ignorant to some subjects.
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If you'd stopped when I 1st spoon fed you, I might agree...
Sep 2, 2023, 2:12 PM
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but to further the conversation as you did knowing you were ignorant because you don't news is sloth.
I don't suffer fools, save my friends as I did on this occasion.
I even went as far as to beg you please, stop.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/more-rumors%E2%80%A6-33088150
That's what friends do.
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Re: A bunch to unpack here..
Sep 2, 2023, 11:05 AM
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Fifth, none of this even matters because it is what it is...
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Re: If ESPN's contractually driven to up the ACC's per annum...
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Sep 2, 2023, 8:45 AM
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I saw a report that FSU thought it would cost 400-500 million dollars to leave. The $120 million exit fee and repurchasing the remaining 13 years of media rights. That is a ton of money.
Clemson has the product on the field to be valuable to a conference. The problem is that they don’t own that value (media rights).
If the SEC and BIG 10 do a partnership leaving out the rest of college football, then it is over for everyone else. The only football programs that anyone would say matter that would be left out is ND and Clemson.
Look at what the ACC and Big 12 have now post Big 10 and SEC expansion. Not much. Why would those the SEC and Big 10 want to share that big pile of money with anyone else. There is no reason to do so.
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Yes, that was the "then" estimated value or cost before...
Sep 2, 2023, 8:55 AM
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the new additions.
3 years revenue is the ~formula exit fee and GOR is per annum X remaining years until 2036.
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Re: If ESPN's contractually driven to up the ACC's per annum...
Sep 2, 2023, 10:52 AM
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That pie in the sky scheme of the SEC and BIG leaving everyone else out falls flat when you get beyond 4-5 schools in the SEC and 3 now 4 in the BIG. Schools like Vandy, Kentucky, Coot, Missouri, Ole Miss, Arky, Miss State, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Michigan State, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers are all free loaders with no business even being considered for playoff spots. This is why the Big 2 will never ever take over college football completely, no matter how much money they sock away.
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Re: If ESPN's contractually driven to up the ACC's per annum...
Sep 2, 2023, 12:04 PM
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Befuddling thing for me too. How do we organically get to the super conference promised land when the SEC and B1G have the same issue as the ACC and the United States??
—More voting boat riders than boat rowers.
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HELP ME...
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I've seen the dead walking.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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I'm not sure we're talking after you fornicated the truth...
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and tagged me doing so.
Good morning, I still <3 you, but maybe more tomorrow than today.
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Oculus Spirit [94287]
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It must have been horrible lying in the grave and having...
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Sep 2, 2023, 9:21 AM
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some interweb troll pizzing on your corpse.
I perpetrated a great evil upon you, there is no excuse and I offer none. I released the demon within upon one to whom I greatly respect. I apologize and if you insist I shall say I'm sorry but only if you insist.
I might need an exorcism.
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No, if it was horrible tmale works fine when you're banned.***
Sep 2, 2023, 9:35 AM
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YOU'VE RETURNED!!!! (AGAIN!!!!)***
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Yep, and NC hope replaces DSP in the grave.***
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Re: If ESPN's contractually driven to up the ACC's per annum...
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Re: If ESPN's contractually driven to up the ACC's per annum...
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For the vast majority of the ACC, the current ESPN payout is great. They get to be irrelevant and still collect a full share based on the success of the top 2-3 programs. This addition will allow them to continue collecting a payout way above what they actually deserve based on the success of others.
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The value per school has not been increased
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by the additions.
They found “added money” by cutting out SMU and shorting Calford.
If Clemson exits, it is only Clemson’s individual share that we pay, and again, that hasn’t increased - at least yet.
So, no change in cost to buy out our GOR. Let’s go!!!!!
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Thanks for answering the question; hufferbilly says yes...
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Sep 2, 2023, 11:36 AM
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and now we have your no.
Still researching, but SI and some others say the 3 will increase the ACC earnings via ESPN, so uncertainty seems to be winning the day so far.
All three schools eventually won over enough ACC members by volunteering to enter the league at drastically reduced revenue shares. That, combined with the increased earnings they would bring in via the league’s media-rights agreement with ESPN, were the final factors in tilting the votes in their favor.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/09/01/stanford-cal-smu-acc-accepted-vote-conference-realignment-expansion
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Standout [340]
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it doesn't say "increased earnings per school" which is
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Sep 2, 2023, 2:21 PM
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the kicker for the GOR.
That was the problem for the Pac 12 as a whole, and the Big XII for that matter. None of the schools after the top layer of cream individually brought revenues beyond the existing conference averages. And that's what the B1G and SEC were looking for -
revenues that increased the average per school.
What is being said is that the added schools will obviously add revenue in total - just not on a per school average.
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It does not say the average won't increase, that seems...
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Sep 2, 2023, 2:38 PM
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assumptive, but it does say ESPN's overall payout will, which all totaled is the why I said uncertainty continues ruling the day.
If/when I find something more definitive, I can put it to bed; I'd much rather have that instead of the guessing, rumor game that has prevailed here in the last month and for many, many years.
Thanks again for your answer.
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Not saying you aren't right, just extrapolating what we
Sep 2, 2023, 3:03 PM
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heard during the last round of consolidation.
I was stunned on a couple of instances that people suggested that neither FSU nor Clemson would increase the average Value per school of the B1G and the SEC. That seemed nonsensical to me, as clearly we're capable of delivering higher than the average school in both those conferences (Minnesota? Mississippi?). But that comment was indeed put out there, by SEC-conference admin types no less. I have to believe it was likely was nothing but posturing.
So when the Big XII took the 'Zona schools, there was much ado about them not increasing the average Value in the Big XII even as the average value there is less than in the ACC. The Pac 12 schools simply don't generate the Value that other regions in the US do. It's a X-Games thing apparently. But in the end, the Big XII just wanted the Four Corners' properties being that none were Group of 5 schools.
So that's where I'm getting the idea that Calford doesn't bump the Average Value of the ACC. The Math just doesn't seem to work at all.
The point I know is right: the GOR works off the average Value of the conference, not Total Revenue or even Specific Revenue per school. If it were the latter, it would cost more than $500 million for Clemson to leave the ACC, while BC could go for a cup of coffee at worst.
Anyway, have a good one, and enjoy the Football.
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I know GOR works off average, the reason for the question...
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Sep 2, 2023, 3:23 PM
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and wondering if the increase media pay-out would also make it more expensive[raise per team] to leave the ACC. I appreciate people's answers, but none yet including my references have offered anything final.
After all the recent months and many, many years of conjecture, I'm looking for factual and ready to put some things to rest.
If there's a source out there with something definitive, I'll find it, or maybe someone else will happen upon it.
Have a good, safe weekend.
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