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Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 1:37 PM
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looking to further expand at the very moment, but if ND jumps to the BIG 10 then us, FSU and Miami to the SEC is a done deal, as Sankey wants to be the top dog. The other report I heard was that ND likely will not join the BIG 10 in the near future but is looking to drop the ACC and have the same relationship with the BIG 10 they did with us, all other sports members and a yearly schedule with the BIG 10 structured like the one they currently have with the ACC.
Who knows what's real and not real at this point or what is going on behind the scenes, just thought I would pass it along since I didn't see anyone post it yet. Heard the first part on Dap Patrick, and the ND swapping the ACC for BIG 10 but not joining on Cowherd's podcast with Joel Klatt.
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Dan Patrick****
Jul 12, 2022, 1:37 PM
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Re: Dan Patrick****
Jul 12, 2022, 1:52 PM
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I could live with that.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 1:57 PM
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Supposedly the University presidents got together and wanted sankey to put out a statement saying they're fine with 16. I tend to agree. They wouldn't get more money for us moving to sec.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 2:03 PM
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My opinion, and of course we all have one on this subject, is that the $EC is not going to invite Clemson, FSU, or any other ACC school into their conference. ESPN will have to fix the absolutely asinine GoR that is chaining us to the ACC. It’s not worth the SEC or B10’s time or money to deal with the legal mess that involves. But why at this point would ESPN try and help any ACC schools get out of the conference? They’ve got guaranteed money in their pocket until 2036. They, like the SEC, B10, and golden child Notre Dame can afford to wait it out and see what happens.
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Notre Dame is not joining a conference unless money runs out
Jul 12, 2022, 2:19 PM
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and they can't get a good TV contract by themselves. In the meantime, ACC schools are stuck with the current contract for a while and will be at a disadvantage monetarily.
Athletic programs like people, tend to "spend what they make". Regardless of the money differential, lower tier SEC and B1G schools are going to remain lower tier. Vanderbilt is going to be Vanderbilt and Bama is going to be Bama. Ohio St. going to be Ohio State and Rutgers is going to be Rutgers.
I'm more concerned about SEC deciding not to play ACC schools out of conference. Clemson not playing the occasional game with Georgia, Auburn Texas AM out of conference will hurt. Picking up a Washington or Oregon type game is not going to move the needle.
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Re: Notre Dame is not joining a conference unless money runs out
Jul 12, 2022, 3:10 PM
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They said ND can survive in the short term especially with a relationship with the BIG 10 but they only can profit and own the rights to their home games while being a member they get a piece of everyone’s revenue and that when the new TV deals get signed they won’t have many other options than to join due to the revenue disparity and what they are leaving on the table. Similar to is being stuck in the ACC.
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agree although inviting is a bit of a misnomer -
Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM
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there are verbal conversations(nothing in writing or email) that I'm sure happen to get a feel if the votes are there, but the teams have to apply/ask to join, not the other way around. After the application and vote, then they get the "invite". The conferences that are accepting the new member can't get wrapped up in tampering lawsuits. This has been the case since some of the Big East allegations if not prior. None of this changes GOR though. You are right on that I believe. We are not headed anywhere anytime soon IMO. We will eventually head to BIG or SEC but I doubt there will even be an announcement of that until the early 30s and our movement will coincide with the ending of the existing GOR/ESPN contract.
The one thing I will say though is ND is the team to watch for as potential test case for the GOR. They would only be giving up non-football rights and that could potentially be made up elsewhere if they decided to ditch the ACC early and start B1G scheduling like the OP mentions.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 2:21 PM
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Lol SECand B10 are not making these calls you can bet that ESPN and Fox is telling them who and when.
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Notre Dame is under contract with the ACC through 2036
Jul 12, 2022, 2:37 PM
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Consequently, because of the Irish’s deal with the ACC, they’re unable to join any other conference until the contract expires 2036. Of course, there are always work-arounds if Notre Dame wanted to join another league. It’s plausible, I suppose, that Notre Dame could buy its way out of its current contract with the ACC but, as we all know, that could be very expensive.
