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I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:19 AM
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Please state specifically how his in game coaching has lost us games this year. I keep hearing of all these awful in game decisions that he makes, but nobody adds any specifics.
One of the most hilarious complaints I heard was after last game, when our fans were outraged that the last play of the game was drawn up to shoot a 3 for our best 3point shooter percentage wise.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:24 AM
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A coaches job is to put his team in a position to win every game. Many are upset that coach BB misses to many of those big time shots,
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 1:40 PM
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And a good coach's job is to put their team in a position to win without having to rely on a last-second shot or late friendly call from a ref. A good coach helps his team utilize the prior 39 minutes so they don't have to rely on a 50/50 prayer at the buzzer, and not feel obligated to single out a player who didn't perform well on one single final play that may have been the deciding factor while ignoring those prior 39 minutes and countless plays leading up to it.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 2:17 PM
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Yep Clemson is the only team that loses in the final seconds of college basketball. All the really good coaches blow out EVERY team they play.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 2:52 PM
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LOL Extreme much? Maybe BDS is a thing.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Not to mention, it was executed perfectly. Collins just missed the host.
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He has achieved and maintained mediocrity.
Feb 10, 2022, 11:29 AM
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He has a knack for losing close games. It doesn’t matter if a great team or terrible team. He does not discriminate.
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He inherited mediocrity. Don't give him credit for that.
Feb 10, 2022, 11:39 AM
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I miss Rick Barnes. He was the type of coach we need here.
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"You are what your record says you are" - Bill Parcells***
Feb 10, 2022, 11:32 AM
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He's won more games than any other BB coach here***
Feb 10, 2022, 2:38 PM
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He's stacked up wins due to longevity.
Feb 10, 2022, 2:41 PM
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He also has the 2nd most losses. This is why "winningest" is more accurately defined by winning percentage.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:37 AM
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Did you miss 6 players on the court?
Did you miss all the games with 10 minute scoring droughts this season?
and last season?
and every season before that?
Did you miss all the players transferring out and the inability to build ANYTHING so we are starting over every year?
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:55 AM
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Every team goes through scoring droughts. You don't watch enough basketball if you don't see it.
So, is it Dabo's fault if there are 10 or 12 men on the field? It's happened (and will continue to happen).
Transfers? Take a look around, man.
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Dabo has a bit of a better résumé don’t you think?***
Feb 10, 2022, 12:15 PM
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 12:35 PM
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If 12 men on the field gave the other team points and advantageous field position, that would be a more apt comparison. Football also has a running clock for substitutions, while we literally did it with a stopped clock breaking a huddle in basketball
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:58 AM
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Yes, that was an error on brad's part. He owned it. Coaches make mistakes. That certainly was one. Was that the reason we lost the game? Do you know what the score was and the time left when that error occurred?
Please name specifically the games where we have had "10 minute scoring droughts"
Which players have transferred that have made a significant impact on a power 5 school? Only one so far that looks to be good is o-max, but he wouldn't have started at Clemson over Tyson this year. Do you think Brad has used the transfer portal to his benefit? Transfers are a part of the game. Every team has them. It's about how you use the portal. There is no doubt, Brad has used it to his benefit. Do you not agree?
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 12:24 PM
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The last Georgia Tech game. 24-2 run. I guess the 2 points scored makes it technically not a drought.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 1:05 PM
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The last Georgia Tech game. 24-2 run. I guess the 2 points scored makes it technically not a drought.
Yes, the poster asked me if I, "missed all the games with 10 minute scoring droughts this season? Or all the seasons prior"
Doubt that run was a 10 minute scoring drought. I still haven't seen any proof of this claim. If I had to guess, it doesn't happen all that often.
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I get what you’re saying.
Feb 10, 2022, 11:38 AM
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No coach should ever be fired no matter what their record is over the last decade. If we could just simply get the players to do what Brownell told them to do we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.??
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Why does this even matter?
Feb 10, 2022, 11:42 AM
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His win/loss record is garbage. Doens't even matter why after a decade +.
BROWNELL OUT.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:45 AM
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Our AD doesn’t care about on court performance so why should we? Brownell isn’t going anywhere so what’s the point going game by game explaining how having 6 guys on the court, or subbing out our best defensive player for the last play, or not fouling when down with a minute left, or leaving Honor in to play defense late when we know he can’t guard anyone over 6 feet tall? Even if we were to give you 5-6 examples you’d just make some excuse or say “that’s only 5-6 games”, so who cares? At this point everyone has made up their mind and no one is changing it. Brownell could play walk ons the entire game tonight and lose by 50 and you’d say it wasn’t his fault. And he could coach an absolute gem and to the rest of us it wouldn’t make up for years and years and years of failure.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Many of the same people were against the firing of Tommy Bowden in football. You don't always hit a home run with a new coach, but if you don't try you keep getting the same thing year after year. Sometimes you get that walk-off homer.
