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Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jun 30, 2022, 11:05 PM
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Some of you say we are panicking (which most of us are not, but I digress) because we are watching the creation of 2 super conferences with millions upon millions of money arising and Clemson is in a conference with a huge disadvantage in money, TV markets that care about cfb, and national prestige. When would you panic over our relationship with the ACC? What's the point where you think enough is enough and Clemson needs to figure out a way to keep itself intact and in good shape in another conference or some other alignment? Just curious. Please don't panic over this question. 
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jun 30, 2022, 11:14 PM
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Once the process plays out in it's entirety. If Clemson got left out then I guess I'd panic.
I have faith that Clemson's Administration and BOT isn't comprised of complete imbeciles. So, I'm not panicking. A retarded 6 yr old could negotiate Clemson not getting left out. I like our chances, so I'll hold off betting against the odds for now.
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jun 30, 2022, 11:26 PM
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I predict the SEC coming after Clemson, FSU, North Carolina and Duke to get to 20 teams.
Big 10, getting the Irish, Oregon, Washington and Arizona to get to 20
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jul 1, 2022, 6:48 AM
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Great take on this. It will work out and I’m also confident at this point that Clemson will end up ok once it’s all said and done.
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Clemson will not get left out
Jun 30, 2022, 11:26 PM
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… and is in an enviable position. We are good.
I said it at the time, but the GOR was a very bad idea it had only negative long-term implications. We will get out of it …but you never give up flexibility for that long.
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Orange Blooded [2145]
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What is GOR?
Jul 1, 2022, 7:06 AM
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Re: What is GOR?
Jul 1, 2022, 7:11 AM
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Grant of Rights.
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Now you've grabbed a Tiger by the tail ...
Jun 30, 2022, 11:27 PM
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Seriously AThomas®, you've supported our Tigers like few others through the years and you appreciate how endearing and rational Tnet can be! But to your point, this is a good time for Clemson BOT, President and AD to be aligned and proactive in exploring and understanding all conference contingencies potentially available to Clemson University & Clemson Football. This includes ACC TV payout upgrade options, SEC interest, B1G interest, Notre Dame's thought process, etc.
Sending the troops off to battle without weapons does not work. This is the position I see Clemson facing. Potentially competing with 25-50% of SEC or B1G teams' football budgets will not put Clemson in a position to achieve ongoing success. So quality communication, investigation and contingency planning needs to take place now. Not panicky, but would not mind if Tiger leadership had several options and made a timely & deliberated decision to leave the ACC, which has made poor decisions for two decades, for the SEC. The SEC is not flawless but offers geographical and financial opportunities. But maybe there are better options. We shall see. Go Tigers!
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SocMan2... I wish I was as optimistic as you are... I fear
Jul 1, 2022, 12:00 AM
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that Dear Old Clemson might getting left out in the cold, so to speak. UofSC is in a position to block our entry into the SEC. And geographically, we really don't fit in anywhere else. I don't see a realistic path into one of the Super Conferences, if that is where this is all heading. I hope I'm wrong.
I blame our past ACC Commissioners and our own Administration for being asleep at the wheel. You could see this coming a mile away, from a football perspective. The NC basketball powers were happy with the ACC status quo, and we just tailed along, like we were blissfully unaware of the changing landscape...
The difference in conference $$$ and NIL will eventually take it's toll on CU. We are fighting an uphill battle, and I'm not sure how long Dabo and our "unique culture" can compete at an elite level.
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Re: SocMan2... I wish I was as optimistic as you are... I fear
Jul 1, 2022, 6:58 AM
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UofSC will have no more power to block anyone than Texas A&M did to block Texas.
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Re: SocMan2... I wish I was as optimistic as you are... I fear
Jul 1, 2022, 8:57 AM
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Bingo. Sankey would tell the women's basketball school (UofSC) to get in line so fast and do what's best for football.
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Come on now...
Jul 1, 2022, 12:08 PM
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Clemson has the 14th most football wins of all-time and 9th in the last 50 years. We have a top 30 public academic institution with a lucrative athletic department and ranid fans that will add to the coffers of any conference.
If by bizarre chance our admin is doing nothing, then we will be HIGHLY sought after.
There is no realistic reason to worry about whatever scenario plays out.
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Come on now...
Jul 1, 2022, 12:08 PM
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Clemson has the 14th most football wins of all-time and 9th in the last 50 years. We have a top 30 public academic institution with a lucrative athletic department and ranid fans that will add to the coffers of any conference.
