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Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:27 AM
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some players from the Portal, should they automatically start for us? Let's not forget, we tried, hard, to get an offensive lineman in 2021, but he chose Michigan instead. Offensive line is STILL our most important position of need.
If Dabo is looking to the Portal, it certainly means he is conceding that what we have at whatever position of need is not working. I am beaten down from trying to defend our practice of developing our own players. Maybe what we need IS to bring in a few Portal guys, shake things up, and then maybe our guys will push away from the steak buffet and go run some stadium steps or something. We are obviously fat and happy, and grossly underperforming at offensive line, at least.
But, make no mistake. As soon as that first Portal starter steps foot on the field, Clemson will have lost something of our culture. That feeling of "family", hokey as some may think it is, will dissipate when you kick a family member to the curb for a replacement outsider. But, at least then Clemson will be just like everybody else, and the Portalets can quit talking about it.
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And maybe we will finally have a legit Right Tackle.***
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Orange Blooded [2007]
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Taking portal players
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:32 AM
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Places Clemson in the win first, academics and Clemson culture second with every other "school". I guess the portalets are OK with that.
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Re: Taking portal players
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:41 AM
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You can't make fun of Tennessee for being "Champions of Life" or the Gamecocks for buying rings every time the wind blows...and then hide behind the "Clemson Culture" for our losses.
And as far as "win first" and academics second...that's a college football thing now. So you're either playing college football or you're not.
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Re: Taking portal players
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:43 AM
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Remember, we’e taken transfer players. The RB Thomas is an example. Randall’s brother is another example. They are on the team, but only ever expected to be backup contributors. Same for the grad QB’s that transfered in. I think you will see Dabo attempt to get “starter” level transfers in areas of need with one or two years of eligibility left (eg like the Virginia center). That mostly leaves the developmental culture intact. You could make the argument the transfer starter is taking the place of an existing starter who left or declared for the draft. Backup players not ready for a starter role would not be impacted by the new guy stepping in. Atleast that’s an argument the coach can make to them. If backups are pushing for a starting role then likely the staff won’t see that as a position of need anyhow.
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Re: Taking portal players
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:50 AM
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I guess you OK with losing.
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I'm OK with Clemson being Clemson
Oct 27, 2023, 3:55 PM
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and not being like all the others that are buying players with NIL and taking 28 transfers. If we lose a few games, yes, I'm OK with that. I've got other things in life to care about besides whether we are wringing every drop of dignity the university has to win a couple more games.
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:36 AM
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No, but if we snag a RG from the portal and they don’t start, you have really got to wonder about our OL talent evaluation process
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:37 AM
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The players are not the problem. Our oline is deep in size and talent. But lacks development of skill and technique. Take Ryan Linthicum for example. He was I think the highest rated Center in the country, I’ve followed his social media here and there. He’s putting the work in and grinding but still not starting or developing. He was projected my many to be a multi year starter. Until we get a proven oline coach who knows how to develop technique and skills, our oline will just be bodies that get in the way and are pushed around by opposing Dlines. It’s not from a lack of trying cuz those kids try there butts off. They are just not taught and equipped with the knowledge and skill to hold their ground at this level.
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Oct 27, 2023, 9:02 AM
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I agree it’s coaching and player development. Heck, unless Dabo changes up his staff, it wouldn’t matter who we brought in. I’m not “Portal pushing” .. just tired of losing to portal players of teams we used to beat.
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:39 AM
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It doesn't seem to be that different from a talented Freshman coming in and winning the job at his position. You can still vet the transfer just like you do recruits. Unless all players that are transferring are problem child's which isn't the case. Plus we have taken several transfer backup QB's. Just doesn't make sense to me 76.
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Like I said, tired of fighting off you Portalets. My only reply to your
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example is, we would have your talented freshman for at least three years, until he is NFL eligible. Anyone coming in from the Portal is going to have less eligibility left. Also, to get them into our system, we have to "depgrogram" out of them whatever system they were previously in. High schoolers, for the most part, are still more malleable in that regard, as high school offenses are vanilla compared to college, most places.