Keep CBB or fire him... either way I just want our basketball games to be enjoyable to watch again. I am tired of yelling at a TV.
While they are at it... turn the camera angle so we can see the team benches during play. The current angle is just boring, and put the students behind the team's benches. It helps bring excitement to the viewing audience.
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Hey OP, I too would like to hear from the people
Feb 10, 2022, 11:55 AM
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with brownell deragement syndrome.
Please state specifically how his in game coaching has won us games this year. I keep hearing of all these great in game decisions that he makes, but nobody adds any specifics.
One of the most hilarious complaints I heard was after last game, when our fans were outraged that the last play of the game was drawn up to shoot a 3 for our best 3point shooter percentage wise but we lost anyways. AGAIN.
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Re: Hey OP, I too would like to hear from the people
Feb 10, 2022, 12:18 PM
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I think if we continue to flop this year, and we think we can keep pj hall from transferring, brownell should be fired after this season.
Brownell wins despite having lesser talent than most teams in the league. It's just a fact. He needs to recruit better, and if he gets fired, recruiting is the reason why.
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I don't disagree. The program needs some kind of schtick
Feb 10, 2022, 12:29 PM
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like a coach with a big personality, coach with solid NBA ties, a young + up and coming coach, a coach known for developing big men (aka Cliff Ellis), or a coach with an OP like system that is somewhat gimmicky.
Brad is plain. His teams are plain. And while there can be beauty in simplicity, it also can be very ugly if results are poor.
I'm convinced we CAN have a competitive program, and we CAN recruit good players to CU. Not saying we'll ever be Kansas or whoever but competitive enough with good enough players to get to the NCAAs every 2-3 years and put dudes in the league with similar cadence.
It just ain't happening with Brad and it ain't gonna.
He's probably a good guy. He's probably a good coach. He simply isn't the guy for CU.
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Re: Hey OP, I too would like to hear from the people
Feb 10, 2022, 2:32 PM
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I don't come on tigernet after every sim to claim that it was brownell's coaching that caused us to win.
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Huh??
Feb 10, 2022, 11:58 AM
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Hey mountaineers - You may want to check on the forest from time to time rather than getting stuck on looking at that tree.
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Re: Huh??
Feb 10, 2022, 12:25 PM
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Good advice JS may need to try it. As mentioned in another post nothing on why Brownell should keep his job.
The forest is 12 average years.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Man the only thing missing in this thread is for Judge to be logged in as Clemson Mountaineers, TinCan1, and Yahoo Falls all at the same time.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 12:26 PM
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Starting to think JK is here.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 12:37 PM
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Fans who know nothing moan and groan and a coach coaches.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 1:12 PM
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I coached BB at High School for 11 years. I'm not a professional coach. But I certainly understand basics to coaching and game planning. There have been many instances where we differed. I have the objective right to see it differently. if I was so wrong in my assessment, Brad would have proven me wrong. He has not. I truly wish he had. I'd love to be ranked #1 and know Brad knows more than me.
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Derangement syndrome is the wrong terminology
Feb 10, 2022, 12:56 PM
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exhaustion is more appropriate. It's been 12 years. Some really good moments, but basically, there is a pattern of the same type results, over and over. Most Clemson fans want a program that is elevated from where it's basically been its entire existence, some really good moments, but no real elevation to a program that is a consistent tournament team. After 12 years it should be evident Brad is not getting us to that point.
Who that person is I don't know, but I'm confident it isn't Brad, so you move on. You cannot worry about who may leave, we don't have the talent around PJ now to really elevate past what may be a really good moment. We've had those, but never an extended run. It can happen. Virginia was nothing before Terry Holland. Tech was nothing before Bobby Cremins. You look at where a Nate Oates has an Alabama, Drew has Baylor, there are many examples past and present of the right coach elevating a long dormant or historically mediocre program to an extended level of excellence.
We need to take the same attitude Dabo did with football, to paraphrase, it seems impossible, until it isn't.
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Re: Derangement syndrome is the wrong terminology
Feb 10, 2022, 1:08 PM
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Finally someone that gets it! Kudos to you sir. Always great post as usual!
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 1:09 PM
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When is your baby due? Have you and Brad had a party yet?
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 1:11 PM
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Brad's winning % in games in 4 points games or less percentage wise is really bad like %30 or something that low since he has been at Clemson...
He has done three of the most emberasing things that a head coach can be involved with.
