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All-In [42197]
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How would you handle this hypothetical work dilemma?
Sep 29, 2021, 2:31 PM
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Let's say you're the boss or a supervisor. You have an employee who rocks. He kicks butt in all that he does for your company and for you. He's dependable, productive, and really raises the proverbial stock of your company. He rarely, if ever, misses a day.
Your employees are paid by salary, not by the hour.
Other employees who are less productive than he is come to you one day to file a complaint. They say that (and this is unknown to you) rock star employee often skips out of work early. He gets his stuff done, but he sometimes leaves an hour or even two before he's supposed to--especially on Fridays. They argue they would get in trouble if they did it.
Your company has a strict policy on it, and employees are supposed to put in for official time off if they leave early, which he isn't doing.
Would you:
A. Have a talk with the employee and tell him that going forward, this can't happen anymore because it's not fair and against policy.
B. Punish him because he has broken policy behind your back.
C. Brush it off because these other guys don't bring nearly as much to the table as this guy does. Maybe you tell rock star just to let you know next time.
D. (Insert your made-up joke reply).
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Fire the unproductive snitches
Sep 29, 2021, 2:33 PM
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If they snitch on him, they'll snitch on you. Nothing good comes from people like that.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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This is the right answer
Sep 29, 2021, 2:41 PM
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Don't punish high performers, else all you'll be left with is low performers.
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can you come be a consultant for our company?
Sep 29, 2021, 3:30 PM
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We've paid a LOT more for far less valuable knowledge.
If you came in with this stuff, you'd probably make triple what the other guys have made
(I wish this was sarcastic, but it's not. Your comment would make you a genius amongst our people)
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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I find most companies have a 50 mile rule for consultants
Sep 29, 2021, 3:47 PM
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The company requires a consultant to come from at least 50 miles away to be believable.
And the management who follow that kind of rule generally will pay big money for a consultant to tell then the obvious, then do exactly none of what is suggested.
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Nice - my company went one notch better and hired the
Sep 29, 2021, 3:50 PM
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consultant after the consulting was done. Now he is overseeing the non-implementation of his suggestions. It's magnificent.
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so it's totally normal for us to start using them
Sep 29, 2021, 4:01 PM
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on the accounting side of the company now?
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Orange Blooded [4616]
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Make it easy for him to request official time off, like
Sep 29, 2021, 2:35 PM
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just shoot me an email when you're leaving early. If he's not counting that time as PTO, give him more PTO...
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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If you like him, sit him down and be real with him
Sep 29, 2021, 2:38 PM
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Can't do that at other places, can't do it here. Got to be here to collect that paycheck. Now if they're doctors appointments or other things you need to go do, please feel free. We have a good work/life balance here. Catch my drift.
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D. Tell the snitch
Sep 29, 2021, 2:41 PM
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to stop being a little baby-back beta bitch boy.
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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Yeah or else you'll
Sep 29, 2021, 2:44 PM
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suck his c>ock. Then call him a f>ag.
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I truly thought I opened a rulez reply***
Sep 29, 2021, 4:51 PM
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The way to handle this in a manner that will help address
Sep 29, 2021, 2:44 PM
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ANY issue that might arise down the road is to gather your team, draw straws, and the short straw is tied up and burned alive in front of the rest of the team in the parking lot. Sure...you might lose your rock star to an unlucky draw, but more than likely EVERYBODY is turning out rock star production the next day. Maybe make it an annual event and serve delicious baked treats and local craft sodas to make it more palatable for everyone.
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Sep 29, 2021, 2:45 PM
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local craft sodas
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Re: How would you handle this hypothetical work dilemma?
Sep 29, 2021, 2:44 PM
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Tell him he is going to have to work his full time. Tell the others that his level of work is the new minimum standard.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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What do you call a vampire that's had too much to eat?
Sep 29, 2021, 2:45 PM
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A full count.
This joke is copyrighted by McLovin's Jokes 2013
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I would have a meeting with the snitchers. In person.
Sep 29, 2021, 2:46 PM
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When they walk into the room, an employee ranking of production should be visible in a prominent place. So much so that they can't NOT see it.
I'd proceed to thank them for their concerns. Then I'd refer them to the stack ranking and ask them if they were you what they would do.
At some point weave in that the rockstar often puts in time early in the mornings, in the evenings, and on weekends to help the cause and ask them if they think that MAY have something to do with production levels. Ask them if you should care if he leaves at 3pm on Friday given his penchant for working extra hours combined with his production.
To close the meeting, run in a circle around the meeting table making sure to slap the fuckgging sugar out of each of the snitches along the way. Then tell them to increase production or risk being written up and eventually fired.
Alpha. Dominance. Exert it.
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A. BUt I would also tell him to run it by me if he needs to
Sep 29, 2021, 2:49 PM
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leave early to CYA but not make it a weekly thing. Keep producing and kicking ### and you get some perks.
