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Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 8:12 AM
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Musta been a slow day for Wokester Wentzel to go with Lane Kiffin whining about Ole Miss fans breezing in late and leaving early.
Or Saban scolding a bunch of broke/debt-ridden students for not stickimg around long enough to support his well-paid professionals.
These self-important millionaires get rich on the backs of the fans then complain the fans arent worthy of the team.
Stuff like: "Lots of people wanted DJ to fail." Whatever dude. Get over your $115M self.
We dont really care the way we care about real life stuff. It's just that college football gives us something to talk about between meetings and deadlines.
As a fan I can say: Just win, baby.
But win or lose, it's mostly about the party.
https://sports.yahoo.com/lane-kiffins-fan-gripes-bring-up-fair-point-is-college-football-about-the-game-or-the-party-180645880.html
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Kiffin is The Biggest Betamale on The Planet
Sep 30, 2022, 8:14 AM
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Guy is a quitter, whiner and all-around excuse for a man.
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I think he's grown up since his younger days....
Sep 30, 2022, 10:48 AM
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he was given more than he could handle from a young age and got humbled. You can see a big difference in him now.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 8:29 AM
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You don’t sound like the kind of fan we need in attendance tomorrow night.
And as far as Dabo’s comment about people wanting DJ to fail, that was a shot mainly at the media. And it must’ve worked because David Hale did a complete 180 this week.
So watch your sass about our coach or #### off!
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 8:30 AM
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The edited word rhymes with miss
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 8:45 AM
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Bliss?
Here's the thing: Fanboydom is a symptom of the same virulent over-identification with a game that inflates these coaches sense of self-importance in the first place.
We've paid them so much money, elevated them and their product for so long, they think they and their product are indispensable to society.
Meanwhile, in Florida ...
It's the sort of misplaced fealty that leads one faceless fan whose attendance at tomorrow's game has about as much bearing on the outcome as a puff of flatulence has on a hurricane telling another faceless fan whose attendance has the same bearing on the outcome to "not show up" and cut back on the "sass."
I say again to all the whiny Head Coaches whose live in a world where failing STILL means a massive payout:
Just win, baby. And while you're at it, shaddup and be thankful the unwashed masses still choose to throw their money at your product.
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They are just CEOS
Sep 30, 2022, 8:50 AM
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get paid way to much for a game that matters way to little... and paid whether they succeed or not
great work... if you can get it
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I think I understand your thesis - put things in proper perspective and live in reality.
Sep 30, 2022, 8:58 AM
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I totally agree. 100%.
Your individual choice (or mine) to consume CFB as an entertainment medium isn’t more significant than a fart in the wind, BUT that entertainment medium has succeeded in competing for the attention and resources of MILLIONS of individuals, and is thus a major industry within the economy. Its forms now follow its functions, with highly competitive, highly compensated management structures and vast access to the eyeballs and wallets of consumers via media.
It’s never gonna look like a rinky-dink mom-n-pop operation. Individuals will decide how valuable their consumerism of the CFB product is, and, quite simply, the product will reflect the collective demand for it, which includes “self-important” Lane Kiffin having media access.
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Re: I think I understand your thesis - put things in proper perspective and live in reality.
Sep 30, 2022, 9:14 AM
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Tend to agree with all this.
I grew up in an era when going to a college game was just something to do on a Saturday if the yard didn't need mowing or the dove weren't flying.
Same for pro ball - a nice way to spend a Sunday.
But then again, we didn't have 70" ultra-high-def TVs so going to a game was actually a heightened experience.
Now, you have to *really, really* want the seat you're sitting in because as you prolly know you're gonna pay and pay big just to rent it. Then you're gonna have to fight traffic and walk a half-mile to come within sight of it only to have your privates patted down or your purse searched to actually sit in it.
Fans (or skells as some on this board see it) like me are, more and more, opting out in favor of just watching from the cheap couch seats or the bar down the road.
At least that way when some addle-brained jock or insulated HC lectures us for being less than worthy of the product we don't feel like we've lost money on the deal.
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Re: I think I understand your thesis - put things in proper perspective and live in reality.