I'll leave the "Problem Children" out of it, because I don't believe Dabo would ever go after, or accept that kind of player no matter how good he was. Again, there are those that whine about our recruiting practices along those lines, but it frankly makes me proud that Dabo doesn't even recruit guys with any sort of KNOWN character issues. Have we still gotten a few that had previously UNKNOWN issues? Sure, but they got weeded out and shown the highway pretty quickly. (TJ Dudley comes to mind as the most recent example.)
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Re: Like I said, tired of fighting off you Portalets. My only reply to your
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A bunch of this "system" crap is a lame excuse. NFL players get traded and start the next week. When you get to this level, good players know what to do. O line en know man blocking and they know zone blocking. O line is not rocket science. Receivers know routes. Corners and safeties know zone schemes. D line knows gaps and stunts. If we are running a system so complicated people can't transfer into it and be at full speed in an off season, we need to scrap it!
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CU Medallion [65973]
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Garrett Riley was brought in as an offensive wunderkind, and the first
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Oct 27, 2023, 9:23 AM
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thing he said was "We need to simplify our offense, and get good at running fewer plays." Our offense had gotten too complicated, apparently.
And our defense is for sure complicated. Brent Venables, the architect of our defensive style, struggled last year at Oklahoma, implementing his defense with a new crowd. Now, second year in, you are just now starting to see them resemble what he had at Clemson. And, they are not nearly there yet. Is it TOO complicated? At times, yes. Teams that HUNH'ed us had success against us, even when BV was still here. It seemed to be taking too long to get all the defensive signs in from the sidelines.
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BV hit the portal really hard....that's why they are where they are***
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Orange Blooded [3637]
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Let me push back on that a bit...
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:40 AM
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specifically the end bit about losing something of our culture the moment a transfer steps on the field.
I think a recruiting advantage that Clemson has had has been Clemson's commitment to the kids. 'Til graduation do we part, as Dabo says. That means that if you blow out your knee on the second day of practice that you still have an opportunity to get a degree. That's a very good deal to a lot of kid's families and gave us a leg up.
However, that loyalty is not being reciprocated. How many transfers OUT have we seen?
So the first time a portal kid steps on the field, it will most likely be because we had someone leave and need to backfill a position.
That in and of itself doesn't change the culture around Clemson. The culture change happened in college football writ large, and Clemson is being caught up in the current.
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Re: Let me push back on that a bit...
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And I imagine the majority of players we would go after in the transfer portal.... should Dabo decide to expand its use, will be players we recruited in high school that for whatever reason decided to go elsewhere. I'm sure most of the players they would/will go after are well known anyway during their high school recruitment.
I understand Dabo's reluctance to use the portal.... and like he said, the portal, just like high school recruiting goes 2 ways.
Dabo will not sacrifice the culture he has built.... and it is his program to run how he see's fit. His record has earned him that right. You can see it in his face.... he knows there are big issues he will address at the end of the season.
He says every year they start from scratch.... look at every aspect of the program and if that is the case, he will look at the results of every coach and himself and ask the hard questions.
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Football is a game WON
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Oct 27, 2023, 8:50 AM
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By tough guys who enjoy the physicality of the game!
The more you have, the more you win!
It’s great to have these guys who are such wonderful gentlemen and are so dedicated to the coaches but give me a few guys who love to bust a$$ on saturdays. You’ll win more game … I promise!
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Oh, bobbyb99. There are apparently a whole lot of TNet coaches on
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here who do NOT think Dabo's record has earned him the right to run his program the way he sees fit. Hence all the Portal, Family and Friends Plan, and other disparaging posts.