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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Give up and kill yourself.***
Sep 29, 2021, 2:53 PM
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Great, now there is
Sep 29, 2021, 2:54 PM
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kkum all over my computer screen!!!! LOL
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I see someone is spending a leisurely afternoon on
Sep 29, 2021, 2:55 PM
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R-word.com
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Re: How would you handle this hypothetical work dilemma?
Sep 29, 2021, 2:54 PM
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Resign.
If you're a boss/supervisor and you don't know your employees are leaving early...especially on Fridays...it's you that isn't doing your job.
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I found Bob in accounting who makes his employees
Sep 29, 2021, 2:55 PM
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tell him when they're going to the bathroom
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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Especially the dudes, so he can Bob on that DEEEEEEKKK***
Sep 29, 2021, 2:55 PM
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Re: How would you handle this hypothetical work dilemma?
Sep 29, 2021, 3:07 PM
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"they would get in trouble" - are these people 9 years old?
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Lolutz, I’m assuming this hypothetical ain’t for a gubmint
Sep 29, 2021, 3:15 PM
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Contractor, cause there would be no flex in that decision making.
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Re: How would you handle this hypothetical work dilemma?
Sep 29, 2021, 3:15 PM
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Had a guy working for me once who loved to cross "the line" when it came to leaving early or just taking time off last minute. I could not allow everyone to do it so I sat down with him about it. He assured me that he would follow policy like everyone else. Didn't make a big scene with him, just a private conversation. Next day, he crossed the line again and acted like it shouldn't matter. held him to policy that day so he quit the following day. We were better off OVERALL with out him.
Everyone can be replaced.
EDIT: I should also state this was a government job. Only three of us "guys" and a bunch of women folk... a few of whom always knew what everyone else was doing and/or supposed to be doing. I heard from them constantly. He was not going to add to that misery of mine.
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I'm more concerned with results than hours. So you have an
Sep 29, 2021, 3:22 PM
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employee that is more efficient than the others. Take some of the snitches responsibilities away and give it to the person that's leaving early so that he actually has 40 hours of work to do. You'll find out eventually that you are overstaffed and can easily get rid of at least one of the snitches by re-allocating their work to the better employee.
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Great suggestion.
Sep 30, 2021, 8:12 AM
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You're extremely productive and get to sneak out early because of it?
Here's your less productive co-worker's load. See if you leave early now.
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Re: Great suggestion.
Sep 30, 2021, 9:13 AM
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It definitely needs to be handled the right way, but at the end of the day the snitches need to be let go and the good employee clearly doesn't have enough work to do.
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I can tell you've been a manager for awhile***
Sep 30, 2021, 9:15 AM
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Note the complaint, but you need real evidence, not hearsay
Sep 29, 2021, 3:23 PM
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Right now it's just hearsay. Your HR department is going to need real evidence, which would mean you would need to personally observe this behavior AND document it. Depending on the company and the type of work, the results of this could be one of a couple things. 1. A discussion with the rock star employee that this behavior was observed by you and that it needs to change or you need to be notified when he will be out or leaving early by more than whatever time period you decide (an hour, two hours, whatever). 2. For a government contractor, this actually gets into a serious offense and it could be considered timekeeping fraud and have serious ramifications for your company. The previous government contractor I worked with had a zero tolerance policy for timekeeping fraud.
But aside from that, there's a couple questions - a. Does your company have a standard work hours policy? My last company was 9/80 with "standard" work day of 7:45-5:30 with a 45-minute lunch allowed, if an employee wanted to deviate from that, it needed approval and the employee was responsible for informing his programs of any work shift. This feeds into the next question... b. OK, so he leaves early. But does he come in early? Are the rabblerousers there when he gets in and can personally attest that he hasn't already covered the hours at the beginning of the day? c. Does he work from home in addition to the time spent in the office? d. Following point two above - are you a government contractor? If you are, you need to make sure his hours worked match his hours charged. And the government usually doesn't care if it's one of their programs or not, timekeeping fraud is timekeeping fraud in their eyes. Their money or someone else's they just see it as a violation.
Oh, and yes, I've dealt with some of this #### as a supervisor. You have your work cut out for you and you'll need to build the case along with your HR or compliance people.
God speed and good luck.
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I was a new hire at a company that sounds like "blackboard"
Sep 29, 2021, 3:44 PM
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in CHS back before remote work was a thing. I had one employee that lived in NY and would travel down here during the week.
Obviously, his fam got tired of that pretty quick, so his weekends started getting longer and longer. One week, he didn't come back to work, so on Wednesday, I called him and asked if he was coming back to work, and told him if not, I had to let him go.
