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Orange Blooded [4021]
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F-35's to Ukraine
Mar 31, 2024, 6:56 PM
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Should we give them a couple and see how it performs?
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Are you that stupid?***
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Mar 31, 2024, 6:57 PM
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Re: Are you that stupid?***
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:01 PM
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they would sell one to russia and one to china lol
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If you dont know, then I know youre stupid..,***
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Re: If you dont know, then I know youre stupid..,***
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:54 PM
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You don't know.
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Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:57 PM
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To non-allies. Ukraine is not an Ally such as Germany…
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
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Mar 31, 2024, 8:08 PM
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Define what is considered an Allie and a non-allie.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
Apr 1, 2024, 8:43 AM
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We currently sell the F-35. We do not sell the B-2. Try again.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
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Apr 1, 2024, 9:24 AM
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That was point. As usual, flew right over your head.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
Apr 1, 2024, 9:26 AM
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Your point makes 0 sense. The B-2 is not for sale. The F-35 is. Try again.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
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Apr 1, 2024, 9:31 AM
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You have to go above Checkers level for it to make sense.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
Apr 1, 2024, 9:37 AM
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Explain your point. We know you won't cause you can't.
#Pwned
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
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Apr 1, 2024, 9:50 AM
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You're the only one that didn't get it.
There's a reason that F-35 is limited, just as there is a reason we haven't shared any B-2 technology. If we're going to reduce F-35 (which it looks like we have), then why not just sell them some B-2s while we're at it.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
Apr 1, 2024, 10:02 AM
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We don't sell the F-22 either. Unlike the B2/F22, the F35 was designed to be an aircraft that was sold internationally and used around the world. While it does incorporate top technology, it does not use all of our best stuff.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
Apr 5, 2024, 12:15 AM
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About 70% of weapons that are given to Ukraine end up on the black market.
CBS News did the investigative work in late 2022 or early 2023; our federal govt told CBS to kill the story.
This is why giving anything to Ukraine is foolish.
Our Ukraine policy should be to get a negotiated peace with Russia that limits Ukraine’s territorial loss to nothing more than what has already been lost.
Ukraine doesn’t have the numbers of fighting age men to sustain the fight.
Maybe you should volunteer yourself, younger cousins, younger friends, etc to become ‘private contractors’ and fight for Ukraine. Time to put your own skin in the game.
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Re: Hey *######, you dont give your top technology
Apr 5, 2024, 12:03 PM
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So I'm assuming you don't have a link for that "70%" story?
Because sure, I'll totally take your word on it otherwise.
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That would never pass a Trump-Johnson House of Representatives.***
Mar 31, 2024, 7:01 PM
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:20 PM
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We need to go ahead and pass the next tranche of aid, and get Ukraine back on better than even footing in the war. They've proven they're willing to fight, and the only thing they've been missing lately is weapons and supplies. The US had better not pull the rug out from under them.
If a bill is put on the floor of the House, it will easily pass with massive Democratic support and likely majority Republican support. The only thing holding it back is a small group of idiots who are listening to a former President who loves Putin and hates Ukraine.
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
Mar 31, 2024, 7:22 PM
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the US always leaves
give us a plan to defeat russia and how much that would cost
throw in why many nato nations are still buying russian oil, funding russian agression
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Would you give us your plan for appeasement, Mr. Chamberlain?
Mar 31, 2024, 7:32 PM
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I think we now know Step 1.
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Re: Would you give us your plan for appeasement, Mr. Chamberlain?
Mar 31, 2024, 7:36 PM
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1. stop funding both sides
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Thank you for your input, Mr. Chamberlain?***
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Mar 31, 2024, 7:37 PM
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Re: Thank you for your input, Mr. Chamberlain?***
Mar 31, 2024, 7:39 PM
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you still have not given us a cost estimate on a ukraine win
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Re: Thank you for your input, Mr. Chamberlain?***
Mar 31, 2024, 7:58 PM
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Hard to calculate. It costs money to fund Ukraine. The economic windfall of arms sales could be massive as the world sees how they would be better off buying our stuff than Russuan crap. Not to mention that our resolve to stop Russian aggression may stave off an attempt of China invading Taiwan.
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Re: Thank you for your input, Mr. Chamberlain?***
Mar 31, 2024, 8:01 PM
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i think china is the key to restraining russia, stop buying chinese goods, nato to stop buying russian oil
a hundred billion didnt work
200 billion?
one trillion?