As you say, all you have to do is look at Dabo's expressions these days, to know that HE knows we have major problems. I would be VERY surprised if there are not multiple (probably two to three) assistant coaching changes after the season. I would certainly be disappointed if we DON'T make a change at Offensive Line coach, and Strength and Conditioning. Our guys are getting physically pushed around, and, unlike older times when our superior conditioning won us games in the 4th quarter, WE are the ones running out of gas, and surrendering leads late in games.
Harumph.
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Make no mistake, Dabo can run the program however he wants.
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He's earned that right.
But how is that working out for him recently?
We are 5-5 in our last 10 games. That includes a 3-5 record against power 5 teams. Two of those three wins are against Wake Forest and Syracuse.
We are currently working on the third year in a row of not making the playoffs, and of not even finishing the year in the top 10 - and that's despite having what is regarded as one of the most talented teams in the country, picked each of those years to be a contender for the playoffs.
You or any of the other 98.5%ers can talk all you want about how amazing Dabo has been. You won't get any debate from anyone on that. But you will get pushback when you conveniently ignore how subpar we've been for several years now, to the point that we are a mediocre football team on 10/27/23.
Carry on.
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Re: Make no mistake, Dabo can run the program however he wants.
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You are correct JK.... Let's see what he does in the off-season. He made a big move last season and it does not seem to be the answer. I think he knows it goes deeper.
This will be the first year we don't win 10 games (unless we win out and win the bowl which is more unlikely than likely).
The look on his face shows he is very concerned and could be questioning many of the decisions you point out about portal, inexperienced coaches, etc...
Replacing Streeter with Riley might have been much easier than the decisions he is going to have to make this offseason unless things radically turn around.
Its obvious it was not just DJ.... I believe he knows that now. But.... we shall see. Another year or two of this, the 1.5% will become 50% with the salary he makes.
At the end of the day.... anything the football program does or fails to do is 100% the responsibility of Dabo. Why did we win? Dabo.... Why did we lose? Dabo.... He is the CEO of the organization. Same in business... .its a CEO's only job to raise share holder value. Thats it. Dabo's job is to win football games... and at his salary, its his job to play for national championships on a regular basis.
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Exactly.
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This notion that all portal players are quitters who have attitude problems is ridiculous.
Plus, if our culture is so strong, then why are we scared that one or two players would negatively impact the culture that the other 100+ players and coaches in our program have created?!?
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Re: Exactly.
Oct 27, 2023, 12:14 PM
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Just be ready for the Dabo decides to go after starters ftom the transfer portal, and they don't want to come here.
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absolutely....Dabo not ONLY has to decide to meaningfully "portal".....
Oct 27, 2023, 1:18 PM
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but he's going to have to rid the national perception that Clemson/Dabo "doesn't like portal players"............notice I never said he said that, but the PERCEPTION is that. He's got some ground to make up if/when he decides to meaningfully dip into the portal.............NIL is a good way to lead that charge.
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Why does everyone harp on the OL? We are 38th nationally in yards given up defense and 49th in offense so neither is great. Nobody on the OL fumbled, nobody of the OL could not stop FSU, Duke and Miami from scoring. Yes, we need to be better on the OL but also have to understand that Cade is learning, we still need speed at RB and WR, and the defense needs someone to step up and make the big stops.
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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I think most of the portal players are there because of lack of playing time at the previous school, so I doubt they will go somewhere where they don't start or at least have a good chance of starting. JMO
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Oct 27, 2023, 11:48 AM
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You just don't get the portal. The teams using it with success are using NIL money to put the players they want to buy in the portal. You don't want the "can't start where they are" players. You want who you want and you NIL him to you.
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This is where the 98.5% like to portray us as victims of NIL.
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They will say, "The good transfer portal players are just looking for an NIL payday," and proceed to make it sound like little 'ol Clemson just can't afford to play the NIL game.
Meanwhile, they conveniently ignore the huge NIL deals some of our players have gotten, as well as ignoring the NIL center Clemson started which was spearheaded by Dabo.
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who said anything about "kicking current players to the curb"????