He started with how bad he felt leaving his family in NY on weekends, and how his kids cried when he left and all this other crap (why did I care that he got a job in town 800 miles away?). All I could tell him was that his job was here, and he had to be here for it. If I had to be here, so did he. He went off on a yelling and cursing tirade. I had never had an employee yell at me solid for 10+ minutes, so I just put the phone down and let him go. I didn't really listen to much of it. I heard it get quiet, so I picked up the phone and heard him say said he was calling HR. I told him to do what he had to do.
About an hour later I got a call from HR and they said me and my boss had to meet with them. HR had talked to the dude and they asked me if I had informed the guy what his office hours were? And I'm like, well..I've been here two weeks...I thought he would have known that? I explained about the 10 minute cursing tirade he gave me, and got a blank stare back from the HR chick. He had already addressed that to her, and denied any of it.
In the end, I had to apologize to him for not listening to his concerns (in front of my boss), and resend him his job description in email, and get a signed letter from him he understood what his working hours were.
I quit 2 weeks later.
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Heard that company was crap to work for
Sep 29, 2021, 4:16 PM
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son of turned them down when they offered him coming out of Clemson.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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For new hires, its terrible.
Sep 29, 2021, 4:31 PM
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Its a meat grinder. They go through new folks like crazy, and treat the how you think they would. Everyone that is a new career starter, they pay the exact same. Or at least they used to. And it wasn't much.
Luckily, even then (13 years ago) I was a bit more "seasoned", so I came in at a decent salary and the hours weren't too bad for me. My boss was a cool dude. I was there about 3 months and ended up going back to my old job. BB had just made an acquisition of a company that did what my dept did, and the writing was on the wall what they would do with us. I quit, and within 6 weeks my bosses boss quit, my boss was fired and they either canned or dispersed all of the folks that had worked for me.
I got out just in time.
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Re: Note the complaint, but you need real evidence, not hearsay
Sep 29, 2021, 10:39 PM
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Just a hypothetical; not something I'm actually experiencing. Had this debate with some friends and was curious what y'all thought.
Appreciate the response, though.
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Usually it is more of a serious issue you have to deal with.
Sep 30, 2021, 6:43 AM
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as in a very high producer - #1 guy in sales, etc. - but he breaks rules - does not come to meetings, has a ###### attitude, treats others like crap, etc. - so in effect, he is a cancer to the organization, but is putting good numbers on the bottom line.
Saw this a few times and you have to deal with it. These guys never change btw, you have to terminate them.
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Re: How would you handle this hypothetical work dilemma?
Sep 29, 2021, 3:26 PM
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Is he a hot chick? It makes a difference.
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Apologies in advance for no humor involved
Sep 29, 2021, 3:27 PM
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but this kind of #### pisses me off to no end.
You talk to the Rock Star and tell him he just needs to give you a heads up that he needs to leave and that all his responsibilities are taken care of. tell him it is to cover your ### not his, and you want to stay in a position to help him.
Then gather the ####### snitches and tell them they need to be more worried about their own #### than what someone else doing/not doing.
I can't stand that petty behind the back ########. When you question someone about their actions and they say but John doesn't (insert identical action or policy) that pisses me off to no end. Yes you are all governed by the same rules, but you need to be worried about you not somebody else.
Unless its a safety issue, then yes you are worried about the other guys actions. But the correct response to seeing an unsafe act is not to cry and complain to management. The correct response is to approach the unsafe party, in a respectful and helpful manner and offer help or guidance.
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Oculus Spirit [78892]
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to be honest, I am not that productive***
Sep 29, 2021, 3:29 PM
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Review months of security footage and
Sep 29, 2021, 3:31 PM
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Take out of his PTO all the hours he stole from the company.
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If you want people to act like hourly workers
Sep 29, 2021, 3:34 PM
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then have stupid rules like this. If the guy is doing his job, by being exempt he's technically performing his end of the obligation.
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Oculus Spirit [78892]
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great answer, change the stupid rule!
Sep 29, 2021, 3:36 PM
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problem solved
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Orange Blooded [4701]
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I once had a boss at a certain large corporation in Gville
Sep 29, 2021, 3:40 PM
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(next to the Haywood mall, cough cough) tell me that I needed to work more casual overtime
Me: Oh no, am I not getting my work done?
Her: You're doing a great job, you just need to stay later for appearances
Me: Huh? So I have to pretend like I'm not able to get my job done during work hours?
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Same stupid b**** told me I need to take classes to overcome
Sep 29, 2021, 3:53 PM
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my shyness.
I have literally never been accused of being shy in my life, in fact I'm quite the opposite. I meet no strangers. I have zero fear of public speaking.
She was a meek & timid little woman, Apparently someone had given her that same advice and she thought I needed to follow it too.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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She didn't look like Harry Potter did she?
Sep 29, 2021, 3:56 PM
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I know we know some people...and Dong, and wife of Dong
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She looked more like peter pan at the time. Initials KH.
