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Dec 3, 2023, 2:53 PM
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As a college football fan, of these two/three extremes, which would you prefer:

1. College football functions as a minor league for the NFL. Colleges "recruit" the best players they can afford. Drop all academic requirements, as the players would not be students an any sense of the word, but professional athletes who merely wear the colors of the university whose sponsors pay their salaries.

2. College football players are legitimate, full-time students, subject to the same exact academic standards and requirements as every other student. They would not be allowed to accept any money from the school, donors, sponsors, advertisers, etc.(no NIL). They would be actual, full-time college students first, actively pursuing a degree, who play football for your school.

3. Same as #2, legitimate college students who play football, but with NIL allowed.

Questions:

Which of these scenarios would you prefer?
Which is best for college football?
Which are we closest to right now?
Which is most likely to play out?

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too many words for me. sorry.***

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Dec 3, 2023, 2:55 PM
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Not surprising.***


Dec 3, 2023, 3:04 PM
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Re: too many words for me. sorry.***


Dec 3, 2023, 8:03 PM [ in reply to too many words for me. sorry.*** ]
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You already have all three

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Dec 3, 2023, 3:37 PM
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The problem, IMO, isn't the student athlete, the problem is the complete lack of centralized regulation while allowing media entities to completely capture the sport.

That's what has happened now and its ruining the sport. Decisions are made by media companies, who own a respective conference, solely in the interest of the media companies and their share holders. Period.

I do believe we need mimic the NFL in the sense that we need a centralized authority that controls scheduling, TV deals, roster management, rules, etc...like the NFL does for professional football.

Goodells one job is to please the owners. The regulatory agency for CFB should be the same...make decisions that benefit the schools and the sport.

What we have now is a corrupt mess, and it has nothing to do with the players.

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Re: You already have all three

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Dec 3, 2023, 3:52 PM
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Right. The NCAA currently has free agency without the contract requirements that even the NFL has. It's bizarre. I dont know how the NCAA staff sleep at night. They couldn't stop NIL, but they could have prevented this.

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NCAA is dead


Dec 3, 2023, 9:40 PM
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At least for football

Really, the NFL should step in and help lead the change management. Bc if college football fails the NFL fails.

Everyone needs to take a massive step back and realize what's happening. These bloodsucking #### ### ####### media companies give 2 ##### about what college football looks like in 5, 10, 15 years. They just want a good quarter.

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And I say this as someone with no real NFL


Dec 3, 2023, 9:42 PM
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Team, idc about who wins, but I sincerely appreciate how they run that league. It's clinical, from a business and viewership perspective.

When they ask Fox, ESPN, CBS, or NBC to jump, those mother ####### ask how high and in what shoes.

They also have the players union to take care of players, etc. hate a lot of stuff they do, but you have to respect where they are and what they put out year after year.

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I didn't realize I was suggesting that the player was the problem.


Dec 3, 2023, 5:32 PM [ in reply to You already have all three ]
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I certainly didn't mean to, if I did. That wasn't what I was getting at at all.

We deifinitely don't have all 3 scenarios now. Either players are required to be actual college students exactly like non-athlete students, or they are not. Right now they are not, at least openly, and are not just openly professional athlete non-students like scenario 2.

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You have all 3 on a team right now

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Dec 3, 2023, 7:39 PM
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Or between various schools. Your scenarios all specifically tied to the athlete and NIL which is why I thought that, my bad

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What schools have players that are not enrolled as students?


Dec 3, 2023, 8:49 PM
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What schools don't have any players who don't have to meet and maintain the same exact academic requirements you and I would, without any help or exceptions that would not be available to you or me?

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Off the top of my head, this year


Dec 3, 2023, 9:31 PM
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Notre dame - Sam Hartman
Oregon state - DJU
Clemson - our kicker, don't even know his name

All these "graduate" players. I read an article where Joe burrow was taking one class, as a grad student. Was basically full time football.

It was this way back when I was playing 15 years ago haha. Cmon man

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C'mon man.


Dec 3, 2023, 9:57 PM
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That's not what I'm talking about at all. The ones you mention earned eligiblity over time while enrolled as students. Besides, those players make up a small fraction of overall rosters. In the scenario I described, players would never at anytime be required to be enrolled, and would make up entire teams. Whole teams would likely consist of paid professionals who have never been college students, never will be, and if they have, not at the schools they represent. We don't have that anywhere now.

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If Joe burrow wasn't at LSU


Dec 3, 2023, 10:09 PM
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Trevor has 2 rings.

Stetson Bennet? I bet he took 16 hours of classes during that 2 year natty run.