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Re: Thank you for your input, Mr. Chamberlain?***
Mar 31, 2024, 8:18 PM
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Post was laughable. Nice satire.
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Biden has much more strongly attacked China than Trump....
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Mar 31, 2024, 10:01 PM
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Biden's trade policies are hurting China's chip industry badly. Trump's trade "war" with China was a joke compared to what Biden is doing.
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Re: Thank you for your input, Mr. Chamberlain?***
Apr 1, 2024, 8:51 AM
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Nobody knows that answer. The fact that you keep asking that question is odd that you dont get that fact. You might as well be asking us what day the war will end. Its an irrational question.
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
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Mar 31, 2024, 10:00 PM
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No, the US doesn't always leave. We've been in Korea, Japan, and Germany for a very long time.
The cost is a minor blip in our budget.
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Not that simple, even if we wanted to
Apr 1, 2024, 8:49 AM
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Have to train the pilots, train the maintenance crews, provide spare parts and any specialized tooling, and a lot of logistics that goes with that.
In short, nope. Best they can hope for is some F-16s. I think A-10s would be really helpful for them. Pretty relatively simple stick-and-rudder planes. Mothball them or sell/donate them and put them to good use.
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Re: Not that simple, even if we wanted to
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Apr 1, 2024, 8:57 AM
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We currently sell the F35 to other countries, even non NATO ones. So yeah, it can be done. Would it not be good to see how it performs in combat?
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Didn't say it couldn't be done
Apr 1, 2024, 9:59 AM
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Just said that it's not as easy as sending a dozen or so planes there. Takes a long time to train a pilot on those planes - very complicated - and maybe even longer to train the maintenance crews on planes as complex as these.
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Re: Didn't say it couldn't be done
Apr 1, 2024, 6:46 PM
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Of course. But I'm sure if Non-Nato countries like Singapore can handle these, then so could Ukraine.
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
Apr 1, 2024, 9:10 AM
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Dude, this is a bad troll, right?
The F-35 is basically a plane wrapped around a supercomputer, stuffed with some of the most advanced avionics, sensors, electronic warfare, and stealth materials our defense industry has ever come up with. It is miles ahead of the competition. Even Chinese competition.
The absolute last thing you would ever, ever do is put one of those things potentially in harm's way where it could be shot down and recovered or worse, captured. You also don't want the F-35 lingering long in a combat theater where there's extensive aerial radars like the Beriev A-50 in use because over time the Russians would learn how to better track it.
For the most part we've given the Ukrainians our remanded seconds, stuff that was slated for decommission and replacement anyway.
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
Apr 1, 2024, 9:13 AM
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Then why do we sell it if we are worried about it potentially crashing or getting shot down?
I'm only talking about giving them a couple to test it out and see how it performs. Keep them over Ukrainian territory.
That's vital information for future sales/development.
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
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Apr 1, 2024, 9:14 AM
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It’s not a troll, she’s really that stupid.
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
Apr 1, 2024, 9:16 AM
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So are we not concerned about Israel getting an F35 shot down?
If conflict breaks out in Singapore, are we going to retrieve their F35's?
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Re: F-35's to Ukraine
Apr 1, 2024, 9:34 AM
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I say no. I don't think we need them to figure anything out. We do simulations here. No way would I give them one.
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No we shouldn't but....
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Apr 1, 2024, 3:37 PM
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we should absolutely be funding and supporting Ukraine with other weapons.
Those that think otherwise don't know their history....at all.
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It's not that simple
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Apr 1, 2024, 4:48 PM
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This jet is like no other. It takes 100s of hours of training to be able to use the F-35 like it is intended. Many pilots transitioning to the F-35 from a 4th gen fighter are like fish out of water for a long time, and some of them never quite figure it out and would be relegated to a wingman role if the chit hits the fan.
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Re: It's not that simple
Apr 1, 2024, 6:44 PM
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We should train them. No?
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Training Ukrainian pilots without a commitment to sell them the planes?
Apr 1, 2024, 8:04 PM
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I like it.
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Re: It's not that simple
Apr 4, 2024, 6:51 PM
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Sure, could definitely do that. Stuff like that is routine...one of the pilot schools is called ENJJPT - Euro Nato Joint Jet Pilot Training. My son went there and had instructors from the Netherlands and Germany, maybe other countries.
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