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Re: Notre Dame is under contract with the ACC through 2036
Jul 12, 2022, 3:47 PM
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BigCU, you forget that ND is not part of the GOR for football so they could write a check today for the rights to other sports are.
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Agreed, but...
Jul 13, 2022, 8:10 AM
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I think they would be subject to the $50 million exit fee.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 3:16 PM
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I say that whoever is afraid that Clemson may get left behind, stop it. There is no way the SEC will allow a FB that has built it's self to be the power that we are in FB, and usually pretty tough in other sports. They would ask one of their losers to leave before they left Clemson to Rot on the vine!!!
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"and usually pretty tough in other sports." . . . . not
Jul 12, 2022, 3:32 PM
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including basketball is implied here, correct ? Thought so.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 3:29 PM
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A few things...
B1G will not allow ND to do what the ACC has (join as a partial). ND is in the catbird's seat right now....but it won't last forever. There may come a time where they missed the peak. Sure, they'll still get a sweet-heart deal and will improve their situation, but they may be forced to do it as opposed to choosing to do it on their own volition (like today).
CLEM is not getting left behind.
The SEC or B1G CANNOT control the playoff (that's what they want), plus all the other things, without growing larger and adding the schools that matter. Outside of ND, CLEM is one of those schools.
The SEC is smart about saying we are staying pat...puts the onus on the B1G for breaking up the current system.
We may be at a pause, but the only thing stopping this from becoming a two-tier system and then eventually a one-tier system is ND at this time. I still think we get there if ND never gets off the pot. Listen to Dabo.....he has told you the future about where CFB is going. The $$$ made by the schools in a two-tier and eventually a one-tier system dwarfs the $$$ figures we see today.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 3:44 PM
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Now that guess on Notre Dame makes sense.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 13, 2022, 8:20 AM
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The guess on Notre Dame is a non-starter. I live in OSU territory, you VASTLY underestimate the ego of B1G schools. They will never give a “preferential” deal to Notre Dame. Join as an equal or don’t join, these are the ONLY options for Notre Dame. And, BTW, the B1G does have leverage. They could stop scheduling Notre Dame in all sports. That would matter.
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Re: Heard a report this morning that the SEC may not be
Jul 12, 2022, 5:45 PM
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And if you look for anything tomorrow about expansions, you will find something that is totally different than what you read this morning, and it will be something different on Thursday, and everyday until somebody actually does something!!!
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I don't believe the B1G is through expanding; rather,
Jul 13, 2022, 5:35 AM
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I expect them to move aggressively to at least 20 members, if not 24.
I think they view the SEC as the bear in the woods, ready to pounce and bully its way into control of collegiate athletics, via football dominance. My thinking is that they suspect there are secret negotiations occurring right now between the SEC and several potent schools, including Clemson, FSU, and perhaps, OSU, Miami, UNC and UVA.
The only reason the B1G hasn't already announced additions has been their wait-and-see stance with ND. If ND signs on, then, they will seek at least three more programs. Oregon, Washington and OSU or perhaps, ACC schools.
Therefore, these reports about the SEC standing pat are IMO, smoke and mirrors, for I think they are thinking my same thoughts about B1G expansion.
Then again, I could just be full of s...! lol
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Re: I don't believe the B1G is through expanding; rather,
Jul 13, 2022, 11:31 AM
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I tend to believe most media reports that 1) ND is happy staying independent and 2) both the SEC and B1G are happy staying at 16 teams.
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Re: You have it backwards. Clemson and FSU don't want to
Jul 13, 2022, 11:34 AM
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leave for another 5 years due to some of the financial aspects of the GOR. So while we may make an "announcement" we're leaving, it won't be effective until then for financial reasons.
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