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Orange Blooded [4820]
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The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:25 PM
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You know who you are…
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crow from last week should be ashamed
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:27 PM
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You are correct.
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it's amazing how stupid fans are...***
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Re: Soooo..... Constant Fumbling Is Not A Problem??? ---
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:40 PM
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I don't care who has the ball....if you are experiencing a fumble bug...you are a liability.
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Re: Soooo..... Constant Fumbling Is Not A Problem??? ---
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Did he fumble today? I missed that…
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Re: Soooo..... Constant Fumbling Is Not A Problem??? ---
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:42 PM
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No, but he has at critical moments in other games.
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Orange Blooded [2030]
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Give it a break dude.
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:44 PM
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If you ever played sports then you know watching from the sidelines for a bit helps you refocus. No one is questioning what Shipley means and brings, but he needed a ‘reset’ and he getting it done so far.
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Re: Soooo..... Constant Fumbling Is Not A Problem??? ---
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Bro you act like Mafah hasn’t had fumbles some of which are more critical than Shipley.. think Gamecocks last year 🤡call it the same for both players or don’t say anything
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Re: Soooo..... Constant Fumbling Is Not A Problem??? ---
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Nov 11, 2023, 3:54 PM
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That ball in Miami got kicked out. That was some super bad luck. Anybody would have lost the ball there. Besides your other choice is Mafah who fumbled twice at Duke and in the last 2 min against ND and had a backbreaking fumble against SC last year that probably cost us that game. We have no Back without sin.
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You know he got the only touches after we sat two useless
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:46 PM
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Starter linemen who were acting like turnstiles, right?
Take a breath and watch Phil run behind those same guys in the 2nd. In the first half, when both were running behind the starters, Phil was the more effective.
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Re: You know he got the only touches after we sat two useless
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:48 PM
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They are both effective and give max effort but you just want to be right about your $hit opinion so you won't admit it.
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Re: You know he got the only touches after we sat two useless
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:53 PM
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The first and most important rule of the internet is never admit you’re wrong and double down if there is any appearance you might have been.
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That, and be a passive aggressive little bi#ch who
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Can’t effectively argue their position and has an avatar bashing a veteran on veteran’s day. You have your purple thong on today?
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Re: That, and be a passive aggressive little bi#ch who
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:18 PM
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Passive aggressive? I don’t really try to hide my contempt. And what topics would you like to debate that you don’t think I can support. And my apologies to Brad Pitt. Didn’t realize he was a veteran.
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Thats funny. You have "contempt" for someone you dont
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:22 PM
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Even know. Believe me, I don’t think about you. You can start by pointing out any factual inaccuracies in any post in this thread of mine that you TD’d without comment, because they got you so emotionally worked up. Do you think I was wrong anywhere there or was it just a contempt TD?
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Re: Thats funny. You have "contempt" for someone you dont
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:28 PM
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I don’t consider hitting the TD button an emotional act. And it’s certainly not passive aggressive now that my username is clearly visibly when I do it. When I say “contempt” I mean for the comments I reply to negatively. A significant portion of the negative posters on here just have emotional control issues and can’t seem to control themselves in game. Many offer apologies and promise reflection after the fact then go right back down the rabbit hole the very next game. Best wishes.
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it's neck and neck between Obed and Jester Keller as to who is more contemptible***
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:41 PM
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Re: it's neck and neck between Obed and Jester Keller as to who is more contemptible***
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:44 PM
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I don’t agree. I’m actually quite reassured after these exchanges with Obed®that two people in TNet can express their differing opinions strongly and perhaps unnecessarily make it personal but reign it in and have a reasonable exchange.
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I would quote Chapter and Verse from the Bible
Nov 11, 2023, 2:52 PM
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but some dumb-azz has already done that.
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Have a blessed day!***
Nov 11, 2023, 2:53 PM
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Your point was a strawman
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:56 PM
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No one is saying he was the “problem”. Knowledgable people are saying that Mafah is the better pure RB for tough yards, and that using them interchangeably the way we were is not maximizing either of them. They both have strengths and weaknesses, and simply using them identically with a 3:1 ship to phil carry ratio is just not good personnel management.
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This!***
Nov 11, 2023, 2:05 PM
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Re: Your point was a strawman
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:12 PM
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NO, there was a full page of posts last week saying that ship was the problem with our offense all year. Those folks should be ashamed…
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Re: Your point was a strawman
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:23 PM
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I’m not going to pretend to have read all your posts but that is certainly the most artfully I’ve read you make the complaint. Which also neglects that early in the season your preferred back was the significantly worse in pass coverage and whiffed in some crucial circumstances. They both had significant liabilities early this season but one made a much easier read for the defense. They both seem to be shaking off whatever was wrong at this point in the season.
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Mafah has had better PFF grades in every game and
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:32 PM
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The gap has widened as the season has gone on. That includes pass protection (I’m assuming you didn’t mean coverage). You guys can harp on that one single play all you want and maybe it was a whiff or maybe it was QB and RB on separate pages, but either way, it’s a single play.
People have literally gotten viscerally angry when it was suggested that Mafaah might be the better feature back with Ship still getting plenty of touches that catered to his strengths, but no one would ever say why other than because before this season Ship was better than Mafah (I don’t really disagree with that either, but it’s not how current season football talent evaluations and decisions are performed).
