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I don't want Clemson paying people hundreds of thousands of $ to transfer.
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I don't care if UGA and Bama are doing it. I don't care. I want Clemson to keep it's values. Let's go with recruiting and weather this storm of insanity.
Continue to accumulate the best assistant coaches who prefer the way we do things, lean on solid recruiting, punch above our weight as hard as we can until the next major shift. As long as Dabo continues to cull dead weight with coaching and snatching elite hires to replace them we will make it through this madness without participating in this disgusting behavior.
Screw it. I'm not willing to support debasing ourselves and the game the same way other programs are. We can beat FSU regardless of their revolving door transfer mercenaries. I'm All In.
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Mercenaries who will bail as soon as they find a better offer.***
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That's already proven. It's a "deal with the devil."***
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We are not trying to develop coaches. We benefitted greatly from his system.
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:56 PM
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We harvested as much from him as he did from us.
That's different than recruiting a kid and developing him for two years and then he leaves and all that development benefits a higher bidder.
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I think it's clear that Dabo has indeed been trying to develop coaches
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:00 PM
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but we can't stop the kids that we recruit and develop for 2 years from leaving if they want to, so we might want to start bringing in some of those developed kids from the portal to make up for it.
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Of fair point about develop coaches, we have been, but not Chad.
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:03 PM
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And not Venables. And not Eason or Rumph or Luke.
My biggest criticism of Dabo was that he didn't go out and get established coaches. I was pretty critical this year about exactly that. He took a big step in the right direction the last couple years.
I know he's open to getting transfers.... but we are not going to pay people to skip in line at Clemson. And it's something awesome to pull for to work.
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Re: I think it's clear that Dabo has indeed been trying to develop coaches
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:50 PM
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If we maintain a culture that truthful about building young men and offering a program where they can grow into NFL players, by not pulling players from the portal, we can keep a lot more than most programs.
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Chad Morris was here 4 years and brought us
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Deshaun Watson.
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Re: Like Chad Morris?
Jan 19, 2024, 7:32 PM
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No! No more Chad types. He played a significant part of setting CU football up for a great run. But now….No thanks.
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Adjust and get with the times
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:43 PM
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NIL is the new norm. You either get onboard and support it, or don’t complain when your program gets left behind.
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Like Colorado? Let's see how successful FSU is next year.
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:46 PM
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Transfer/NIL cash grab is not a sustainable path to success unless you have a Texas/UGA budget.
We can be successful without debasing ourselves and chasing after this terrible trend.
People who panic and follow usually regret it later.
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NIL Regulation is coming, but we cant refuse to adapt
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:49 PM
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in the meantime. You don’t have to build a team from the portal, but you do need to use it to fill talent gaps.
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We are willing to fill talent gaps.... but we are not willing to pay $250k
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:52 PM
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for it. And I am glad we won't.
So until they fix the awful situation, those transfers are going to chase the money.
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Re: We are willing to fill talent gaps.... but we are not willing to pay $250k
Jan 19, 2024, 7:27 PM
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Some coaches are saying a top QB in the portal costs you $1 million+. Wide receivers are $500k and up. The Florida QB was promised $13 million from a collective but didn’t get it so he’s bolting. That’s over $3 million per year! I have no clue how much NIL Clemson has to hand out but saw it speculated at $3.5 to 6 million total? I don’t think we have the money to buy top portal talent, and if we did then we have to match for retaining our players, else you have big issues. Portal and NIL and the ensuing greed are vicious monsters. I predict it’s going to eat up a bunch of coaches and programs and tarnish reputations.
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Terrible comparison
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:52 PM
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Stop using Colorado as an example of failed portal. The players they got from portal were avg at best.
Dabo needs to use it some. But he refuses to and is getting left behind due to it.
We can be a good top 20 maybe 15 program as is. But we will never crack the top 5 without using it some.
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Right now it's a bidding war for transfers. We are unable AND unwilling
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:54 PM
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to buy the same players that Texas/UGA can.
And FSU is hollowing out their program. They are throwing tantrums and will slide right back into mediocrity.
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Re: Right now it's a bidding war for transfers. We are unable AND unwilling
Jan 19, 2024, 12:58 PM
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FSU used the portal and almost got to the playoffs. If they have Travis they are a top 4 team.
We are not unable to use the portal. And yes we don’t have to use it to the extent of uga. But #### use it some instead of bringing in new hs players and walk on every year. It’s just dumb.
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FSU was willing to buy their roster. We are not. FSU took their shot and almost
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:00 PM
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made it. But they fell short... and watch how good they are next year.
Seems like so many fables that warn about this sort of thing.
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What "fables" are you referring to I wonder?
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:08 PM
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I got one for you - The Oak and the Reeds. Enjoy.
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You keep bending before the wind, I'll go with this...
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On December 18, the soldiers of the 101st were completely surrounded in the town of Bastogne. They had little ammunition, barely any food, and most soldiers didn't even have cold-weather gear. Reinforcements were inbound, but it would take a week for Patton to arrive. Most of the senior leadership was elsewhere, leaving the task of holding ground entirely on the shoulders of the troops.
A night-time raid by the Germans on the Division Service Area took out almost the entirety of the 101st medical company. By the time of the morning of December 19, Americans were outnumbered five to one — and so the Germans moved in.
