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How many witnesses do you need?
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How many witnesses do you need?

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Feb 14, 2024, 3:25 PM
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The dead in Christ rise first...that's a resurrection. There are 4 witnesses, including Paul, who confirm that there is only 2 total resurrections and 1 resurrection of the righteous. And John tells us that this one resurrection of the righteous includes tribulation martyrs, which means nobody in Christ is raising up before the tribulation. Without a 3rd resurrection being made up & forced into the Text, pre trib is totally unworkable and collapses. Do not be deceived by anyone about this.

Daniel 12:2
King James Version
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel says only 2 total.

John 5:28-29
King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jesus says only 2 total.

Acts 24:15
King James Version
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Paul tells a gentile Roman governor there's only 2 total and only 1 of the just and he does so AFTER he wrote Thessalonians & Corinthians. Which means there is no secret 3rd resurrection as part of the "mystery" that he was given to take to the gentiles. Unless of course you're prepared to espouse the idea that Paul "forgot" to mention that 3rd resurrection here in Acts 24, and subsequently blew a golden witnessing opportunity while speaking to this gentile Roman governor??

Revelation 20:4-6
King James Version
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

John confirms only 2 total and only 1 for the righteous and it includes tribulation martyrs, which means nobody in Christ is raising up before the tribulation. You cannot come to a pre trib rapture without violating the commands in Revelation 22:18-19. Pre trib ADDS a non existent 3rd resurrection to the Text while simultaneously TAKING AWAY Matthew 24, Mark 13, & 19 chapters of Revelation from the church.

Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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For something like a resurrection?

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Feb 14, 2024, 6:10 PM
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I'm gonna need to see it myself.

You guys, who haven't seen one, say with 100% conviction that it happened. So, someone claiming they saw it thousands of years ago doesn't hold much water when I have crystal clear evidence that people will say it happened without having any access to the event itself.

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Re: For something like a resurrection?

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Feb 14, 2024, 6:35 PM
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My brother is insistent that he caught a record 40lb bass…his wife and my nephews confirm seeing it before it got away, just after they weighed it.

I’m still skeptical

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