Sep 29, 2021, 4:01 PM
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I was there 2005-2009. I'm sure we do.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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2007-2020 - dang I can't even think of Harry's real name
Sep 29, 2021, 4:04 PM
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but definitely a different person.
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Orange Blooded [4701]
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I also had a creepy upper level manager make an
Sep 29, 2021, 4:07 PM
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inappropriate comment to me, in front of like 10 other women who hated him.
They all called HR and told on him and I would have just rolled my eyes and ignored it.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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My manager suggested that I like to r8pe goats
Sep 29, 2021, 4:09 PM
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in a meeting with 10 people. (TRUE STORY)
I would have been upset if he were telling lies about me.
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dang that dguar guy was funny***
Sep 29, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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It's funny, I worked at the same place
Sep 29, 2021, 3:55 PM
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and for the first 6 months I charged overhead. I came in at 0727 every morning and left at 1730 on the money.
Later I managed to work 4-10s for about a year. A few years later when I was on the 9/80 schedule I set a record for 17 consecutive Fridays off.
Good times.
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Yes I did that 9/80 too which was the only perk
Sep 29, 2021, 4:00 PM
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she tried to take that away from me but I was part of a management development program and she got shot down.
Actually not a bad place to work, but a lot of dinosaurs at that time who were dead weight. There was a guy who should have retired like 20 years prior still coming in and sitting in his cube reading the newspaper all day with his feet propped up.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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Someone tried to recommend me for that program
Sep 29, 2021, 4:02 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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I had that at my first job out of college.
Sep 29, 2021, 3:57 PM
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Most of the managers would show up at work around 9:30-10 am, eff off until about noon, go to lunch, then start doing some real work around 3 or 3:30...then stay to 7 or 8. My boss told me I had to be there at 7:30am..and wanted me to be there until at least 6 for "appearances".
I was making a whopping $22.5K a year. When we had a plant shutdown, I took PTO, and my boss wanted me to come in help with inventory..for free. He didn't understand why I wasn't into doing that.
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Lot o points [155973]
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$22.5k a year you say?
Sep 30, 2021, 1:13 AM
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“They hiring?” —FBC
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Easily A.***
Sep 29, 2021, 3:35 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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Probably a mix of A & C, most of the serious responses in
Sep 29, 2021, 3:39 PM
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this thread are good.
Then again, I'm dealing with an employee that does that and is NOT a rock star. So if you are a good electrical engineer with any experience in industrial design...hit me up.
I'm salary but I have to bill all my hours, so I don't get that flexibility, I do tend to never work on Friday afternoons though, but I also work on average 10hr days.
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All-In [49058]
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I get paid on commission basically...
Sep 29, 2021, 4:11 PM
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straight up, no draw. No settle cases no get paid.
But, I can work as much or as little as I can based on efficiency.
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Fire the SOB. He’s likely d0nking your wife or GF when leaving early.***
Sep 29, 2021, 6:34 PM
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I'd go with C. But that can get you in trouble. I know. ****
Sep 29, 2021, 7:40 PM
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depends on the company and level of transparency
Sep 30, 2021, 7:32 AM
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a lot of highly intelligent people are often perceived as lazy when they are just good at maximizing their time and finding innovative ways to do more work with less effort. If you have someone like that, and they are skipping out early, then you maximize THEIR time with more responsibility and a bigger piece of the pie, or in short, you promote them. But you have to explain that leadership is about setting a good example and making sacrifices for others, and that the position is dependent on that.
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All-In [31907]
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None of the above....
Sep 30, 2021, 7:35 AM
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I would keep an eye on said employee and see if he/she is really knocking off early and not telling me.
If the policy is to tell your boss if you're leaving early (which is a reasonable policy), then if I can substantiate this employee is doing that, I would then talk to him/her and restate the policy and my expectations. I wouldn't say others have complained and I wouldn't confront the employee without having observed it myself. Also, if that is happening a lot and I didn't know it, I would re-evaluate my management style/actions.
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All-In [46825]
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I hate snitches. I would fire them all.
Sep 30, 2021, 8:20 AM
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But I am in a similar situation.
I get to work sometime around 7:20 am and don't leave work until well after 6 pm 3 days a week and not until 11 pm one day a week. Then I work another 7-8 hours on Sunday.
On Thursdays, my one day I get off work early, I leave as soon as I'm done. Usually about an hour before I'm technically suppose to leave.
Had a co-worker snitch on me to boss and assistant boss.
Both said, when you're here as many hours as fbcooch, you can leave early too.
I know I'm at the right job.
Especially when assistant boss sends me tik tocks all day and then calls my office asking if I've seen them.
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CU Guru [1551]
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I love being in this position
Sep 30, 2021, 8:32 AM
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They know if they fired me they would be screwed. I'm not easily replaceable.
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