Sep 30, 2022, 9:26 AM
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If you weren't hoping for DJ to fail then I don't see why you're so personally attacked by Dabo's comment.
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Re: I think I understand your thesis - put things in proper perspective and live in reality.
Sep 30, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Expecting DJ to fail based on past performances and hoping he'd fail are not the same thing.
It's a distinction ALOT of folks -- including Mr. $115M -- can't seem to make.
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Re: I was thinking duck, but okay miss will work***
Sep 30, 2022, 9:40 AM
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Good mornin' cootster! *slow clap* Way to class up the thread *slow clap*
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:54 AM
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A lot of people on this board wanted DJ to fail too.
Often so excited to revel in his short comings that they would post about him during a game.
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I agree with you on all of this.
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Sep 30, 2022, 8:31 AM
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I think the players and coaches have been getting too mouthy about fans.
It’s probably yet another negative consequence of the social media society. There’s just too much crap out there.
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No problem with players and coaches getting more mouthy with fans
Sep 30, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Players and coaches now hear all the ######## from fans. Sure one can say “stay off off of social media, tv/streaming, radio/podcasts, etc if you don’t want to hear it coach or player”. But essentially you can only lock out so much.
And when it comes down to it, football fans are not the brightest bulbs in general. NFL has in general the highest % of mouth breathers as a whole but college sports not too far behind.
So if - gasp - players respond to things “they hear” from the unwashed or even if they respond to stuff they just make up to get motivated so be it. They shouldn’t have to wear a muzzle and just take it because they are getting paid whether by the university, scholarship, NIL.
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Re: No problem with players and coaches getting more mouthy with fans
Sep 30, 2022, 9:26 AM
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I do. Right here. I have a huge problem with it.
I may not be the brightest bulb in the room but I gotta say, when you play a game or coach a game and get stupid wealthy doing it, you should probably just kinda smile and count your blessings rather than running off at the mouth against them that brung ya, so to speak.
I get it - it's a lot of theater and the media plays into it and we the "mouth-breathing" fans fall for it and rant about it.
But in the end, they're still cashing in on us. And a little respect is due - talk trash about the opponents, not the fans.
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Re: No problem with players and coaches getting more mouthy with fans
Sep 30, 2022, 10:09 AM
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Yeah - that “mouth breathing” part was uncalled for on my part. I see the other side as well. Solid and respectful post.
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Re: No problem with players and coaches getting more mouthy with fans
Sep 30, 2022, 3:25 PM
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No offense taken.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Broke/debt-ridden students get *free* tickets.
If you’re tired of making “self-important millionaires” get rich off your back, stop buying tickets. Also, stop buying electricity, water, vehicles, homes, food, clothing, and everything else.
What’s wrong with the guy who’s paid to be the biggest advancer of the cause of a university’s football program pressing for a bigger/better football program? Of all people on God’s green earth, he’s the guy you’d expect to say these things.
Is this an Occupy Wall Street sentiment or something??
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 8:41 AM
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You nailed it. Too many of these folks “occupying” seats in DV.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:00 AM
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nkay.
So "occupying a seat in DV" is a privilege reserved only for those who remain unquestioningly loyal to those who benefit most from having those seats occupied.
This approach is working well in North Korea and China. Why not here.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 8:54 AM
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LOL - free ain't free. Including student tickets.
And, you're comparing football with human essentials? I think you've fallen off a cliff there.
Agreed - the guy who's paid to be the "biggest advancer" of a product is going to press for a bigger/better product.
That's a productive approach.
What isn't productive is calling out the consumers of the product for being bad consumers of the product while you kick back and count your millions.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:17 AM
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We choose to purchase “human essentials” rather than fabricate/forage for them ourselves. That’s economics, and that’s beautiful. It’s a choice.
Students also choose to pursue an education, with all its associated costs. Of course the tickets aren’t truly free - nothing is. It’s a perk that adds value to the “college experience,” for whatever that’s worth to an individual. It’s a choice.
People should rightly order their choices - I’m all about responsible prioritization of time and resources. I think that’s a synonym for maturity. But at the end of the day, businesses compete for those resources from individuals, and CFB happens to be extremely effective at it notwithstanding its quirks and faults.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:56 AM
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tickets are not *free* to students. Some of them are paying upwards of *$40,000* to have access to them
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See above. Nothing is free, but the costs for students to acquire tickets are sunk costs.