On paper, this was a completely uphill battle. The only thing Brigadier General Anthony McAuliffe could do was have his men form a 360-degree perimeter around the 333rd Artillery Battalion's guns. Ultimately, this tightly controlled circle was the advantage they needed.
As the Germans prodded, trying to find a hole in Allied defenses, troops were be able to communicate with each other and quickly adjust, fortifying areas to meet their attackers. When the Germans pivoted and believed they'd found a new approach, the protected artillery guns opened fire. They'd regroup and try another approach, only to be met by American troops once again. This pattern continued on through the battle.
The fighting was intense but McAuliffe's defense held like a charm. On December 22, General von Lüttwitz, the German commander, gave the Americans their demands:
"There is only one possibility to save the encircled U.S.A. troops from total annihilation: that is the honorable surrender of the encircled town. In order to think it over a term of two hours will be granted beginning with the presentation of this note."
McAuliffe's response, in its entirety, was as follows:
"To the German Commander. NUTS! The American Commander."
The funniest part of this battle was that the Germans spent hours trying to decipher the hidden meaning behind McAuliffe's message. It was just a politely worded, "f*ck you."
This riled the Germans up even more. The Germans put all of their efforts into trying to wrest Bastogne from the 101st Airborne — at the expense of securing Antwerp. The American line was broken several times by panzers, but artillery shells would effectively pluck German armor out long enough for Allied infantrymen to retake their position.
On December 23, the skies finally opened up and the 101st started to bring in reinforcements and supplies via airdrop. It's not an understatement to say that they were only holding on by the skin of their teeth. American P-47 Thunderbolts came to the rescue, relieving artillery who'd almost entirely run out of ammo. The panzers, which had been painted green and brown for summertime, stuck out like a sore thumb against the snow. The narrow passageways the tanks had to travel meant the tanks couldn't escape the wrath of the Thunderbolts.
Throughout it all, the Battered ######## of Bastogne endued. Patton arrived on December 26th, finally evening the odds and breaking off the Ardennes Offensive. But all of that couldn't have been done without the ferocity of the Screaming Eagles holding down Bastogne.
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(Not a fable)***
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LOL. Obviously not.
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Heard a lot of stories from my grandfather, who was a MC on a sub in WW2.
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Re: Terrible comparison
Jan 19, 2024, 4:45 PM
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Look down the road at Usuc then
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Im ok with Top 15 if we maintain values and integrity.***
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Re: Adjust and get with the times
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:48 PM
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and those same fans will have nothing to complain about when those transfers transfer out to someone else for more dollars, cause that will be the norm as well
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Re: Adjust and get with the times
Jan 19, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Along with half of your roster that was otherwise happy. Until you brought in someone and are paying them twice as much.
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NIL is the new norm, but this poaching/mercenary transfer situation
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Jan 19, 2024, 12:51 PM
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will get reeled in. It's a disgusting sport right now. NFL is far better now. I've never thought that before. Contracts are fine. Paying players is fine. It's the poaching/luring/transfer revolving door that's unsustainable.
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Oh, I won't complain because I will have lost so much interest in the
Jan 19, 2024, 1:38 PM
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sport of "College" football.
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I do admire your sentiment and I'm with you and hope for a positive outcome
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:11 PM
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but "screw it" is probably what we get to rest our laurels on.
Personally going this route I think we're on the verge of drying up unfortunately. And yes it will be better for our souls in the end but in today's world of "if you ain't buying you ain't trying" we will more than likely fall back significantly. AS long as we all know that in advance. In other words as long as we all expect to be outside the top 15 year in, year out then it should be pretty peaceful around here.
It seems that the excitement and rigors of recruiting has now shifted to the transfer portal shopping. Our advantage for years was DAbo's recruiting and his program building through recruiting. Now that is probably gone so I'm afraid we've lost our advantage.
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Our best bet is to stick with our guns. We don't have the resources
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:22 PM
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to chase this (hopefully) fad anyway. It's an ugly thing to chase either way.
I'm happy being the best we can be with our own self-imposed limitations. We can't out-swindle UGA/Texas. But we can attract the best coaches by being unique. Luke quit UGA and came to us. How many prefer Goliath here anyway?
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Clemson doesn't pay anyone other than coaches to transfer.
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Jan 19, 2024, 1:22 PM
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NIL collectives are not part of the university.
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It's all funneled through the programs themselves. It's coordinated.
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I understand how it must appear legally, but we all know coaches know what their purses are.
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Re: It's all funneled through the programs themselves. It's coordinated.
Jan 19, 2024, 7:40 PM
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Absolutely. It’s madness now but imagine the chaos if the collectives weren’t working as an extension of the university (coaches).
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I could not agree more. I don't want us bidding on transfers. People
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might say but the other big-time programs are doing it or we will fall behind. I don't care anymore. I'll stop watching the cesspool of the sport if it continues on this trend for much longer anyway.
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AMEN brother***
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Re: I don't want Clemson paying people hundreds of thousands of $ to transfer.
Jan 19, 2024, 5:34 PM
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agree with most that poaching and tampering is the greater issue. WHen they released NIL without some rules that prevented it from becoming a recruiting tool, pandora's box was opened. It should have been tied to a minimum stay at the school or graduation, imo
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