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that's a laughable misconception.
over the last 5 years we've averaged 8-10 players LEAVING to the portal as it is.........that's essentially a THIRD of a recruiting class...........OR "FAMILY" as you'd say. It's simply backfilling 3-5 of those EXITS w/ IMPACT portal players
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Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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Or is it just willful ignorance because they know it goes against the Dabo cult's company line?
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Portal players are moving to start somewhere. Not depth.
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How many times must this be explained to you? You think portal kids are in there looking to be added depth and challenge for a role? You’d be wrong.
So yeah, bringing in portal players relegates another guy down the depth chart to Magic Portal Guy can come in and start. That’s why they move, and they’re not moving to once again be buried on a depth chart.
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How many times must this be explained to you Stan...?.....
Oct 27, 2023, 1:00 PM
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the positions we'd go to the portal for are depleted of talent anyway.
your Orange glasses are blurring your vision by overestimating the "talent" that we currently have......mainly WR.
and like I've said that you also don't comprehend........we lose roughly a third of a recruiting class every year to the portal.
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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Oct 27, 2023, 9:22 AM
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The portal can be a good thing
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Are you against competition?
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It's healthy.
A 3* 23-24 yo player with experience can be > 5* 18 yo player. Who knows. That's why we compete.
Would it be better to save that scholly for a Daniel HS 2*?
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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I feel the question has already been answered by Dabo’s actions. If the player had selected Clemson instead of Michigan, he would have started.
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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But what about the family members that leave is through the portal
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We tried hard to get an offensive lineman from the portal?
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Re: We tried hard to get an offensive lineman from the portal?
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Yep. He turned us down.
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Im not convinced we pursued him with the effort you and others claim.***
Oct 27, 2023, 3:34 PM
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Re: Im not convinced we pursued him with the effort you and others claim.***
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I'm not convinced that was the issue in the player deciding to go to another school.
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Isn't the portal going to take a hit once the covid year ends?
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you're not going to have as many players to choose from with 3-4 years of experience like it is now
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Re: Here's a question for all you Portalets. If Dabo DOES go out and get
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You make a point I keep trying to make. Do we want a program that is just a bunch of college football mercenaries or do we want kids who have bought into Clemson and are a part of its culture?
Aside from that, the majority of portal players are disgruntled, burned out, GA, or underperforming players. To use the portal you have to be like Bill Belichick in NE and will likely end up like him also. If you have done a great job in recruiting top-notch key players you can go on the cheap and fill it out with portal players (aka, Free agents). If you can maintain an excellent core of legitimate draftees (freshman sign-ons) then the portal (free agency) can fill it out. As we have seen in NE the second the wheels come off your draft or your coaching slips just a little bit then you are going to regret ever attempting to build anything with the portal. You would do better with driven walk-ons than axe-to-grind portal players with a chip on their shoulders.
The portal potty king coach Prime Opportunist-for-Himself is not even likely to make it to a bowl game.
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such a clueless post......
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first of all...."the portal king" prime has already quadrupled CU's wins from last year BECAUSE of the portal. Not to mention Clemson's not at the point to where that kind of "portal" play is needed.
SECONDLY, those kids you say have "bought into Clemson".........yeah.......we're losing 8-10 per year to the portal over the last five years.........that's give or take ONE THIRD of a recruiting class that "buys into Clemson" every year.
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Re: such a clueless post......
Oct 27, 2023, 2:31 PM
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Most of the "portal" teams are going to national-championship level. There are going from bad or Medicare to average or above average. That doesn't help us.
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Valid Post
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76er® ... If there is any position that screams out forThe Portalet, it is OL. 1) Every position on OL should be up for grabs. 2) OL, unlike RB/WR, needs some growth & development. 3) Start recruiting the MidWest big time. UGA, Bama, SEC own Clemson in southeast OL recruiting. Let's give some of these Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. OL studs a chance to jet ski on Lake Keowee and meet SC coeds. Hopefully, these Texas OL will pan out.
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