Oct 1, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Otherwise, they wouldn’t be called students, obviously. Kinda like saying the cost for an amputee to purchase a prosthetic leg includes losing a limb.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sunkcost.asp/GettyImages-490717100-577683d53df78cb62c456d4d.jpg) Sunk Cost A sunk cost is an expenditure that has already been incurred and cannot be recovered. These types of costs should be excluded from decision-making.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:14 AM
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Dabo is way underpaid. He gets paid what he does because people are willing to pay him. They realize the amount of revenue he brings to the university. He accomplishes what very few in this world can.
If some other school could get Dabo they would pay him $20 mil a year. These coaches also know that to continue to be successful you need full support of your fans. Recruits and players want to see packed stadiums. They are just letting their fans know if you want to continue to win your support is required.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:18 AM
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That's a very generous viewpoint and I can't really counter it other than to say I watched a lot of millionaire coaches coach teams to victory in front of a bunch of empty seats back in 2020.
And this made me wonder aloud how important the poor, locked-down fans really were to the process.
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If he builds it, they will come. Just win, baby.***
Sep 30, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Re: If he builds it, they will come. Just win, baby.***
Sep 30, 2022, 9:19 AM
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Better nail down that Dabo idol you've got perched at your tailgate. Might topple over and flip the queso.
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Re: If he builds it, they will come. Just win, baby.***
Sep 30, 2022, 9:25 AM
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It's the same as the pitcher in baseball getting 25 mil per season. He can do what most people can't and people are willing to pay him.
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Re: If he builds it, they will come. Just win, baby.***
Sep 30, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Yep. And he should cash the checks, smile a smile and thank the fans for as long as they choose to show up and watch him.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:20 AM
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As usual, a fake news post about NIL. If you think that even 1% of college athletes earn more than nominal money you need to enter the real world.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Didn't mention NIL. Slam some coffee, come back and try again. A free education is nothing to sneeze at.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:40 AM
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Ok so coaches shouldn’t be an advocate for their programs and should keep their opinions to themselves because they make too much in salary.
Got it. While there may be some merit in your thesis, your application is specious. Try again sometime.
But, the fan experience is not about the individual’s contribution. It’s about the collective functioning in unison. And most fans are seeking out that experience for the endorphin rush, not to support a particular coach or in response to a coach’s comments.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:47 AM
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And fans shouldn't make their opinions known because ... we make too little?
Specious. Not sure it means what you think it means.
What these coaches enter into is a contract to field a quality product in a competitive market. If the fans don't show up, the first thing to do is just win, baby.
If that's not working and the fans are still not showing up, the last thing to do is mic-up and *complain that the fans aren't showing up. Instead, *appeal to the fans to show up and trot out the winning product as a good reason why.
But never, under any circumstances, make the fans feel dumb or disloyal for opting-out because what's happening at the local bar or tailgate offers a better return on investment.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:45 AM
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If people weren't sticking microphones in the faces of coaches every time they turn around, I doubt most of them would say anything.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:49 AM
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Sure they would. They've got thumbs, smartphones and tweeter.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:47 AM
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I think it’s AD’s thinking that fans will come to the games no matter the cost and that they have unlimited pricing power.
With $3.50/gal gas, 20% inflation, and greedy administrators fans are getting squeezed.
And guess what - the data proves that no one wants to watch games on TV with empty stadiums, so the TV contacts eventually going stop skyrocketing.
And the NCAA is run by a bunch of egg heads asleep at the wheel that could care less about college athletics.
So in summary, the whole thing is headed to hell in a hand basket!
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 9:58 AM
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Yup. I spent more time watching Jerrytron at Clemson/ND in what? '18? than I did the actual game.
I was so far from the field, the jumbotron was a better experience.
And here they are with a newly-installed, massive Dabotron at DV.
I doubt they see the irony.
Speaking of Jerrytron/Jerry World - the man is a marketing genius. Fans show up to do just about anything besides watch a football game. It's like going to the mall, that place.