6th men on the court for technical which you never hardly see. It's not like 12 men on the field because how the game is substituted differently. Go back and watch when 6 men on the court technicals happen in college baaketball. You would have to go really far back.
He has called a time out when they had no timeouts left and received a technical in a loss to freaking Gardner-Webb.
He had the wrong substitution late in a key moment of a game in last second loss to Syracuse.
Oh, there is more but these blunders take the cake...
Oh also, Judge is that you?
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 2:57 PM
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Nope, not judge no matter how much you want me to be. Why are you so obsessed with him anyways.
By my count, Brad brownell is 43% in 4 point games since he's been here. This includes overtime games. His first 3 years here he was 9-20. From 2013-last season, brownell is 34-34 in 4 point games
I also can think of a few things that are more embarrassing than what you mentioned.
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If you're happy with 12-11 (4-8)...
Feb 10, 2022, 1:17 PM
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...then I got nothing for you.
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Re: If you're happy with 12-11 (4-8)...
Feb 10, 2022, 1:20 PM
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How in the world can you possibly get 6 on the floor when you have to check in at the scorers table. Never seen it. Unreal!
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Re: If you're happy with 12-11 (4-8)...
Feb 10, 2022, 2:59 PM
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Nobody is happy after going 12-11. If we continue to flop this season, brownell should go.
I can recognize that we need a coaching change while also realizing that every negative thing that happens in game is not brownell's fault
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12-12 (4-9) now...
Feb 10, 2022, 11:08 PM
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...kinda feels like a flop. Maybe give Brad another year cause it's not his fault...again?
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 1:54 PM
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To the OP, I am not a Brownell hater. In fact, I don't think he should be let go this year because I don't want to run the risk of losing PJ and perhaps others, and also what appears to be a reasonably good recruiting class. That said, we are what we are with Brad - 17 - 20 wins a year. And since 5 - 10 of those should be near automatic, that sort of makes him a .500 coach in toss up or underdog games.
And to be fair, I don't think people sit around and keep records of 11 - 12 years of failures by Brad so they can respond specifically to your question. But they do know when they see the same things over and over. I went to the game the other night and turned to my friend at the end and said I was just glad they actually ran a real play that had a chance. Why did I say that? Because for years I have seen end of half and end of game chances frittered away in complete confusion, looking like his last instruction was "somebody try to score". I can't tell you how many times I have seen his teams unable to even take the ball in successfully in tight situations toward the end of a half or game. I don't remember any 10 minute droughts, but I religiously watch for 5 minute droughts because they are so common with his teams,, and usually see one if not 2 a game. Against UNC we went from the 9 minute mark of the 1st half to about the 18 minute mark of the 2nd and scored 6 points , I think, 3 or 4 of which were free throws, and went from around 10 up to 5 down. That was after a several minute drought earlier in the 1st half. And it happens virtually every game. No, he doesn't shoot the ball, but his job is to prevent that from happening. Just like not losing a 23 point lead to BC. Remember, his selling point has always been he is an X's and O's coach. He doesn't recruit well, although I will say this team has good talent. Of course that means to me the record should be much better than it is, particularly in a down ACC. Reasonably, this team should have 5 more wins than it does, including St. Bonnie, WV., BC, GT and Rutgers. When it comes to the end of the game, when we have a chance to win, I don't believe, and I don't believe anyone else believes, we will pull it out. There is just no confidence in him. 6 players on the floor, calling too many timeouts. Those go without saying. You can't tell folks to name specifics and then just say, "well everyone makes mistakes and he owned it".
But like I said, folks don't write it down to regurgitate it later. You just know it when you see it and you come to expect more of the same from Brad's teams.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 2:57 PM
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Nail on the head. BAM son! Well said.
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Re: I would like to hear from the people with brownell derangement syndrome....
Feb 10, 2022, 3:17 PM
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Yep at the end of the day the coach falls on the sword. Fair or not fair he has had more than ample time to do something, anything that remotely gives a fan some hope that this thing is turning around. You know the ole saying about keeping doing what you are doing and expecting different results. That is where we are at and if the admin is happy with average then it is what it is.
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Brownlee can’t recruit or develop
Feb 10, 2022, 11:13 PM
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We have holes in our roster every year. We are never even close to the skills needed to field a complete team.
There’s only 5 friggin spots on the court. (Except that one time we tried to sneak in a 6th)
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He's been here 12 years. Please tell me what he's done.
Feb 10, 2022, 11:49 PM
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We are 12-12 in year 12. You don't have any higher expectations than that??? We can't ask for a winner? With our fluffy OOC schedule, a winning season should be an automatic.
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