If by bizarre chance our admin is doing nothing, then we will be HIGHLY sought after.
There is no realistic reason to worry about whatever scenario plays out.
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seems like people only panic when someone else jumps ship
Jul 1, 2022, 12:07 AM
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the ACC is getting plenty of money already... the exorbitance and greed is astounding in that they keep comparing themselves to 2 other conferences, and claiming they could/should be doing better. its honestly sickening, and its up to people like Dabo and Saban to voice their opinion, take pay cuts, and get this spiraling beast back under control.
a 2 conference Pro-league is somehow always talked about in football only, but NCAAB is either too far behind or too cheap to care? i dont see why the world has to quake just because 2 cali schools decided to sell out for more money. conference system was reasonable, only fix needed was letting the conf champs compete in a playoffs.
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If some of us old-timers had had our way back
Jul 1, 2022, 6:45 AM
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in the early 80's, we would have been out of the ACC and in the SEC for 30+ years,
I've repeatedly posted my disdain for the ACC, now stretching back to that despicable additional penalty levied against us by the ACC. Therefore, even with the GOR consideration, which I definitely opposed, any move out of our conference would suit me.
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^^^^THIS, IN SPADES!^^^^
Jul 1, 2022, 6:58 AM
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Re: If some of us old-timers had had our way back
Jul 1, 2022, 7:01 AM
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I agree 100%! We wanted REALLY wanted out after that ridiculous extra year tacked on by Tobacco Road.
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jul 1, 2022, 7:17 AM
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I think the best solution would be for Clemson to stay in the ACC and the ACC get better. The ACC doesn't have to be financially as strong as the SEC or Big 10 but keep the financial gap manageable. Of course this means bringing in more teams and who do you get? If this isn't a possibility then Clemson will have to explore moving to a different conference. Only the SEC makes sense and whose to say they would take Clemson. Some tough decisions ahead for the powers in charge.
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This is my opinion as well.
Jul 1, 2022, 12:11 PM
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I simply do not believe the 2 superconference rumors. In my opinion, I believe there will 4 conferences with 16 teams each. The ACC will stay intact and expand.
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jul 1, 2022, 7:25 AM
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OP is in a panic. Que Sera Sera.
Relax, OP, and enjoy the present.
My response is honest and not meant to upset OP or anyone else.
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I won’t panic about it…but I will pay attention and TALK
Jul 1, 2022, 8:00 AM
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about it.
As much as I wish things could stay as they are (or even go back to the way they were), I know that they can’t. I also know that I have no role in determining the direction of conference realignment. All I CAN control is my support for my Tigers. My unwavering support.
If we get “left out” and end up playing for G5 championships, then I will cherish the national championships we have, but hope for a trophy case full of G5 cups. If we go back to the SoCon, I will learn to hate Wofford and Furman, but will look forward to annual playoff trips. I will support Clemson no matter what. The administration, the coaches, and the student athletes (anyone remember that term.).
So please don’t interpret my engagement as panic. I care what happens, and I selfishly want us to remain a player on the biggest stage, so it is natural to speculate, discuss and hope. But in the end, it is just sports.
#serenitynow
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jul 1, 2022, 8:48 AM
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If Clemson hadn’t elevated it’s national brand so dramatically in the last 10 years, I would be worried.
Clemson is just as attractive as any other school in the country. If it comes down to it, other conferences will absolutely come knocking.
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jul 1, 2022, 7:06 PM
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Do you think the BIG1 took USC and UCLA because of their traditions? No they took the two most prominent schools in California to add to a strong conference to extract more money in their upcoming “deal”.
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I didn’t have time to read,
Jul 1, 2022, 8:59 AM
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but I’m definitely upset.
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I don't think I'd ever panic, to be honest.
Jul 1, 2022, 10:03 AM
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But I think I look at it differently than most of Tigernet. I don't share the belief that Clemson maintaining its prestige is a goal unto itself.
It's like if other football programs started hitting small round balls with bats and running around bases in a diamond shape in order to score points instead of getting an oblong ball into an endzone. And all the recruits were loving it. And people on Tigernet would say "We have to start playing football like this or we'll be left behind!" And I would think "So, leave us behind then...playing that way does not interest me."