So all I’ve asked is that with almost all meaningful metrics, and PFF grades (which are as nitty-gritty and thorough as it gets) on my side, explain where I’m wrong. No one has really offered anything but “contempt” in response.
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Re: Mafah has had better PFF grades in every game and
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:35 PM
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I put very little into PFF stats, how do they grade a play without knowing how that play is coached?
I don't think people are arguing that Mafah deserves more touches but there are far too many people acting like Shipley is an FCS level rb which is just dumb.
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Fair enough and glad to discuss it respectfully later.
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:36 PM
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Gonna give full attention back to the game now.
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Re: Mafah has had better PFF grades in every game and
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:39 PM
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I don’t disagree with a much here. I’ve mostly seen you employ snark about the topic. Perhaps you’ve explained yourself to a point of exhaustion and just I’ve just seen you being snarky. I can certainly relate when it comes to try to dissect our basketball situation. I do think Mafah missed some assignments other than the big one. I certainly would have agreed at any point that he is the better between the tackles back and have shared frustration watching Shipley used in that role repeatedly. But, at every level of football, I watch coaches (including the very best) do things that I view as counter intuitive. They have their reasons.
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Re: Your point was a strawman
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:26 PM
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Nah brother there was a slew of people on here and X saying Shipley need to go. That's ludicrous the kid has straight up win games for Clemson. The same argument youre making for Mafah can be made for Shipley this year. Shipley was ultra effective last year and his freshman year and the big change was losing parks and McFadden as well as a blocking philosophy change. Idk why yall can't just say we have 2 stud rbs and leave it at that.
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For better or worse an honest evaluation says that we
Nov 11, 2023, 2:34 PM
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Have zero stud backs, and two or three above average backs that can still give great production. The beauty is that they have different skill sets, which so far this season we have basically ignored and not used to our advantage.
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Re: For better or worse an honest evaluation says that we
Nov 11, 2023, 2:37 PM
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I think they are studs but I will admit there is no break away speed we were spoiled with Etienne. Gillman wasn't a burner but he won alot of games at Clemson and took over several.
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Maybe 4 or 5 very good RB. I like Adams a lot. Haynes TBD
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Studs is subjective. If we define stud as a potential NFL draft pick, Mafah and Shiple, and likely our top 4 backs aren't likely to be drafted. Haynes again is TBD.
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Re: Your point was a strawman
Nov 11, 2023, 6:37 PM
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The problem is that when your forte is getting the tough yards inside, and your line can't block for crap, that negates your strength, hence the aforementioned ratio.
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Except he had almost 100 yards today running almost exclusively
Nov 11, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Up the middle, and the ND game dispels that hypothesis too.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:47 PM
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They will just quiet down until some miniscule opportunity arises. They don't $hit about football.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 1:49 PM
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Agree. The fact they try and blame him for his fumble on the one yd yard line against Miami and other short yardage blunders are ridiculous
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No shame, the new OL players are helping him big!***
Nov 11, 2023, 1:50 PM
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Re: No shame, the new OL players are helping him big!***
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Nov 11, 2023, 1:54 PM
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Absolutely, it’s like he’s a new man
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Give them grief! Yes They should be. Wait what are we talking
Nov 11, 2023, 2:09 PM
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about again? All good in the hood when we are winning baby. Whoop whoop!
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90% of your posts are negative and about other fans.
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Nov 11, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Grow up.
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Re: 90% of your posts are negative and about other fans.
Nov 11, 2023, 2:40 PM
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I blame it on his H.S.coaches. He’s obviously the best back we have.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Not the problem, just not the starter! I think most were saying that. Don't be the news media and mis quote US! Mafah is RB#1 not even a question.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 2:52 PM
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I don’t get it. We have a great 1-2 punch at RB. Shipley has explosiveness in open field and is the better receiver. Mahfa has vision and patience and power. Why does any Clemson fan not see this is a great “problem” to have? I don’t get it. Both have had ups and downs all season.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 3:10 PM
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No argument from me. I love both backs.
You must not have seen the page of posts during the ND game about Shipley being a cancer to the team. It was really shameful.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 2:59 PM
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
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Nov 11, 2023, 3:00 PM
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Yeah he is beast. I like seeing more in the passing game as well.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 4:33 PM
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Yea some ppl are pretty dumb … I def think the Carries should have been more balanced bc you can see how much of a load Phil is and is hard to tackle … but there’s no denying ship can make big plays and is a weapon.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 4:38 PM
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I never said Ship was the problem before last week or this week, but I did say if Ship started stutter stepping and running up backs of OL, then I wanted to see more Mafah. Ship had a chip today, I think he knew he was being questioned or challenged by many. Happy he looked good today, probably hardest running all year actually.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 11, 2023, 6:31 PM
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He was able to come back and play after the hard hit he took too. No mention on him being injured post game report.
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Re: The Shipley is the problem crew from last week should be ashamed
Nov 12, 2023, 7:09 AM
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Ship needs to keep his head up on the between the tackles runs. He is quick to lower his head and try to bull through the hole which often results into just running into his own guard or tackle. The kid does a ton of things well but Mafah keeps his head up and often finds cutback lanes on those same plays.
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