Goes back to my point: Coaches who for the most part aren't marketing geniuses (Dabo probably is) should do as little as possible to alienate the fans by calling them out as disloyal or whatever. Because chances are, their being there is pretty much incidental to the party that comes with it.
Start talking down to them, they'll prolly take the party elsewhere.
And let's not talk about the Gen Z crowd, where you're just fighting a losing battle as they spend more time on screen than in-person.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 10:08 AM
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Let's go back and look at the beginning of college sports.
They took students who went to school to get a education and let them represent them on the sports field. They went and played other schools to see who were the best. These were truly student athletes. I'm guessing that after getting beat all the time a school went after students with athletic ability to give them a edge. Come to school here and play football and we will help pay your tuition.
And from their it snowballs into what we have today. No doubt it has its problems but man I love watching it.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 10:31 AM
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Well you are right, when you're a college student it's mostly, if not all, about the party and the girls—
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I've enjoyed this thread and bemoaned the direction
Sep 30, 2022, 10:41 AM
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of college football for some time.
I absolutely understand a head coach who identifies empty stadiums or late arrivals and early departures as an issue. All things being equal, it demoralizes his team, it makes recruiting harder. He has a lot riding on this.
All too often, this "issue" is addressed with lectures or complaints or questioning the fans' collective character or commitment or support. Years ago I would have been in lock-step with this. But I've aged and the game has changed. Very rarely is this issue addressed in terms of what the team or the coach or the administration needs to do to earn 60 minute-ticks of unwavering focus and support. And at the end of the day, there is only one segment of this transaction is exclusively *giving*. The financial windfall to the coaches and obvious, and the benefits of being a D1 college athlete goes on for pages. As I always say, you can find no program in America...EVER...that can't give away their scholarships. Kent State and Prairie View field full teams, every single year.
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Re: I've enjoyed this thread and bemoaned the direction
Sep 30, 2022, 11:06 AM
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100% THIS.
In my little corner of the world, kids not only won't turn down a scholly to play, they'll pay *more* to attend the no-name school on a partial scholly as a student-athlete than they will to attend the state school as just another student.
It's a business. And it's definitely a lopsided exchange: some give/pay thousands ... and in the case of many ... hundreds of thousands ... of dollars to the program just hang on to their *seats year after year, much less gain additional access to facilities/parking/tailgating.
Yeah, no. These massive coaching contracts don't have a "Yeah but I'm butt-hurt" clause. If I'm the AD, I've going to muzzle them - no trash-talking our fans. Ever.
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I see nothing wrong with his take...
Sep 30, 2022, 10:46 AM
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and college football does have an attendance problem...and the trend isn't changing. Now aprt of that is that its Ole Miss and they've always been more about the party than the game.
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Re: I see nothing wrong with his take...
Sep 30, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Just don't blame the fans. Instead, show a little humility and ask them to come out. Because as the decline in attendance is showing, fans have a choice.
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Re: I see nothing wrong with his take...
Sep 30, 2022, 11:22 AM
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Truth be told. When I was in school sometimes we left the game early. Sometimes we stayed. That's the way it is when you're a college kid. It doesn't mean you're less of a fan. Plus watching the game on a bar is a pretty good experience. Kiffen s just worried. Because winning and recruiting is hard. Guess what it's hard for everyone.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Sep 30, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Two opinions: 1) like him or hate him, Kiffin is the top HC or top 5 in the country in terms of OC skill sets, and 2) Ole Miss and The Grove have the top tailgate situation in the country. Students & adults may lose the game but have never lost a party. It's hard to get even fans with tickets out of The Grove and into the stadium.
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Re: Kiffin's take on College FB attendance
Oct 1, 2022, 12:23 PM
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During their version of the Tiger Walk he wasn't getting a lot of support from the fans. They weren't booing him that I saw but they sure weren't cheering or trying to give him any love. Sometimes, especially with fans and/or children you need a gentler approach. I don't think he made the right choice just outright telling them what to do. Asking for them to come out and spend more time in the stands would have went a lot farther than running to the press and whining about it. Unless they start consistently beating the better SEC teams I don't see them bringing him back. Ole Miss is seeing why his baggage Lane train is miles long at this point.
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