Those were the only ones I know of, but I know it's more prevelant than youre thinking.

Regardless, agree to disagree or whatever man. Without an entity to set up universal regs for all schools, and then put together actual TV deals that benefit cfb and cfb players, I don't think it's a critical issue

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Again, I know there have always been college football players


Dec 3, 2023, 11:33 PM
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(and basketball players) who were nowhere close to being able to do college level academics, or that didn't regularly attend class, or meet standards. I've known a few personally. And again, that's not what I'm talking about.

There is no college football program that openly requires none of it's players to be enrolled in school, and says "Our players are not college students, do not attend any classes; they are strictly professional athletes whose only connection to the school are as professional football players wearing our colors." That's what I'm talking about.

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Re: Hypothetical/theoretical questions about college football ...

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Dec 3, 2023, 3:48 PM
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#3, if the portal is eliminated (back to losing a year). IE, old rules and penalties re recruiting and transfers, with a player allowed to sell his image. That's a big if, but if I could wave a wand that's my choice.

If this could stand a court challenge, would like to see each school have to share NIL money to all players equally, to eliminate individual recruiting inducements. Or maybe it all goes into a central pot, and all players get equal, regardless of school. That would soon get the amount paid for a college player's name down to actual economic worth, which is probably less than the players think. How much is Cade selling HVAC actually worth?


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Agreed, great ideas.***

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Dec 3, 2023, 5:35 PM
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#1.

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Dec 3, 2023, 7:58 PM
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It's the most honest about where we are heading and it creates room for a truly amateur league again should schools not want to participate. It also removes the NCAA form the equation and would allow for a governing body more up to the task.

I think there should be some semblance of an educational tie-in. Like free tuition and educational support for athletes who want to pursue a degree while they're here.

I've said before this where we're heading. Minor league with college affiliations.

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Definitely solves a lot of problems

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Dec 3, 2023, 8:23 PM
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and helps Title IX issues. Do the same for basketball and be done with it.

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I'd hate to see that. I think it will be a sad day when the the players wearing


Dec 3, 2023, 8:41 PM
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a Clemson jersey are not part of the student body, not part of the shared experience, and don't give twoshits about Clemson, or whatever school they are playing for, but instead are just there for a paycheck. I hate it to the extent it already exists. I think college sports loses something important, something that makes it different and better than professional ball. I'm not naive though, and I realize we may be past the point of no return.

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I think we are. There's no way to divorce the money from the game,


Dec 3, 2023, 9:57 PM
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both in practicality and principle. I don't think even attempts at money splits would work because you're still dealing with the issue that some guys are going to be more valuable than others in marketing, so we're back at the question of why guys don't earn proportional shares of the value of their NIL.*

So, it would seem the best way to do it is create the semi-pro league, and then a true amateur league for all schools that don't want any part of the new paradigm.

I do think schools/ADs/boosters would have to still be involved and function as owners. And, maybe they determine the level of involvement of athletes into education.

idk man. I'm still going to lay this all at the feet of the NCAA for being so dogmatic in their player pay stance that we missed an opportunity for putting them on salary and perhaps sidestep the NIL aspect, but that was probably an inevitability anyhow.

IMO, cracking down on the transfer portal and implementing some sort of penalty would probably have the most immediate, direct, and consequential impact than anything else, and would be relatively low hanging fruit.

*One idea that might address this is NIL functioning less like an endorsement than a collegiate trademark, so you're not "sponsoring" the athlete but paying for the right to use his/her name. And, there would be one singular clearinghouse to player licenses, and players would collect when their NIL was licensed for use. So, the guys with the biggest names would still make the most money because their NIL's would be the most widely purchased. Then again, this would only work for like jersey sales and what not. I don't know how you get around (legit) corporate sponsorships like Dr. Pepper, unless you say guys can't be used for corporate purposes, which takes us back to the original ethics of how we got here.

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Looking at number 1

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Dec 3, 2023, 8:38 PM
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do the colleges have affiliation to certain NFL Franchises or is it just a league that is a step below?

how long does it take to seep into high school and beyond?

I feel like the EPL has some farm system that starts with elementary aged kids

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Good questions.***


Dec 3, 2023, 8:42 PM
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Were close to (1) now - weve never been at (2)


Dec 3, 2023, 9:27 PM
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There’s nothing that can be done. As long as “normal” students can move from school to school - there’ll always be thought that athletes can too…and to deny them that opportunity denies them the opportunity to make money.

So - soon - the schools with the most money will have the best teams. It’s going to stink.

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