I'm sure the AD is all over this stuff...but for me, as a fan, I like what I like. I like regional rivalries, I like road trips to places I can drive to, I like the possibility that kids can play these sports and still be the students they are supposed to be. I like history and tradition. I like amateurism. I like the idea that...just for 3 or 4 years...the overwhelming majority of the players will stay with the program. Destroying tradition and history in order to remain "relevant" and fly to Michigan for games so that multi-millionaire "students" can optimize their brand and the university can optimize its revenue stream is not interesting to me. Followed of course by the dozens of "opt-outs" as the season does not unfold into the playoffs, the free agency in the off-season, the teams buying players away from other teams. It's not College Football, so it doesn't matter if we stay relevant.
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Clemson has one of the best football traditions in America.
Jul 1, 2022, 12:01 PM
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We're not going to get left out of the changing landscape, no way, no how.
With that said, I simply do not believe these rumors about two super conferences. I don't see how that can possibly work, with the lone exception of creating an NFL model where each conference has divisions. The teams plays all teams in their division and variable schedules beyond that. At the end of the season you start the playoffs within conference A and conference B, with the ultimate goal of the winner of A going against the winner of B for the "super bowl" of college.
I could sign up for that, but until proven differently I just can't imagine two gigantic conferences are in the works.
Either way, Clemson is a strong academic institution with a tremendously lucrative athletic department - we will be in high demand, and like others said our leadership is smart and has plans.
The real question is - how could Clemson possibly be left out of a two super conference model?
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Big XII is toast already, as is the PAC XII
Jul 1, 2022, 12:29 PM
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if there is a scramble to get to 20 teams, pursue ND, Oklahoma St., Kansas, TCU or Houston, WVU and maybe poach a Maryland or Penn St, since B10 contract is up next year. Major media markets then include Florida, Atlanta, NC, VA, DC or PA, NY, Boston and Chicago, actually nationwide with ND.
The reality is the new amalgamation in college football will be around 60 total teams. ACC would immediately begin renegotiating media contract. 3 super conferences. The money can even out as all 3 super conferences would be negotiating at the same time.
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Re: Honest question not meant to upset anyone
Jul 1, 2022, 12:50 PM
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I'm not ready to panic, but Clemson needs to be proactive. There are going to be plenty of obstacles but hopefully Clemson's success on the field will help them find a way into the mix.
The perceived disadvantage for Clemson in the SEC is that we're too similar to other programs culturally and wouldn't bring anything new to the table. I don't understand that logic because if there's anything the SEC prides itself on it's being Southern and "owning" Southern football. Adding a Southern team in the middle of its footprint which has been a perennial contender for the past decade (more on this later) and a bit of a thorn in its side (16-7 over that span vs 6 teams; 4 of the 7 losses vs the national champion) makes sense.
With the B1G, people suggest Clemson wouldn't be attractive because it's small, isn't an AAU school and doesn't have a big market. I think people overestimate the "market" factor. I know it was a driving factor w/Rutgers & Maryland but I don't think it's the case with USC or UCLA, even if they do happen to reside in the nation's #2 market. I think more than anything, adding USC & UCLA was about creating name brand matchups and expanding the recruiting footprint of the conference. While Clemson's national name isn't on the level of USC or UCLA, it's considered a top-tier team competitively and would create compelling matchups and must-watch games. The cherry on top is not only do they add an elite level team, the team is right in the SEC's back yard.
As I mentioned before, the SEC prides itself on essentially having a monopoly on Southern football. They haven't minded Clemson (or FSU when they were on top) being around because let's be honest: the ACC wasn't ever a legitimate threat to the SEC. How are they going to feel if they've got a top ten Texas vs Georgia matchup in Athens, but right up the road there's a top ten B1G matchup between Clemson and Ohio State? I don't think that would sit well with the SEC. Even if for some reason they didn't want Clemson to begin with, the SEC may go after us just to prevent the B1G from getting a powerful program in the middle of the South.
More than anything, this expansion is being driven by TV money. The legalization of sports gambling has reduced the importance of "big market teams" because more & more casual fans are watching for the betting aspect. Clemson can provide either conference with another potential headline matchup each week and that's what the networks want more than anything.
It's going to be very interesting to see how things play out moving forward. I'm guessing any move would be made with a group of teams, likely with FSU & Miami, but at this point anything is possible. I just hope our administration is working diligently behind the scenes to make sure we're in the middle of these conversations.
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